National Assembly · Afternoon Sitting

Hon. Members, as you may recall, the Constitution of Kenya (Amendment) Bill, 2025 (National Assembly Bill No.4 of 2025) , was read a First Time on Wednesday, 12th March 2025 and referred to the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs for consideration and reporting to the House. The Bill seeks to amend the Constitution of Kenya to entrench the National Government Constituencies Fund, t…

extended to all the counties and constituencies. This is to afford the majority of Kenyans an opportunity to express themselves on the Bill. With regard to the administrative arrangements to facilitate public participation, the House Business Committee and the National Assembly General Legislative Caucus also resolved that the countrywide public participation be undertaken from Monday, 5th May 20…

Hon. Members, you will recall that, during the morning sitting of yesterday, Wednesday, 16th April 2025, the House approved the appointment of the Hon. Geoffrey Kariuki Kiringa Ruku, Member of Parliament for Mbeere North Constituency, as the Cabinet Secretary for Public Service, Human Capital Development and Special Programmes. I have since received a letter from the Member, dated 16th April 2025…

Hon. Members, I wish to introduce to you a delegation from the County Assembly of Turkana, who are seated in the Speaker’s Gallery. The delegation comprises the following:

The Deputy Whip of the Majority Party, Hon. Waqo.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table:

Thank you, Hon. Naomi. Next is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Blue Economy, Water and Irrigation.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table: Reports of the Departmental Committee on Blue Economy, Water and Irrigation on its consideration of—

Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Health, Hon. (Dr) Nyikal. Is that Hon. Munene? Hon. Patrick Ntwiga (Chuka/Igambang'ombe, UDA) : Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table: Reports of the Departmental Committee on Health on—

Thank you, Hon. Munene. Chairperson of the Committee on Delegated Legislation.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table:

Next Order.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Departmental Committee on Blue Economy, Water and Irrigation on its consideration of the Agreement on Fisheries Subsidies, laid on the Table of the House on Thursday, 17th April 2025, and pursuant to the provisions of Section 8 (4) of the Treaty Making and Ratification Act, 2012, approves the Rat…

Chairperson of the Committee on Delegated Legislation.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Committee on Delegated Legislation on its consideration of the Prevention of Terrorism Regulations, 2024, laid on the Table of the House on Thursday, 17th April 2025, and pursuant to the provisions of Section 18 of the Statutory Instruments Act, Cap 2A annuls the Prevention of Terrorism Regulat…

[(Implementation of the United Nations Security Council Resolutions on the Suppression of Terrorism)]

[(Implementation of the United Nations Security Council Resolutions on the Suppression of Terrorism)]

[(Legal Notice No.187 of 2024)]

Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Committee on Delegated Legislation on its consideration of the Prevention of Terrorism (Amendments) Regulations, 2024, laid on the Table of the House on Thursday, 17th April 2025, and pursuant to the provisions of Section 18 of the Statutory Instruments Act, Cap 2A annuls the Prevention of Terr…

[(Implementation of the United Nations Security Council Resolutions on Prevention, Suppression and Disruption of Proliferation Financing)]

[(Implementation of the United Nations Security Council Resolutions on the Prevention, Suppression and Disruption of Proliferation Financing)]

[(Legal Notice No. 188 of 2024)]

Thank you. Hon. Bowen, I understand you are supposed to give two notices.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning on its consideration of the Sessional Paper No. 7 of 2024 on National Sanitation Management Policy, laid on the Table of the House on Thursday, 17th April 2025, and approves Sessional Paper No.7 of 2024 on the National Sanitation Management …

Next Order.

Hon. Members, we have several requests for Statements. We will start with Hon. Charles Onchoke. Is your microphone working?

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I wish to request for a Statement from the Departmental Committee on Housing, Urban Planning and Public Works regarding collapsed residential buildings in Bonchari Constituency, Kisii County. Hon. Speaker, incidents of buildings collapsing while under construction or occupancy have been on an alarming rise, resulting in multi…

Where is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Housing, Urban Planning and Public Works, Hon. Johana Ng’eno? Is he still the Chairperson of that Committee?

Yes.

Hon. Owen Baya, can you inform the Chairperson of Departmental Committee on Housing, Urban Planning and Public Works to bring a response to the request for Statement on the 1st day of resumption after recess?

I am much obliged, Hon. Speaker.

Next is Hon. Dorice Donya.

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security regarding the tragic death of Ms Sylvia Kemunto Ayaye and the escalating cases of gender-based violence in the country. The nation was recently shaken by the horrific killing of Ms Sylvia Kemunto Ayaye …

Hon. Tongoyo, when can you bring a response to this Statement? Can you give him the microphone?

Hon. Speaker, we will bring it within two weeks. I also want to report to the House that we are considering the number of Statements

already issued. We see it fit to ask the Cabinet Secretary for the Ministry of Interior and National Administration to appear before the Committee next week on 22nd or 24th. We need your indulgence on whether we can combine them, including that of Hon. Dorice, so that she can appear on the same day. We have quite a number of Statements. We wanted to lump them together and request the Cabinet Secre…

Is the Cabinet Secretary a lady?

Sorry.

You said she would appear before the Committee.

No, Hon. Speaker. He will appear before the Committee.

Okay. Notify the concerned Members through the Clerk of the National Assembly on the day of appearance so that they can be available. Hon. Zamzam.

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security regarding the death of Mr Yusuf Ali Abdi following the collapse of the demolished building in Mombasa. On 8th April 2025, the County Government of Mombasa announced plans to carry out controlled demolit…

Hon. Tongoyo.

Hon. Speaker, I have confirmed that the Cabinet Secretary will appear before the Committee on Tuesday, 22nd April 2025. We will lump all the requests for Statements together so that he can respond to all of them.

Hon. Mwashako.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker.

Hold on, Hon. Mwashako. Your request for a Statement in regard to the Director-General of Kenya Fisheries will be stayed for now. You will instead issue the Statement that I approved this afternoon on mining.

Yes, Hon. Speaker.

Go ahead.

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 43 (1) , I wish to make a General Statement regarding alleged commitment of Taita Taveta County mineral fields as collateral for a Government loan. I rise to address a matter of grave concern that has recently caused anxiety among the people of Taita Taveta County. The claims, which have been circulating on various social media platforms,…

Yes, Member for Mwatate. I am sorry. Member for Voi.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I also rise to support the Statement by Hon. Mwashako, the Member for Wundanyi. Minerals and other natural resources are the heritage of the people of Taita Taveta County. As such, we take great exception to any insinuations that those resources have been unlawfully utilised as collateral for some loan. I join my colleagues from Taita Taveta in reassuring our people that, …

Hon. Samwel Chepkonga sent me a message stating that he assigned the Member for Keiyo South to present his request for a Statement. Proceed, Hon. Kimaiyo.

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriations Committee on the total amount of money that has been spent in the provision of bursaries by county governors in the last five financial years, namely, financial years 2024/2025, 2023/2024, 2022/2023, 2021/2022, and 2020/2021. Hon. Speaker, as you are aware, the Fou…

Hon. Osoro.

Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. I support the Statement by Hon. Kimaiyo regarding the issues of bursary. It is what I would call unclear division of roles between different sectors of the Government.

This House has debated so much on what the national Government is supposed to do or needs to do. Any responsibility that pertains county governments should be left to the them. However, because of what the county governors are doing, it is about time we asked ourselves how we are going to handle this menace. The Council of Governors claims that the national Government has refused to relinquish par…

You have made your point. Next is Hon. Robert Mbui.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Almost every day, we see county governors on television complaining about delayed disbursement of money, or saying that the money given to them is not enough. Shockingly, the same governors go beyond the mandate assigned to them by the Constitution - mandates that the national Government should be undertaking. Since the promulgation of the Constitution of Kenya 2010, the c…

When did the Controller of Budget realise this problem? Why was it not sorted out a long time ago? Let the governors use the money they are given to perform their mandates. In the education sector, they have the Early Childhood Education (ECD). In many constituencies, ECD classrooms have been built using NG-CDF because most of them are dilapidated. Our polytechnics are in a state of despair. They …

Hon. Members, hold your horses. You will have opportunity to ventilate on the matter at Order No.9. Next is Hon. Suzzana Kiamba.

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (20) (c) , I rise to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Housing, Urban Planning and Public Works regarding implementation of the Affordable Housing Programme. Since the enactment of the Affordable Housing Act of 2024, the people of Kenya have dutifully contributed to the Housing Levy, which is…

Chairperson of Departmental Committee on Housing, Urban Planning and Public Works, when will you bring the Statement? Do we have any Member from the Committee in the House? Hon. Nzengu, are you a Member of the Committee? Take your seat. Leader of Majority Party, inform the Chairperson of the Committee to bring a response within the first two days of our resumption after recess. Next is Hon. Doubl…

Hon. Speaker, I rise to request for a Statement regarding accessibility of critical institutions by deaf persons. Hon. Speaker: Is it critical institutions or critical services in public institutions?

It is critical services in public institutions, Hon. Speaker. I rise pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Social Protection regarding accessibility of critical services in public institutions by deaf persons. Article 7 (3) (b) of the Constitution obligates the State to promote the development and …

Thank you. Is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Social Protection present? Is there any Member of the Committee? Hon. Tim Wanyonyi, can your Committee bring a response, or you want to joyride?

Hon. Speaker, I am a Member of the Committee.

Bring a response on the third day of our sitting after the recess.

May I also comment on the Statement request, Hon. Speaker?

Go ahead.

Hon. Speaker, the Persons with Disabilities Act has been in force since 2004, including the recent one we passed the other day. The UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities addresses all these issues. It is even entrenched in our Constitution that people with disabilities will be given their due rights. The biggest culprit is always the Government. We must now address this issue he…

become more litigant on this issue because some people are just reluctant to implement the law that is already in place. So, as we wait for that Statement, I will make sure that these issues are properly addressed and the law is enforced.

Thank you. Bring a response. Tell the Chairman as I have directed. Next is Hon. Josses Lelmengit, the Member for Emgwen Constituency

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure regarding the state of Section RW343 of Chepterit–Moi University Road. Section RW343 of the Chepterit Moi University Road is a crucial link road connecting Nandi and Uasin Gishu counties and promoting economic …

Thank you, Hon. Lelmengit. Is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure in the House? Member for Bureti, are you a Member of the Committee?

Yes, I am, Hon. Speaker. We will respond in the first week after we come back from the recess.

Thank you. Next is Hon. Dorice Donya.

Hon. Speaker, mine is supposed to be responded to.

Okay, yours is for response. Chairperson of Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure, do you have a response?

Hon. Speaker, on behalf of the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure, I wish to respond. On Thursday, 27th February the Member for Kisii County, Hon. Dorice Donya, requested for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure regarding the utilisation of the Fuel Levy Fund. In her Statement, she indicated that even…

performance audit programmes have been undertaken by the board from the year 2003 to date. The findings and recommendations were disseminated to the road agencies for action. The Ministry has provided copies of technical, financial, performance audit reports for KeNHA, KeRRA, KURA and the Kenya Wildlife Service (KWS) for financial years 2022/2023 and 2023/2024 to the Committee. This has also been …

Hon. Doris.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. The Member acting on behalf of the Chairperson has said that KRB remits monthly what they collect as Fuel Levy for repair of roads. He said that he gave me a whole list of roads I had asked about yet I have not received. They sent a list of roads which do not exist. I was told that they are doing

Nyaramba Road in Kisii, but this road is in Nyamira. The information you have sent me is not correct. Anyone who is listening even Hon. Irene Mayaka and Hon. Jerusha are wondering what you are talking about. Nyaramba Road is in Nyamira. Another thing is that the KRB collects Ksh25 per litre every time you fuel. This is not reflecting. If they do not understand what I am talking about, I can take …

[(Laughter)]

Hon. Komingoi, are you misleading Hon. Donya?

Hon. Speaker, Hon. Donya has not been misled. She has opted to be particular about a region on a matter that is national. The reality is that there are no enough funds to do all roads at the same time in the country. She is aware that there are pending bills of works that have been executed in the country. The Ksh25 she is claiming also includes Ksh7 that is allocated for securitisation and paying…

The Leader of the Majority Party, your Thursday Statement. Hon. Johanna Ngeno, you are behaving like a Minister we had in the 7th Parliament called Kamwithi Munyi, who would wait out there until all Questions concerning his Ministry are called out and then he walks into the chamber.

[(Laughter)]

briefed one of the most diligent Members of his Committee, Hon. Jane Kagiri. As you have said, the Chairperson has just walked in. So, I was briefing him.

Tell him not to behave like Kamwithi Munyi.

[(Laughter)]

You know, he is dressed in pinstriped suit just like Kamwithi Munyi. Allow me to go to the Thursday Statement.

I am sure, Hon. Farah has dealt with Kamwithi Munyi. Go on the Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (a) , I rise to give the following Statement on behalf of the House Business Committee which met on Tuesday, 15th April 2025 to prioritise business for consideration during the week. With regard to business scheduled for Tuesday next week, the House is expected to consider the following Bills at the Second Reading, if not concluded …

Thank you. Next Order.

Chairman, Budget and Appropriations Committee.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the County Governments Additional Allocations Bill (Senate Bill No.1 of 2025) , be now read a Second Time. Additional allocations to counties are provided for under Article 202 (2) of the Constitution, which stipulates that: “County governments may be given additional allocations from the national Government’s share of the revenue, either conditionally …

governors appeared before us and told us that, indeed, they have done procurement and they are waiting for the funds to be sent to them so that these services can be provided for. The other issue has to do with Universal Health Coverage (UHC). Every county has health promoters whose money is also provided for here. The national Government pays Ksh2,500 directly to health promoters and counties ar…

You cannot rise on a point of order before a Bill is seconded. Proceed to second.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I second. I would like to say that the County Governments Additional Allocations Bill is an important Bill. You may remember that in the old days, the National Treasury used to give counties money in form of conditional grants, but now Parliament has come up with the idea of County Governments Additional Allocations Bill. This is in line with the aspirations to enhance devo…

healthcare. There is no way a country will achieve meaningful development or change the livelihood of their people without implementing devolution. When devolution came, it was supposed to disperse both power and resources to the ground. There is an on-going debate in the country on whether enough resources and functions have been devolved to the counties and whether some functions are still held…

What is your point of order?

Hon. Temporary Speaker, we are a House of rules. The matter at hand is very weighty. Looking at the House, we do not have quorum. I therefore, rise on Standing Order 35 to request that you check whether we have quorum. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Order, Hon. Members. Order, Hon. Junet. I do not know how low you got this Parliament to. When a Member rises on a point of order and raises the issue of quorum, I have to ask the Serjeant-at-Arms to check whether there is quorum or not. The rules are very simple. Please, let us follow the rules. We do not have quorum. Ring the Quorum Bell. I proposed the Question and the Bill is open for debat…

[(Hon. Junet Mohamed spoke off the record)]

[(The Temporary Speaker consulted with the Serjeant-at-Arms)]

[(The Quorum Bell was rung)]

[(Hon. Junet Mohamed spoke off the record)]

[(The Quorum Bell continued ringing)]