National Assembly · Afternoon Sitting

Thursday, 25 July 2024

Session Summary

Members debated an amendment to the General Administration budget, focusing on the proposed allocation of an oversight fund to the Senate. Several MPs criticised the fund as wasteful, calling for its removal and even suggesting the abolition of the Senate, while others defended the NG‑CDF and broader budgetary considerations. The Temporary Chairlady directed the discussion and sought a way forward from the Budget and Appropriations Committee. The National Assembly’s Committee of the Whole House debated the President’s reservations on the Finance Bill, moving to delete a large number of clauses from the Income Tax Act and the VAT Act. Members raised procedural concerns about quorum and expressed frustration that the deletions eliminated provisions intended to benefit small‑scale farmers, traders and micro‑enterprises, while also supporting the majority’s push to align with the President’s recommendations. Members urged the Speaker to convey to the President that the Finance Bill should be withdrawn, lamenting the loss of tax‑amnesty benefits for small‑scale farmers and businesses. They criticised the House’s poor communication with the public and debated the constitutional procedure when a bill is rejected by the President, including whether to return a blank or deleted document. The discussion also included a call for greater parliamentary transparency through public gallery visits.

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Hon. Speaker

Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. Hon. Members, we now have a quorum to proceed. Clerk-at-the-Table.

[(The Quorum Bell was rung)]

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Hon. Speaker

Leader of the Majority Party.

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Hon. Samwel Chepkonga (Ainabkoi, UDA)

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. On behalf of the Leader of the Majority Party, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table: Reports of the Auditor-General and Financial Statements of the National Government Constituencies Development Fund for the year ended 30th June 2023, and the Certificates therein in respect of the following constituencies:

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Hon. Speaker

Thank you. The Chairperson of the Public Investments Committee on Governance and Education.

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Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU)

Hon. Speaker, we will table it in one minute.

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Hon. Speaker

If it is in one minute, then it is already over. Is it your Committee? Who is your Chairman? Hon. Wamboka? Are you ready? As Hon. Naisula gets herself organised, let us proceed to the Departmental Committee on Sports and Culture. Chairperson.

[(Hon. Naisula Lesuuda spoke off the record)]

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Hon. Caroli Omondi (Suba South, ODM)

I am here, Sir.

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Hon. Speaker

Yes, Hon. Caroli.

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Hon. Caroli Omondi (Suba South, ODM)

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I am holding brief for the Chair and the Vice-Chairperson who are not in the House. I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table: Report of the Departmental Committee on Sports and Culture on its Consideration of the Kenya National Library Service Bill (National Assembly Bill No.20 of 2023) .

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Hon. Speaker

Thank you. Back to the Public Investments Committee on Governance and Education.

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Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU)

Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table: Report of the Public Investments Committee on Governance and Education on its examination of reports of the Auditor-General on the financial statements of State corporations (Nyanza Region) for the financial years 2018/2019, 2019/2020 and 2020/2021. Thank you.

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Hon. Speaker

Thank you. Next Order.

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Hon. Speaker

Chairperson of the Public Investments Committee on Governance and Education.

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Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU)

Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Public Investments Committee on Governance and Education on its examination of the reports of the Auditor-General on the financial statements of State corporations (Nyanza Region) for the financial years 2018/2019, 2019/2020 and 2020/2021, laid on the Table of the House on Thursday, 25th July 202…

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Hon. Speaker

Thank you. Next Order.

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Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU)

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Education and Research regarding the application of the New Higher Education Funding Model. On 3rd May 2023, His Excellency the President launched the New Higher Education Funding Model, intended to ensure equitable access to higher educat…

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Hon. Speaker

Thank you, Hon. Naisula. Hon. Kiragu, Member for Limuru.

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Hon. (Eng.) John Kiragu (Limuru, UDA)

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request for a statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry and Mining regarding the spillage of a highly poisonous substance in Kambembe area of Rironi Town, Limuru Constituency. On 20th July 2024, a lorry ferrying 22 tonnes of sodium cyanide overturned in Kambembe area in Ri…

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Hon. Speaker

Thank you, Hon. Kiragu. Hon. Melly, on the request for Statement by Hon. Naisula, bring a response in two weeks.

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Hon. Julius Melly (Tinderet, UDA)

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. That is a very pertinent question. As the Departmental Committee on Education, we are seized of the matter. The Principal Secretary, the CEO of the Universities Funding Board (UFB) and the CEO of the Higher Education Loans Board (HELB) will appear before the Committee on Thursday. I had organised a big session and I invite the Member to appear.

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Hon. Speaker

Thursday next week?

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Hon. Julius Melly (Tinderet, UDA)

Yes, Thursday next week.

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Hon. Speaker

Hon. Naisula, can you prosecute your Statement before the Committee on Thursday next week? It is unlikely that she will be available.

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Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU)

Hon. Speaker, I will be sitting in the Committee on Appointments. I believe Members can discuss the matter and issue a Statement.

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Hon. Speaker

He will bring a Statement to the House in two weeks’ time.

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Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU)

Thank you.

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Hon. Speaker

Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry and Mining. Leader of the Majority Party, who is the Chairman? Give Hon. Ngogoyo the microphone.

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Hon. Onesmus Ngogoyo (Kajiado North, UDA)

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I have been holding brief for my Chairman since morning in the Committee. We will deliver the response in three weeks, Hon. Chairman.

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Hon. Speaker

In this House, we do not have a Chair, we have the Speaker.

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Hon. Onesmus Ngogoyo (Kajiado North, UDA)

I am well guided, Hon. Speaker.

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Hon. Speaker

Two weeks, Hon. Kiragu. Next Order. Leader of the Majority Party Leader, give your Thursday Statement.

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Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. This is the usual Thursday Statement on behalf of the House Business Committee (HBC) , pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (a) . The HBC met on Tuesday, 23rd July 2024 to prioritise business for consideration during the week. Allow me to welcome Members back to the House after the just- concluded short recess. This part of the Third Session promises to be b…

[(Members cheered on Hon. Opiyo Wandayi as he walked into the Chamber)]

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Hon. Speaker

Order. Go on, Leader of the Majority Party.

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Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I was wondering why the House was cheering the Leader of the Minority Party as he walked in. He is also a Member of the House Business Committee. As I was saying, I urge Members to rise to the occasion when the business is presented before the House and remain diligent in its consideration. With regard to the business for Tuesday next week, the House is expected to consid…

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Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)

Like the President has indicated that he has reviewed his Cabinet, chairs of committees who are never available in the House, especially during the Committee of Supply, are served notice. I hear some Members saying that those are threats. I am only informing the chairs of committees that budget-making is one of their principal duties. Those who chair departmental committees must be available in th…

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Hon. Speaker

Thank you, Leader of the Majority Party. Next order.

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Hon. Speaker

Order, Hon. Members. As we go to Order No.8, we are calling the Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriations Committee to reply.

[(Loud consultations)]

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

Hon. Speaker, as I reply, I thank all Members of this House. We have been in a very tumultuous moment for the last four weeks. I thank all the Members for giving so much time in this process. Departmental committees have been burning the midnight oil in regard to the revision of the Budget. I am glad we have a document that represents what Kenya wants to achieve within a very limited fiscal space.

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

The essence of this process of revising the Budget was necessitated by the fact that we had already passed the Appropriations Bill with the hope that we were going to fund the Budget. Unfortunately, it was not possible given what we all know. Kenyans told us to look inwards and see what we can do within the limits of revenue-raising measures that were already in place in

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

many areas. We have also done two very critical things. One, the Government of Kenya had a programme of purchasing coolers from Poland. We were to raise 5 per cent of the money and get financing from Poland for an additional 95 per cent. However, out of the bottlenecks we have encountered in accessing this financing, we have allocated Ksh2 billion to the Government of Kenya outrightly for purchasi…

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Hon. Speaker

Thank you. Hon. Members who are on their feet, take your seats. Hon. K’oyoo and Oundo, take your seats.

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Hon. Speaker

Hon. Members, we will now go to Order No.10. Before we go there, I have the following Communication.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari)

Chairperson.

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Hon. Gladys Boss (Uasin Gishu County, UDA)

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the President’s reservations on the Finance Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 30 of 2024) and its approval thereof without amendments; therefore, deleting all clauses of the Bill.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari)

Thank you, Hon. Chairperson. Mover of the Bill.

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Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the Committee of the whole House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I also request Hon. Silvanus to second. Hon. Osoro.

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Hon. Silvanus Osoro (South Mugirango, UDA)

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Though with a very heavy heart, I wish to second. I thank all the Members for their participation and agreement with the President's reservations regarding the Bill.

[(Question proposed)]

[(Question put and agreed to)]

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari)

Hon, Members, allow me to issue this Communication. Hon. Members, this guidance relates to the just concluded business, which is the agreement with the Report of the Committee of the whole House on the consideration of the President’s Reservations to the Finance Bill (National Assembly Bill No.30 of 2024) . As you are aware, the House has voted in agreement with the President’s Reservations and …

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Hon. Temporary Chairlady

There are some amendments. Mover.

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Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I wish to move the amendments to Vote 1024. The Temporary Chairlady : Order Hon. Chairman, it is Vote 1025 regarding National Police Service and not Vote 1024.

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

I am sorry. I beg to move.

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Hon. Gabriel Tongoyo to second. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari)

Hon. Gabriel Tongoyo Programme 0601000 – Policing Services

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Hon. Gabriel Tongoyo (Narok West, UDA)

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. As it has been said by the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee, I second the increment by Ksh400 million as said for policing services. This will enable our police officers to perform their duties more effectively. I appreciate the Committee. Thank you. I second. The Temporary Chairlady : If you wish to speak, use the intervention button. Hon…

[(Question of the amendment proposed)]

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

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Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM)

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I want my Chairman to make this clear. He has said the increase is Ksh400 million, but the figure read that the increase is Ksh500 million. Is it a mistake? The Temporary Chairlady : Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee, kindly clarify.

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, this is very clear. If you have Ksh108,642,444,423 and subtract Ksh108,242,444,423, you get Ksh400 million. The Temporary Chairlady : Hon. Makali Mulu, are you on board?

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

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Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM)

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I have realised that I am looking at the wrong Order Paper. The Temporary Chairlady : I had given some guidance. There is a Supplementary Order Paper that has gone round.

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

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Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM)

I think that is where the challenge is, but it is okay. The Temporary Chairlady : Acquire it from the Serjeant-at- Arms. Allow me, Hon. Members, to put the question.

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

[(Question, that the words to be left out be left out, put and agreed to)]

[(Question, that the words to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to)]

[(Programme 0601000 as amended agreed to)]

[(Vote 1025 as amended agreed)]

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

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Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move

THAT, Vote 1036, under the Programme 1013000 -– Integrated Regional Development, be amended by deleting the expression “Ksh1,713,220,000” appearing in Column 7 and substituting therefor the expression “ Ksh2,113,220,000”. It is an increment of around Ksh400 million which will go into various ongoing projects.

[(Gross Capital Estimates)]

[(Question of the amendment proposed)]

[(Question, that the words to be left out be left out, put and agreed to)]

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Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move

(Question, that the words to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to)

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Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move

1064 (State Department for Technical Vocational Education and Training) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Ksh2,480,252,664. (Programmes 0505000, 0507000 and 0508000 agreed to)

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

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Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I beg to move

THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1066 under Programme 0502000, Secondary Education, by deleting the expression “Ksh93,534,182,740” appearing in Column 6 , and substituting therefor the expression “Ksh91,534,182,740”. We are just trying to take care of examination waivers. Currently, they have no allocation. Therefore, we are re-allocating within the education sector. I request Hon. Melly to …

[(Gross Current Estimates)]

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

[(Question of the amendment proposed)]

[(Question, that the words to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to)]

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

I beg to move: THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1066 under the Programme 0503000, Quality Assurance and Standards, by deleting the expression “Ksh4,254,729,739” appearing in Column 6 , and substituting therefor the expression “Ksh6,254,729,739”. It is the same Ksh2 billion. We are now provisioning to have some kitty for examination waivers. The Temporary Chairlady : Very well.

[(Gross Current Estimates)]

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

[(Question of the amendment proposed)]

[(Programme 0503000 as amended agreed to)]

[(Programmes 0501000 and 0508000 agreed to)]

[(Vote 1066 as amended agreed to)]

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I beg to move: THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1071 under the Programme 0717000 General Administration, Planning and Support Services, by deleting the expression “Ksh59,037,647,001” appearing in Column 6 , and substituting therefor the expression “Ksh58,037,647,001” We are moving this money from a kitty we had given for pending bills into budg…

[(Gross Current Estimates)]

[(Question of the amendment proposed)]

[(Programme 0717000 as amended agreed to)]

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

(Programmes 0718000, 0719000 and 0720000 agreed to)

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

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Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move

THAT,

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, if you check (iii) , there is Ksh280 million from Ksh200 million. There is no movement in (iii) . So, the Ksh80 million is not there. That is why the figure is Ksh10,405,000,000 and not Ksh10,485,000,000 because the Ksh80 million in (iii) is no longer applicable making it Ksh10,405,166,667. The Temporary Chairlady : Yes, Chairman.

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, kindly allow me to make an amendment. Let me read it again for the Hansard. Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, under the programme 0402000 - National Referral and Specialised Services, by deleting the expression “Ksh10,435,166,667” appearing in Column 3 and substituting therefor the expression “Ksh10,405,166,667.” Here, it is the Ksh80 million that is being …

[(Gross Capital Estimates)]

[(Gross Capital Estimates)]

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

Okay. Programme 0411000 – Health Research and Innovations The Temporary Chairlady : Mover.

[(Question, that the words to be left out be left out, put and agreed to)]

[(Questions, the words to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to)]

[(Programme 0402000 as amended agreed to)]

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

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Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move

THAT, under the Programme 0411000 - Health Research and Innovations, by deleting the expression “Ksh200,000,000” appearing in Column 8 , and substituting therefor the expression “Ksh280,000,000.” This is the Ksh80 million we were dealing with in (ii) Hon. Temporary Chairlady.

[(Gross Capital Estimates)]

[(Question of the amendment proposed)]

[(Question, that the words to be left out be left out, put and agreed to)]

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Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move

(Question, that the words to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to)

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Hon. Temporary Chairlady

Mover.

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

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Hon. Chairlady, I beg to move

THAT, Programme 0406000 Preventive and Promotive Health Services be amended by deleting the expression “Kshs4,804,157,783” appearing in Column 6 ,and substituting therefore the expression “Kshs4,844,157,783.” Programme 0408000–Health Policy, Standards and Regulations

[(Gross Current Estimates)]

[(Question of the amendment proposed)]

[(Programme 0406000 as amended agreed to)]

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Hon. Temporary Chairlady

Mover.

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

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Hon. Chairlady, I beg to move

THAT, Programme 0408000 Health Policy, Standards and Regulations be amended by deleting the expression “Kshs 4,020,834,197” appearing in Column 6 ,and substituting therefore the expression “Kshs3,980,834,197.”

[(Gross Current Estimates)]

[(Question of the amendment proposed)]

[(Programme 0408000 as amended agreed to)]

[(Programmes 0407000 and 0412000 agreed to)]

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

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Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move

THAT, the First Schedule on the Report on Consideration of the Supplementary Estimates No.1 for the FY 24/25 be amended in Vote 1094, under the Programme 0102000 Housing Development and Human Settlement by deleting the figure Ksh75,734,800,000 in Column 7 , and substituting therefor the figure Ksh123,018,800,000. Hon. Temporary Chairlady, this is enhancement in Appropriations-in-Aid (A-in-A) wi…

[(Gross Capital Estimates)]

[(Question of the amendment proposed)]

[(Question, that the words to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to)]

[(Programme 0102000 as amended agreed to)]

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

[(A Member spoke off the record)]

[(Programmes 0105000 and 0106000 agreed to)]

[(Vote 1094 as amended agreed to)]

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Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move

1104 (State Department for Irrigation) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Ksh 1,925,251,000. Programme - 1022000 Water Harvesting and Storage for Irrigation The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari): Mover, move the amendments.

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

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Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move

THAT, the First Schedule on the Report on Consideration of the Supplementary Estimates No.1 for the FY 24/25 be amended in Vote 1104, under the programme 1022000

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

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Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move

THAT, the First Schedule on the Report on Consideration of the Supplementary Estimates No.1 for the FY 2024/2025 be amended in Vote 1162, under the Programme 0112000 Livestock Resources Management and Development, by deleting the expression “Ksh6,406,000,000” appearing in column 7 , and substituting therefor the expression “Ksh7,916,000,000.” This is just a movement within the department.

[(Gross Capital Estimates)]

[(Question of the amendment proposed)]

[(Programme 0112000 as amended agreed to)]

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

I beg to move: THAT, the First Schedule on the Report on Consideration of the Supplementary Estimates No.1 for the FY 2024/2025 be amended in Vote 1169:

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I beg to move: THAT, the First Schedule on the Report on Consideration of the Supplementary Estimates No.1 for the FY 2024/2025 be amended in Vote 1169, under the Programme Crop Development and Management,by deleting the expression “Ksh22,106,782,896” appearing in Column 7 , and substituting therefor the expression “Ksh22,362,782,896” The Temporary Chairlady…

[(Gross Capital Expenditure)]

[(Question of the amendment proposed)]

[(Question, that the words to be left out be left out, put and agreed to)]

[(Question, that the words to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to)]

[(Programme 0108000 as amended agreed to)]

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

[(Hon. Ndindi Nyoro spoke off the record)]

[(Programmes 0109000 and 0120000 agreed to)]

[(Vote 1169 as amended agreed to)]

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

Yes.

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

Programme 0304000 – Cooperative Development and Management

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

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Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move

THAT, the First Schedule on the Report on Consideration of the Supplementary Estimates No.1 for the FY 24/25 be amended —

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I beg to move: THAT, the First Schedule be amended —

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

I beg to move: THAT, the First Schedule be amended —

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I beg to move: THAT, the First Schedule be amended —

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1176 by—

[(State Department for Micro, Small and Medium Enterprises Development)]

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1177 by—

[(State Department for Investment Promotion)]

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

THAT, further to the Appropriations Act, 2024, the sum allocated to meet the expenditure (Recurrent and Development) for the year 30th June 2025 in respect of Vote 1184 (State Department for Labour and Skills Development) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Ksh1,463,878,475. (Programmes 0910000, 0906000 and 0907000 agreed to)

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

THAT, further to the Appropriations Act, 2024, the sum allocated to meet the expenditure (Recurrent and Development) for the year 30th June 2025 in respect of Vote 1202 (State Department for Tourism) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Ksh13,207,305. (Programmes 0313000, 0314000 and 0315000 agreed to)

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

1221 (State Department for East African Community) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Ksh74,744,471.

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

THAT, further to the Appropriations Act, 2024, the sum allocated to meet the expenditure (Recurrent and Development) for the year 30th June 2025 in respect of Vote 2081 (Salaries and Remuneration Commission) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Ksh19,494,716.

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

2121 (Office of the Controller of Budget) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Ksh35,967,183.

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

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Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move

THAT, Vote 2041, under the Programme 0765000 – General Administration, Planning and Support Services – be amended by deleting the expression “Ksh1,107,266,307” appearing in Column 6 and substituting therefor the expression Ksh1,097,266,307.

[(Gross Recurrent Expenditure)]

[(Question of the amendment proposed)]

[(Question, that the words to be left out be left out, put and agreed to)]

[(Question, that the words to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to)]

[(Programme 0765000 as amended agreed to)]

[(Programme 0766000 agreed to)]

[(Vote 2041 as amended agreed to)]

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Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move

THAT, further to the Appropriations Act, 2024, the sum allocated to meet the expenditure (Recurrent and Development) for the year 30th June 2025 in respect of Vote 2042 (National Assembly) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Ksh2,246,435,425. Programme 0721000 – National Legislation, Representation and Oversight The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari): Mover.

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

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Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move

THAT, Vote 2042, under Programme 0721000 – National Legislation, Representation and Oversight – be amended by deleting the expression “Ksh24,528,564,575” appearing in Column 6 and substituting therefor the expression “Ksh24,638,564,575”.

[(Gross Recurrent Expenditure)]

[(Question of the amendment proposed)]

[(Question, that the words to be left out be left out, put and agreed to)]

[(Question, that the words to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to)]

[(Programme 0721000 as amended agreed to)]

[(Vote 2042 as amended agreed to)]

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Hon. Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari)

Mover. The Chairman Budget and appropriation Committee ignore the Whip. You have an amendment. Programme - 0723000 General Administration, Planning and Support Services

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Hon. Kwenya Thuku (Kinangop, JP)

Yes, the whip was helping in moving this amendment. I wish to move the amendment under Vote 2043, Programme 0723000 - General Administration, Planning and Support Services – by deleting the expression Ksh6,050,461,246 appearing in Column 9 and substituting therefore the expression ‘Ksh6,000,461,246.’ (Question, that the words to be left out be left out, put and agreed to)

[(Gross Recurrent Expenditure)]

[(Question of the amendment proposed)]

[(Question, that the words to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to)]

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Hon. Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari)

I see there is some interest. I will give Hon. Kwenya a chance. Is there an amendment? Chairman of the Budget and Appropriation Committee, the first two programmes have no amendments – that is the one I have prosecuted. The third one has an amendment. So, Hon. Thuku Kwenya, are you talking about the first two? Let us hear Hon Kwenya Thuku. Hon. Mark Mwenje, I can see you on my screen.

[(Members consulted)]

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Hon. Kwenya Thuku (Kinangop, JP)

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, the reason as to why we are here is partly because members of the public say that there is a lot of wastage and duplication of functions. We are allocating money and we are not expecting any yields. The issue of allocating money to the Senators for oversight is confusing. We would like to know whether Senators are not paid just like Members of Parliament and Members of th…

[(Applause)]

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Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari)

Hon. Mark Mwenje.

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Hon. Mark Mwenje (Embakasi West, JP)

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, we saw the Senators saying that the National Government Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF)

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Hon. Mark Mwenje (Embakasi West, JP)

should be dissolved. However, none of them mentioned the fact that they have been given a fund for oversight and yet they receive salaries. The NG-CDF is being used to educate children, and build classrooms and police stations. It creates employment in our constituencies. I, therefore, want to support the budget team.

[(Loud consultations)]

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Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari)

I will give chance to two Members from the other side – Hon. Ochieng’ and Hon. Kiborek to be precise. I will start with Hon. Ochieng’.

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Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want to ask Hon. Members to forgive the Senate for they do not know what they are doing. There are people who just keep yapping everyday but they do not know how money is made and how it is allocated. I would request this House to be the big brother. Let us not kill the Senate. Let us forgive them for they do not know what they are doing.

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Hon. Members

No!

[(Loud consultations)]

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Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)

Please, let us allow them to have their monies. Let them do their job. That is my plea to my fellow Hon. Members. Let us not get into tuff wars. They say that when they go low, we go high. Let them be.

[(Loud consultations)]

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Hon. Kiborek Reuben (Mogotio, UDA)

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. It defeats logic to discuss the issue of giving oversight money to the Senate at a time when we are talking about austerity measures. The Senators have their salaries and millage allowances to go back to their counties and conduct oversight. We cannot come to this House to discuss about giving people oversight funds when we are talking about instituting auster…

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

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Hon. Kiborek Reuben (Mogotio, UDA)

Hon. Sabina Chege.

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Hon. Sabina Chege (Jubilee, Nominated)

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, you know that some people play to the gallery to make themselves popular. We are here to support the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee, who is a member of my county. However, we need to delete and reject this programme because we know the history of this whole thing. Looking at what has been there before, I support the rejection of this budget programme.…

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

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Hon. Innocent Mugabe (Likuyani, ODM)

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I want to delve into the issue of the Oversight Fund by the Senate. Members of the County Assemblies (MCAs) and the Senators are elected with the main role of oversight. Giving this Oversight Fund to Senators basically means that tomorrow, Members of the National Assembly and MCAs across the country will also demand creation of a similar fund for the…

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

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Hon. Silvanus Osoro (South Mugirango, UDA)

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. Our responsibilities, as a bicameral Parliament, are enshrined in the Constitution under Articles 95 and 96 – that is oversight, legislation and representation. I agree with all the sentiments made by my colleagues as far as the small House of the Senate is concerned. The Senate is actually a small House. Their roles are very minor. They are very pett…

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Hon. Silvanus Osoro (South Mugirango, UDA)

amendment before the House. There is nobody amongst us who proposed such an amendment to be approved by the Speaker. Therefore, while I agree with them, let us also be very factual that it cannot get to that level.

[(Loud consultations)]

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, we had an opportunity to have a very robust hearing with the Parliamentary Service Commission, where the Clerks of the National Assembly and the Senate, and all the Accounting Officers in Parliament were present. I want to allay the fears that in this Budget, we have cut all the flesh in the National Assembly and the Senate. We have deducted Ksh3.7 billion from Parliament…

[(Loud consultations)]

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

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Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move

THAT, Vote 2044 be amended in Programme 0769000 by deleting the expression “Ksh2,495,150,900” appearing in Column 6 and substituting therefor the expression “Ksh2,445,150,900.” Hon. Temporary Chairlady, the figures are self-explanatory. It shows a reduction from the initial figure. What we are seeking to do is to get money for the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC) Selectio…

[(General Administration, Planning and Support Services)]

[(Gross Recurrent Expenditure)]

[(Question of the amendment proposed)]

[(Question, that the words to be left out be left out, put and agreed to)]

[(Question, that the words to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to)]

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the Committee of Supply do report to the House its consideration of the Supplementary Estimates I for Financial Year 2024/2025 and its approval thereof with amendments.

[(Question proposed)]

[(Question put and agreed to)]

[(The House resumed)]

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Hon. Martha Wangari (Gilgil, UDA)

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of Supply has considered the First Supplementary Estimates for the Financial Year 2024/2025 and approved the same with amendments, and pursuant to the provisions of Article 223 of the Constitution and Section 9 of the Public Finance Management Act, 2012 and Standing Order 243 approved an overall decrease in the total Budget of the Financial Y…

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Hon. Deputy Speaker

Mover.

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Report of the Committee of Supply in its consideration of the First Supplementary Estimates for Financial Year 2024/2025, and pursuant to the provisions of Article 223 of the Constitution of Kenya, Section 39 of Public Finance Management Act, 2012 and Standing Order 243, approves an overall decrease in the total Budget for Financi…

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Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

time. Members of the Budget and Appropriations Committee were meeting Chairpersons of the Departmental Committees within the precincts of Parliament. There was a time when we had a meeting on a Monday at the County Hall. I confirm that we left there at 3.30 a.m. working on these Budget Estimates. I thank our team, led by Hon. Speaker and the Clerk of the National Assembly, which works very closel…

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Hon. Deputy Speaker

Hon. Mary Emaase.

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Hon. Mary Emaase (Teso South, UDA)

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. As I second, allow me just to say two things. First, I want to thank these Hon. Members. Let Kenyans know that today we have come to the end of the Finance Bill. It has been buried. Second, I want to reassure the sugarcane farmers of Western Kenya who have been lied to that there is tax on sugarcane farming that today this House appropriated money to pay the arrear…

[(Question proposed)]

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Hon. Members

Put the Question! Put the Question!

[(Question put and agreed to)]

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Hon. Deputy Speaker

Hon. Members, we have come to the end of our business this evening. Therefore, the House is adjourned until Tuesday, 30th July 2024, at 2.30 p.m. The House rose at 7.14 p.m.

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Hon. Deputy Speaker

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