National Assembly · Afternoon Sitting
Thursday, 29 May 2025
The National Assembly considered several amendments to the Conflict of Interest Bill and the Anti‑Money Laundering and Combating Terrorism Financing Laws (Amendment) Bill, reporting that the President’s reservations were approved without further changes. Members debated procedural motions, with Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah mocking Hon. Murugara’s failed amendment attempt, highlighting intra‑party tensions. The House subsequently moved to the next business after securing agreement on the committee reports. Members challenged the claim that the Deputy County Commissioner of Trans Mara South had been transferred, questioning the accuracy of statements read by the Chairman and seeking clarification from the Cabinet Secretary. The debate also focused on serious security concerns in Angata Barrikoi, including alleged police‑ordered killings and the effectiveness of IPOA, with calls for investigations and possible redeployment of security forces. Procedural interjections by the Temporary Speaker aimed to keep the discussion focused on specific questions. Hon. Johana Kipyegon raised urgent questions about a series of killings, the whereabouts of implicated police officers, and the status of a Deputy County Commissioner allegedly transferred. Hon. Gabriel Tongoyo responded with assurances of forthcoming updates on the DCC, affirmed the IPOA’s mandate to investigate police excesses, and noted police transfers, while the Temporary Speaker pushed for procedural progress and deferred some questions. The exchange underscored concerns over accountability, security, and parliamentary follow‑up.
Hon. Members, there is no quorum in the House. Sergeant-at-Arms, ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. Order Hon. Members. We have quorum to transact business. Clerk-at-the-Table, proceed. Order Hon. Members. Members on their feet, take the nearest seat. Hon. Members, as you are aware, yesterday this country lost one of its greatest sons in the literary world. Prof. Ngugi wa Thiong'o, a prolific …
[(The Quorum Bell was rung)]
[(Several Members stood in their places)]
[(Hon. Members observed a moment of silence)]
Pardon?
I thank you for giving us the opportunity to eulogise our great leader. However, I think 30 minutes is not enough time to give him the deserved recognition in this House.
I will decide according to the wishes of the House.
Thank you very much.
If you need an hour, I will give it to you.
Thank you. Having more time is better.
Hon. Junet is asking how many people know him in this House. At least I do. How many of you have read his books? Thank you.
[(Several Members raised their hands)]
Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, aware that Article 95 (2) of the Constitution provides that the National Assembly deliberates on and resolves issues of concern to the people; further aware that the Higher Education Loans Board (HELB) is mandated to provide financial support to Kenyans pursuing higher education through loans, bursaries and scholarships; noting tha…
Hon. Speaker, I wish to bring to your attention a matter that is important to this House regarding how this Parliament operates. A ruling was made today concerning a matter pending before the Justice and Legal Affairs Committee (JLAC) . This is a House of procedure, traditions, and precedence, as has been pronounced by previous Speakers. It is established that when a matter is seized by the House …
I am pleased that the judge lifted the injunction today. However, I am giving judicial notice as a leader of this House that we will continue our work, irrespective of this challenge. If the ruling had not come out today, we would have been prepared to sit tomorrow to vet and finalise our business. After that, they could go to court and take whatever action they deemed necessary. Thank you, Hon. …
Hold on. I do not want to open debate on this. What the Leader of the Minority Party is saying is in sync with what the Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo raised yesterday on the same matter. There is a ruling or communication forthcoming on this issue to provide a precedent-setting direction. But for the avoidance of doubt, nobody—and I repeat, nobody— has the power under any law or our Constitution to inj…
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Hon. Members, you will recall that on Wednesday, 30th April 2025, I reported to this House a Message from His Excellency the President, notifying that in the exercise of the powers conferred under Article 115(1) (b) of the Constitution, he had referred the Conflict of Interest Bill (National Assembly Bill No.12 of 2023) and the Anti-Money Laundering and the Combating of Terrorism Financing Laws (A…
[(Laughter)]
admission because you need a super-majority. It will not be a simple yes or nay vote. Will you now be up standing?
On a point of order, Hon Speaker.
Order, Members. Hold on Serjeant-at-Arms. What is it Hon. Wamboka? Serjeant-at-Arms, retreat. Take your seats, Members. Do you want to contribute on the same issue?
I seek your guidance, Hon. Speaker. It looks like we are being ambushed.
You are not.
How about we postpone this matter to next week so that we organise ourselves with regard to numbers, especially on the Conflict of Interest Bill because it affects us? We are affected by the Bill, yet we were not prepared for this. Step this matter down and we will hit 100 per cent membership in the House next week as per Standing Order 30.
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Order, Hon. Wamboka. As Members of this House, you must be like the good soldier Sheikh from Poland who was ready for combat 24 hours a day, anytime, anywhere. That is what you should be. This is not an ambush because I told you that this matter was already ruled on by previous Speakers in 2015. So, it is not something new. I encourage you to go into the Committee of the whole House. Will you now …
THAT, Clause 3 of the Bill be amended by deleting subclause (2) and substituting therefor the following new subclause—
Mover.
Thank you, Hon. Chairlady. I was laughing at Hon. Murugara because he has naturally dropped his amendment by the fact that he could not mobilise two-thirds. Hon. Chairlady, I beg to move that the Committee reports its considerations of the President’s reservation to the Anti-Money Laundering and Combating of Terrorism Financing Laws (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.5 of 2025) and its a…
[(Question proposed)]
[(Question put and agreed)]
[(The House resumed)]
Hon. Chairman.
Thank you. Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole House has considered…
Hon. Chairman, let me invite you again. I was not on record. Hon. Chairperson, please proceed.
Thank you very much. Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the President’s reservation to the Conflict of Interest Bill, National Assembly Bill No.12 of 2023 and approved the same without amendments.
Mover of the Bill, Leader of the Majority Party.
Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said Report. I also request Hon. Dorothy to second the Motion for agreement with the Report of the Committee of the whole House.
Hon. Dorothy, please proceed.
Thank you Hon. Temporary Speaker. I second the Report.
[(Question proposed)]
[(The Temporary Speaker consulted with the Clerks-at-the Table)]
Hon. Members, for the convenience of the House, we move to the next Bill. Chairperson of the Committee of the whole or the representative.
[(Putting of the Question deferred)]
Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the President’s Reservations to the Anti- Money Laundering and Combating of Terrorism Financing Laws (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly No.5 of 2025) and approved the same without amendments.
Mover of the Bill, Leader of Majority Party.
Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said Report. I also request Hon. (Prof.) Phylis Bartoo to Second the Motion for agreement with the Report of the Committee of the whole House. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Thank you very much Leader of Majority Party. Members I propose the Question… May I have a seconder.
[(Several Members spoke off the record)]
Hon. Temporary Speaker, I second.
Thank you very much Professor. Members, for the convenience of the House, I defer putting of the Question. Next Order.
[(Question proposed)]
[(Putting of the Question deferred)]
Leader of Majority Party, I see you are on your feet.
I do not think there are Questions Hon. Temporary Speaker.
Yes. After dropping some of the Questions, what we have are responses to statements. Leader of Majority Party you may proceed.
Thank you Hon. Temporary Speaker. On behalf of the House Business Committee and pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44
Thank you, Leader of the Majority Party. Hon. Members, before we proceed, I would like to welcome the following guests in the Speaker's Gallery this afternoon;
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I take this opportunity to welcome all the learners and their teachers, both in the Public Gallery and the Speaker's Gallery to the House of Parliament. I encourage them to view today as a learning experience because tomorrow, they will have an opportunity to serve in this House. I want to tell them to feel encouraged, go back to their institutions and work very …
I would also like to give a chance Hon. Bady Twalib from Mombasa County to welcome our students.
Asante sana, Mheshimiwa Spika wa Muda. Nawakaribisha wanafunzi wote wa kutoka Narok na Nyeri. Nataka kuwaambia wawe na moyo wa kuamini kwamba kila kitu kinawezekana. Sisi pia tulitoka hapo tukitamani, lakini leo tuko hapa kama viongozi. Kwa hivyo, nawaambia wasome kwa bidii. Wao pia wanaweza, siku moja, kuwa Kiongozi wa Chama cha Walio Wengi kama Mhe. Kimani Ichung’wah, au kuhudumu katika Bunge hi…
Asante sana, Mhe. Bady
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Allow me also to welcome the students from Mara Christian School in Narok West, Ndururumo High School in Laikipia West and Mount Kenya Academy in Nyeri. I could not fail to notice
that all the students look extremely smart. I welcome them to the National Assembly, where we sit to represent them, their parents and all the other Kenyans. We oversee the Government of the Republic of Kenya and legislate on their behalf. Those who were here earlier witnessed the legislation-making process during the Committee of the whole House on the two Bills we considered with the President's…
Thank you very much, Hon. Members. Thank you Leader of the Majority Party. Hon. Members, in the Speaker's Gallery this afternoon, we also have students from:
On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker.
What is out of order, Leader of the Majority Party?
Hon. Temporary Speaker, nothing is out of order. I just want to seek your indulgence. For the convenience of the House, the Chairman of the Committee, Hon. George Murugara, who is here, had requested that we adjourn debate on Order No.11 to next week to allow them finalise the work they are doing on that Bill. Having consulted him, we have agreed that we can adjourn debate on Order No.11 on the P…
Thank you very much Leader of the Majority Party. Chairperson, would you like to make a comment? I would like to make a ruling on this matter. Member for Tharaka.
In respect of Order No.11, I confirm that is the position. Kindly let it be stood down to next week. We will be ready with all the reports.
Members will read and be able to debate the proposed amendments to the Act. Thank you very much.
Thank you. I would like to accede to the request that has been made by the Leader of the Majority Party.
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker.
Members, before we go to Hon. Kangogo, let us go to statements.
Hon. Tongoyo, please proceed. You can start with the first one. You actually have a long list.
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. What you have said is true. I am ready with about three or so responses to requests for statements. I need your guidance because I am only seeing one Member, the Member for Kilgoris, in the House. I can respond to his and the rest when the Members are in the House.
Thank you. I would like to direct that we focus on responses for the Members who are in the House. In that case, for your four statements, the Member who is in the House is Hon. Julius Sunkuli, the Member for Kilgoris. So, you may proceed.
On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker.
What is out of order?
Hon. Temporary Speaker, this is a House of record. In the last Parliament, if a Member asked a question and that Member was not present in the House at the time of the response, the chairperson of a committee only needed to table the response. It was upon the Member who asked that question to get the written response, otherwise, you will have Members asking questions and during the time of respons…
[(Hon. Julius Sunkuli stood in his place and gestured)]
Members, this is the way we will proceed. The first question which is being responded to was raised by Hon. Julius Sunkuli who is in the House. So, that one will be responded to. For those who are not here, so that we do not lose time for Parliament, I would like to order that the chairperson tables the responses on record. Thank you.
Please proceed Chairman.
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. With regard to your guidance, I will table the two that I have for the record before I respond to Hon. Sunkuli’s. I have a response for the Member for Kisii County, Hon. Dorice Donya, regarding the tragic death of Sylvia Kemunto and the escalating cases of gender-based violence. As you guided, once I am done, I will table the response. I also have a response for…
Just take your seat for a minute. Members, Hon. Dorice Donya had written to the Speaker requesting that this be deferred. I would like to respect the fact that the substantive Speaker granted that. Kindly defer the one for Hon. Dorice Donya, the Member for Kisii County. For the purpose of order, you may start with the one for Hon. Julius Sunkuli, who is already here, then we can proceed downward…
Please proceed to table.
Okay, thank you. I will table it.
[(Hon. Gabriel Tongoyo tabled the response)]
I will now proceed to the one for the Departmental Committee on Blue Economy, Water and Irrigation.
Please proceed, Chairman.
Thank you, Temporary Speaker. I have a response to a request for a Statement by Hon. Keynan, the Member for Eldas. I want to be on record that I have the response from the Cabinet Secretary, Eng. Eric Muriithi Muuga, which I wish to table.
[(Hon. Reuben Kiborek tabled the response)]
You have tabled on record, Hon. Chair. Thank you. Hon. Members, for the convenience of the House, I defer all the other statements to a time when they will be scheduled by the House Business Committee. Next is Order No 8.
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I beg to reply on behalf of the Chairperson of the Public Investments Committee on Social Services, Administration and Agriculture, of which I am a Member. I thank the Members who responded and gave their views on the Report. We have taken note of all the responses and counsel as a Committee, and we will utilise them in our next reports. Once this Report is adopt…
For the convenience of the House, I defer the putting of the Question to when the matter will next be scheduled for consideration by the House Business Committee. Next Order.
[(Putting of the Question deferred)]
Hon. Members, clearly, we have not raised the requisite quorum to transact business. The time being 6.05 p.m., this House stands adjourned until Tuesday, 3rd June 2025, at 2.30 p.m. The House rose at 6.05 p.m.
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