National Assembly · Afternoon Sitting
Thursday, 23 November 2023
Hon. Ndindi Nyoro moved a motion to consider Senate amendments to the County Governments Additional Allocations Bill, explaining that the Senate’s changes would double‑allocate funds for library services and introduce conditional grants that bypass ministries, which the Budget and Appropriations Committee rejected. He praised governors, the Senate, and the President while urging mediation to resolve the funding discrepancies. Members discussed the Central Bank of Kenya overdraft limits and the Treasury’s persistent overdraft balances, highlighting cash‑flow challenges. The debate focused on public debt management, urging a shift to concessional financing, fiscal consolidation, and timely quarterly reporting under the PFM Act. While praising the Public Debt and Privatization Committee’s work, MPs expressed concern over high domestic interest rates and the growing budget deficit. The debate centred on the Public Debt and Profitability Committee report. Hon. Aden Mohammed urged the next report to address inter‑generational and geographical equity of loans and to scrutinise guarantees for semi‑autonomous agencies, while Hon. Amina Mnyazi warned of the mounting debt burden, lack of transparency and corruption, calling for audits, clearer repayment strategies and alternative revenue sources. Both speakers pressed for greater accountability and safeguards for future generations.
You may proceed.
Before we go to the next Order, allow me to recognise our guests who have arrived. Hon. Members, I wish to introduce to you a delegation of Members of the Parliamentary Committee on Public Accounts from the Parliament of Uganda, who are seated in the Speaker’s Gallery. The delegation comprises the following:
[(Commissions, Statutory Authorities and State Enterprises)]
Hon. Kuria Kimani, Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning.
Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning on its consideration of Sessional Paper No.2 of 2023 on the National Tax Policy, laid on the Table of the House on Thursday, 23rd November 2023, and approves Sessional Paper No.2 of 2023 on the National Tax Policy as recommended in the Repor…
Next Order.
Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Social Protection, Hon. Alice Ng’ang’a.
Hon. Deputy Speaker, I rise pursuant to Standing Order 44 (2) (b) to give a Statement on behalf of the Departmental Committee on Social Protection regarding the upcoming Kenya Innovation Week 2023 – Commonwealth Edition and the 6th Edition of the YouthConnekt Africa Summit 2023, which will take place from 27th November to 1st December 2023 and 8th to 12th December 2023, respectively, in Nairobi. …
It will be noted that the concluding date of the YouthConnekt Africa Summit coincides with the historic 2023 Jamhuri Day celebrations marking 60 years of Independence (Kenya@60). This is a deliberate and intentional coincidence designed to display Kenya's 60th Independence anniversary, a symbolic ignition of Africa’s liberation from colonial borders that restrict free movement of people, goods, an…
Member for Kilifi South, Hon. Ken Chonga. Do you have a Statement?
Hon. Deputy Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I wish to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs regarding the illegal eviction and unauthorised demolition of property of residents of Half London Place on Plot No.151/111/MN in Mtepeni Ward of Kilifi South Constituency. On 27th October 2023 ar…
The request will be referred to the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs. Next request for Statement is by the Member for Lari, Hon. Mburu Kahangara.
Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I know Hon. Bowen Kangogo’s son was sitting for his KCPE and he has done extremely well. Congratulations to the young Kangogo for the exemplary performance in his KCPE. That is
why you see Hon. Kangogo is very keen to contribute to that. But just for the record, let me also take this opportunity to congratulate Angela Wamuyu Kimani, who was also sitting for her KCPE. She has done exceptionally well.
[(Applause)]
Hon. Deputy Speaker, Hon. Kangogo and Hon. Sunkuyia are being very bad examples to younger Members. They have been here long enough to know that these microphones pick up everything they converse in vernacular behind the person speaking. It is only fair that when someone is up on his feet speaking, those around them desist from conversing in vernacular because Kenyans do not understand your vernac…
[(Laughter)]
Are you done with all your Statements? Nothing else?
Yes.
Okay. Let us move to the next Order.
Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriations Committee, Hon. Ndindi Nyoro.
Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I rise to move the Report on the amendments by the Senate on the County Government Additional Allocations Bill (National Assembly Bill No.23 of 2023) . Around June, we came to this House and passed this Bill, and as it should be, it proceeded to the Senate. What happens in the process of this kind of a Bill is that if the Senate amends even a comma on the…
Hon. Chairman, just move it as it is, then you can proceed to justify. I know you always do it the other way round.
Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker, for the guidance. Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, the Senate amendments to the County Governments Additional Allocations Bill (National Assembly Bill No.23 of 2023) be now considered.
Asante. Now you can proceed to justify.
Hon. Deputy Speaker, in June this year, we came before this House as the Budget and Appropriations Committee and this House passed the County Governments Additional Allocations Bill (National Assembly Bill No.23 of 2023) then. How it should be is that once we consider and pass such kind of a Bill and it proceeds to the Senate, then the Senate should consider it, and if there are any amendments to …
We want to revert to what this House passed and that is why we recommended the rejection of the amended version of the Bill. We have already appropriated money for this financial year. When the Senate returns the Bill for us to fund extra money to a tune of Ksh424 million, this money is not provided in the budget. We will be contravening the same Appropriations Bill that we already passed in this …
Give Hon. Emaase the microphone. There she is.
Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I second the Motion. At the outset, I want to say that the County Governments Additional Allocations Bill, (National Assembly Bill, No.23 of 2023) , is normally a very straightforward Bill. It is just meant to provide for additional allocation to the county government either from the national Government as conditional grant for devolved functions or unconditional a…
case, it is to provide county governments with additional funds collected from court fines, mineral loyalties, conditional allocations from loans, and grants from our partners. As has already been explained by the Chair, I want to say that even as we prepare to go to mediation, I know those who will find themselves in that team will prosecute this matter with the urgency it deserves so that county…
I note that it is the mood of the House that I put the question. Next order.
[(Question put and agreed to)]
Conditional Allocations from proceeds of loans or grants from Development Partners for Financial Year 2023/24 (Figures in Kenya Shillings) S/ N /23 FY
Conditional Allocations from proceeds of loans or grants from Development Partners for Financial Year 2023/24 (Figures in Kenya Shillings) S/ N /23 FY
Conditional Allocations from proceeds of loans or grants from Development Partners for Financial Year 2023/24 (Figures in Kenya Shillings) S/ N /23 FY
Conditional Allocations from proceeds of loans or grants from Development Partners for Financial Year 2023/24 (Figures in Kenya Shillings) S/ N /23 FY
Conditional Allocations from proceeds of loans or grants from Development Partners for Financial Year 2023/24 (Figures in Kenya Shillings) S/ N /23 FY
Conditional Allocations from proceeds of loans or grants from Development Partners for Financial Year 2023/24 (Figures in Kenya Shillings) S/ N /23 FY
County Government Additional Allocations Act, 2023. The Counties to be allocated the Ksh.1.2 billion include; Trans-Nzoia, Uasin-Gishu, Elgeyo-Marakwet, Nandi, Kericho, Bomet, Kakamega, Vihiga, Bungoma, Busia, Siaya, Kisumu, Homa Bay, Migori, Kisii and Nyamira. (Question of the amendment proposed) (Question, that the words to be left out be left out, put and negatived) (Senate amendment to the Th…
Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I beg to move that the Committee do Report to the House its consideration of Senate amendments to the County Governments Additional Allocations Bill (National Assembly Bill No.23 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments.
The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’): Okay, thank you.
Order, Hon. Members. Hon. Chairperson.
Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the Senate amendments to the County Governments Additional Allocations Bill (National Assembly Bill No.23 of 2023) and approved the same with amendments.
Mover.
Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I also request the Member for Gilgil, Hon. Martha Wangari, to second the Motion for agreement with the report of the Committee of the whole House.
Hon. Martha.
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I second.
[(Question proposed)]
Put the Question.
Is it the mood of the House that I put the Question?
Yes. (Senate amendments approved with amendments)
[(Question put and agreed to)]
Hon. Members, before I call out the next Order, may I inform the House that the effect of what you have done is that the Bill is now committed to mediation. The substantive Speaker will name the mediation committee to deal with the matter. Let me also inform the House that this is the ordinary and normal business of the House. It gives a chance to Senators and Members of this House who will be nom…
to that committee to have a session, mediate and agree on a way forward, which both Houses will then adopt. Next Order.
The Chairman of the Public Debt and Privatisation Committee. Will you move the Motion?
Yes.
Proceed. Leader of the Majority Party, approach the Clerks-at-the-Table.
Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Public Debt and Privatisation
Hon. Members, the time being 7.00