National Assembly · Afternoon Sitting

Table of the House on Tuesday, 1st July 2025, and approves the Mediated version of the Gambling Control Bill (National Assembly Bill No.70 of 2023).

Thank you. Members at the Bar, take the nearest seats. Order, Members. What is the name of the Member on his feet? Take your seats.

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Order, Members.

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[(The Bill was read a Second Time and committed to the Committee of the whole House)]

THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Public Investments Committee on Commercial Affairs and Energy on its examination of the Reports of the Auditor-General on the financial statements of selected State corporations, laid on the Table of the House on Wednesday, 4th June 2025.

Hon. Members, before we go to the next Order, allow me to acknowledge students. Some may have left. In the Speaker's Gallery, we have Alpha Junior Academy from Ainabkoi in Uasin Gishu and Karima Secondary School from Ndia in Kirinyaga. In the Public Gallery, we have pupils from St Mary's School from Ainabkoi, Uasin Gishu; Yaanga Primary School from Kinangop, Nyandarua; Mitimaiyu Primary School fro…

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(Senate Bill No.9 of 2025)

Let us go back to Order No.3. Sarah, where is the Message? Hon. Owen, you are distracting my Clerks-at-the-Table. Go to Order No.7. Yes, Hon. Owen.

Sorry, I seem to be disturbing your Clerks-at- the-Table. I am looking for Order No.15 in the Supplementary Order Paper that we have.

You are not disturbing. You are just distracting. It is the County Assemblies Pensions Scheme Bill (Senate Bill No.14 of 2024) .

The one that we have reads, “Consideration of the Public Finance Management Regulations, 2024”.

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That is Order No.16.

The County Assemblies Pensions Scheme Bill (Senate Bill No.14 of 2024) is not in the Order Paper that we have.

Do you have the Supplementary Order Paper?

Yes. Unless there are several Supplementary Order Papers.

I approved only one. Can you come and cross-check with mine?

Yes.

[(Hon. Owen Baya consulted with the Speaker)]

Can you harmonise that? Let us go to Order No.7, requests for Statements. Hon. Francis Sigei. Hold, Ambassador Sigei. Yes, Hon. Nzengu of Mwingi North. What is your point of order? Go ahead Mheshimiwa.

Thank you. I rise under Standing Order 43 (2) to ask the House to discuss a matter of national importance in reference to the National Government Constituencies Development Fund (NG- CDF) . Money for most constituencies was disbursed but it is sitting idle in banks. It is not helping communities because of the new Electronic Government Procurement (e-GP) system that requires everything to be done…

Are they collected, elected or nominated? There is a hell lot of difference between collected and nominated members.

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I am well-guided, Hon. Speaker. Communities nominate them to form the PMC. Since this is not an officially recognised or registered institution to execute roles of agents of the Kenya Revenue Authority (KRA) and all the related requirements, we now have a stalemate. We do not know what we are going to do with the money sitting in banks. I seek the House to discuss that matter so that we have a wa…

Hon. (Eng) Nzengu, the House cannot discuss your concern unless you bring a Motion of Adjournment. There is no Motion before the House. Having consulted with the Speaker that you had a concern, I direct the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party to get hold of the Chair of the NG-CDF Committee to bring a Message to the House on what exactly is the issue. If he appears here this afternoon before the r…

Much obliged, Hon. Speaker. I will do as directed.

Yes, look for the Chair of the NG-CDF Committee. Ambassador Francis Sigei of Sotik.

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I wish to request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental

Advantaged or disadvantaged?

Are not disadvantaged.

You read advantaged. Now you have corrected.

Three, the long-term plans being put in place by the Government to ensure there are adequate junior secondary schools in the country, specifically in Sotik Constituency. Thank you.

Thank you balozi. The Chair of the Departmental Committee on Education. I saw Hon. Melly coming into the Chamber.

Hon. Gisairo, how soon can you respond to that request?

We can do that in two weeks, Hon. Speaker.

Hon. Sigei, I do not understand this. I thought junior secondary schools are an appendage to existing primary schools. Are they not? So, how do you want to establish them in isolation of your existing primary schools? That is up to you. Let us hear what Hon. Gisairo has after you respond.

[(Hon. Francis Sigei spoke off the record)]

Hon. Speaker, junior secondary schools are approved by the Ministry. They must be approved. Therefore, I have written to the Ministry and recommended the number of schools for registration. That is the Statement that I am seeking from the Ministry.

Hon. Gisairo, is two weeks sufficient?

Yes, Hon. Speaker. I understand what the Member is saying. Not all primary schools have junior secondary schools. Some are not approved.

However, are all junior secondary schools appendages to existing primary schools?

Yes, Hon. Speaker.

Hon. Farah Yakub. Yes, Hon. Oundo. You want to joyride?

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. While responding on the same, I want the Departmental Committee on Education to clarify a matter that seems to be gaining currency in most rural schools. Are they referred to as junior secondary schools, primary schools or comprehensive schools under the leadership of a head of institution? The heads no longer call themselves head teachers. There is too much confusion. So,…

Hon. Gisairo, can you add that?

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I will add that. However, I would wish to state that we have junior secondary schools and not comprehensive schools. The head is referred to as: “Head of institution.” We shall have all that captured in the response.

Hon. Farah Yakub, Member of Parliament for Fafi.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I wish to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure regarding the Status of Lamu Port South-Sudan Ethiopia Transport (LAPSSET) Corridor Project in Garissa County. The LAPSSET Corridor Project has been touted as one of the single largest and integrated…

a merchant oil refinery at Lamu; High Grand Falls multipurpose dam; a regional road and rail networks; fibre optics cable; and advanced communication systems. The implementation of the LAPSSET Corridor Project promises to significantly accelerate economic growth, open up the historically marginalised northern part of the country, ease congestion at the port of Mombasa and enhance regional integra…

Thank you. The Chair of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure is away with my permission. He is sitting for exams. Who is the Vice-Chair? Any Member of the Committee. Hold on Hon. Weytan. Hon. Keynan wants to joyride on that request for a Statement.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. The LAPSSET Corridor Project is supposed to be a regional flagship project intended to provide transport and logistics infrastructure aimed at creating a seamless connectivity between the East African countries. We all understand that. The Government of Kenya deliberately decided to construct another port in Lamu. That beautiful creative idea is now going to waste. As you …

Is any Member of the Committee present? Hon. Weytan, are you a Member of the Committee? Bring the response in two weeks.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. As a Member of Parliament from the area, I understand the situation very well. As a Member of the Committee, I will take up the matter.

Hon. Millie.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I rise on a point of order regarding a different issue. I have noted with concern that there are many students visiting Parliament. While it is good for students and pupils to visit Parliament, as an expert in child protection, the current numbers are concerning. There are numerous school buses at the KICC, and outside the gate, we have a large number of students. Child pr…

Hon. Naisula, are you rising on the same issue?

Thank you, Hon. Speaker, and thank you, Hon. Millie, for raising this issue. Yesterday, I noted that two of the children fainted because they had been standing for long hours. I will be writing to you, as the Chairperson of the Parliamentary Service Commission (PSC) , that we establish a health facility within Parliament. This facility would provide quick, emergency medical aid for Members of Parl…

Thank you, Millie and Hon. Naisula. You may recall that I mentioned yesterday that, on Tuesday alone, we received 60 schools visiting Parliament. When I instructed the Clerk to inquire, I was informed that the teachers who requested to come at this particular time explained that, due to the school holidays, this is the only available time until the next holiday. Fortunately, this holiday coincides…

to stay in Nairobi. If they encounter any problems, we cannot provide financial assistance, but they can bring it to our attention so that we can explore how best we can assist them. In the meantime, I also encourage my clerks to notify the Speaker as soon as a school arrives, as we are currently in a situation where we are acknowledging the presence of schools that have already departed. That is…

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I wish to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Tourism and Wildlife regarding the status of the construction of the Ronald Ngala Utalii College in Kilifi County. On 1st February 1996, the Government approved the construction of the Coast Branch of the Kenya Utalii College vi…

Yes, Hon. Julius Ole Sunkuli, you want to speak on the same?

Yes. I would like to seek your indulgence to joyride on that Statement.

Go ahead.

Hon. Speaker, while the Ronald Ngala Utalii College was being constructed, the Government had also committed to construct Utalii College in Kilgoris. Groundbreaking was done by the highest in Government, but up to today, I do not know the status of the said College. I also want to request the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Tourism and Wildlife to include the status of the Kilgoris Utal…

Thank you. The Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Tourism. Is it Kareke Mbiuki? Any member of the Committee? Hon. Owen Baya, you take responsibility and inform him to bring a response in two weeks.

Much obliged, Hon. Speaker.

Hon. Mary Maingi

Thank you, Hon. Speaker, for allowing me this opportunity. I want to speak to two issues regarding the rice farmers in Mwea Constituency. On 20th February this year, I requested for a Statement from the Departmental Committee on Trade, Industry and Cooperatives on the importation of rice into this country. Rice is the third consumed cereal in this country...

Hon. Mary Maingi, I gave you an opportunity to remind the House that you requested for a Statement, and it has not been responded to. I did not give you the latitude to open debate on the same Statement that you requested.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I am guided. With your indulgence, I would like the Cabinet Secretary for the Ministry of Investments, Trade and Industry and the Cabinet Secretary for the National Treasury and Economic Planning to come and explain their plans for rice farmers in Mwea Constituency. I learned about rice importation into the country yesterday through a Gazette Notice. Allow me to speak to …

Thank you. On the fertiliser one, I remember you shared with me, and I forwarded your concerns to the Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development. Hon. Mutunga, I see you are here. Can you check out why Mwea rice farmers are not accessing subsidised fertiliser when the policy is that every farmer, whether it is of coffee, tea, rice, potato, maize, or whichever crop, must be equally…

I will do that, Hon. Speaker. However, the strategy is to have everyone receive subsidised fertiliser, whether it is tea, coffee, rice, or other crops. Thank you, Hon. Speaker.

Thank you. On the rice one, the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Trade, Industry and Cooperatives. Has she spoken for you? Well, she represents Mwea. Does Nyando get fertiliser? Okay. Hon. Mutunga. Chairman Mutunga, limit your phone contact in the Chamber. Expand your fertiliser check to the Nyando Rice Scheme as well. Next, responses to Statements, the Chairman of the Departmental…

[(Hon. Jared Okello spoke off the record)]

[(Hon. Jared Okello spoke off the record)]

[(Hon. (Dr) John Mutunga Kanyuithia was on phone)]

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Hon. Speaker, I have a response to a Statement sought by the Member of Parliament for Lungalunga Constituency, Hon. Chiforomodo Mangale. The Member of Parliament had requested to be informed about the current progress of construction of the Lungalunga Sub-County Headquarters and the measures, if any, being implemented to expedite its completion in order to provide proper office space for the Deput…

Hon. Chiforomodo, are you satisfied we move to the next statement?

Hon. Speaker, the response is not satisfactory. Thirteen years is such a long time to be told that the Ministry is trying to get some funds so that they can actualise the project. I wish the Chairman could liaise with the Cabinet Secretary because we are in the beginning of the financial year and we can get some funds to actualise the project. Currently, the DCC has no office. They operate on a ma…

Hon. Tongoyo, can you fast-track for him?

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. As much as I understand the frustration of the Member of Parliament, we all know the problem. I have been lamenting in this House on the issue of funding projects within the Ministry. In this financial year, we barely have Ksh500 million and we are aware of the gazetted units which are a majority in this country. Having said that, I will follow up on this matter and see wh…

Thank you. Now respond to a request by Hon. Yakub Adow. Hold on. Yes, Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai. There is another joyrider here.

Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker, for allowing me to also joyride on this matter. I would like to inform the Chairman that we have assistant chiefs who were hired one year ago, specifically in April 2024. We are now past April 2025. Initially, I had informed them that I did not want to raise the matter because I thought it would be handled administratively, but I would like to request the Chairma…

Thank you. Hon. Tongoyo, take care of that. Hon. Owen, do you want to joyride on this one as well?

Yes, Hon. Speaker. This is a problem that needs to be looked at. I have chiefs and assistant chiefs in Kilifi County, who were hired a year ago but they have not been paid. You can imagine a chief waking up every day, serving the people, and he does not get payment. When I asked, I was told that there was a problem with the Public Service Commission, who had disputed that they were the ones who sh…

Hon. Tongoyo, take note of that matter and address it. Those are comments, they do not require your response.

Hon. Speaker, maybe just to put a word across, because this is not the first time that it is coming up. The problem lies with the Public Service Commission. They have this issue of generating the service numbers. At times it takes unnecessarily long, but as you have guided, it is an issue that we are going to follow up and have it addressed.

Can you now respond to a request by Hon. Yakub Adow? Is Hon. Yakub here?

Yes, Hon. Speaker.

Hon. Speaker, on 11th June 2025, Hon. Joseph Munyoro requested for a Statement regarding the exclusion of Murang’a South Water and Sanitation Company (MUWASCO) from the recent downward tariff review by the Water

Services Regulatory Board (WASREB), despite MUWASCO having the highest rates in the region. Secondly, the Hon. Member sought to know the immediate measures being taken by WASREB to review MUWASCO tariffs to ensure fairness in service provision across Murang’a County. The Water Services Regulatory Board is established under the Water Act, 2016, with the principal objective of protecting the intere…

[[The Speaker (Hon. Moses Wetang’ula) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) took the Chair]]

Following the conclusion of this demarcation, a multi-sector consultative meeting will be convened to deliberate on proposed service area variations and association tariff applications. This forum will bring together the Ministry of Water, Sanitation and Irrigation, WASREB, the Athi Water Works Development Agency, the Tana Water Works Development Agency, the County Government of Murang’a, both wa…

Let me interrupt proceedings to welcome visiting schools to the National Assembly. In the Public Gallery are pupils and students of SDA Kapkeringon Comprehensive School from Mosop Constituency in Nandi County. They are welcome to the National Assembly to observe proceedings.

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I am not satisfied. I would like to know what happens when a Question is not answered. Do I re-submit the request for a Statement? Will they invite the water service provider so that we can have a discussion? I think they completely misunderstood the issues. There is one simple reason I am saying so.. I asked about the basis for not reviewing MUSWACO’s tariffs as they reviewed tariffs of all wate…

Two, they claim that the tariff was determined after rigorous assessment. I am wondering whether other tariffs were not. If it was a rigorous assessment, is it too much work to do the same and review the tariffs? I really need your guidance here because there are claims of immediate measures being taken to review. Again, they have just taken the dispute and started their explanation with, “To begi…

The Chairman of the Departmental Committee, are you able to seal those information gaps or we direct a different approach to dealing with the issue?

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I understand what the Member is saying. However, the Cabinet Secretary has indicated that the reason why the tariffs were not reviewed is because of the jurisdiction dispute. I assure the Member, and you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, that I will take up this matter. I will invite the Cabinet Secretary, together with WASREB, to appear before us. I will also invite the Member so t…

Hon. Munyoro, that would be a good way to deal with it; in better detail with the relevant officers present.

Yes, I thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Hon. Kangogo, when would you like to get those members of the Executive in a sitting with the Committee members and Hon. Munyoro?

Hon. Temporary Speaker, probably after this I will walk to the Clerk’s Office and request him to write to the Principal Secretary. I may not know the schedule of the Principal Secretary but probably in two weeks’ time I should have the response.

Hon. Kangogo, schedule that meeting and invite the relevant members of the Executive and ensure that Hon. Joseph Munyoro is in attendance so that the matter can be addressed in a more conclusive way.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, I am well guided. Yesterday, Hon. Keynan, through the Leader of the Majority Party, asked the Hon. Speaker about a response to his request for a Statement. Indeed, Hon. Keynan requested for a Statement on 9th April about water and sewerage in Wajir County.

Do you have the response?

No, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I tabled the response following the guidance from the Hon. Speaker that when a Member asks for a Statement and it is listed in the Order Paper but the Member is not in at that time, we Table the

response. I tabled the response sought by Hon. Keynan, and it is in The Hansard of 29th May

Your responsibility is discharged.

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for indulging me. I just wanted to share my experience on the matter which you have just directed on. I was once in that situation where I was not happy with the response from the Chairman of a committee. The proposal by Hon. Kangogo to summon the Principal Secretary and the concerned water body and then invite the Member is a good one. This is because …

Yes, the advice is taken. Can we have the response to Hon. Charles Onchoke? The Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education, do you have the response?

Hon. Temporary Speaker, Hon. Charles Onchoke had written to the clerk of our Committee that he was out of the country and he wished his response to be done when he is present. So, he requested that we stand it down until when he is available.

I do not have information from the Clerk on that response. Therefore, under the Standing Orders, it will stand dropped because Hon. Charles Onchoke is clearly not in the House.

[(Request for Statement dropped)]

Could we have the response in relation to the request by Hon. Joshue Kandie. Is he in the House? He is not in.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, he is not in but I would like to table it. This is because Hon. Kandie was invited to the Committee while the response was being given and he asked whatever follow-up questions that he wanted. So, it is only appropriate that I table it.

That is fine. You can table the document. Hon. Kandie and any other Member interested to see what the response is can pick it from the Table Office. There is another Request for a Statement by Hon. Joshua Kandie. Who is representing the Departmental Committee on Education?

Hon. Temporary Speaker, it is the one I have just tabled.

Is it the one you have just tabled? Okay, I have noticed that Hon. Joshua Kandie is captured here twice. So, the response can be picked from the Table Office as directed by Hon. Joshua Kandie. Next is the response to the request for a Statement by Hon. Irene Kasalu. I can see her in the House. Does the Departmental Committee on Health have a response? Yes, Chairman.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (a) , I rise to give the following Statement on behalf of the House Business Committee which met on Tuesday, 29th July 2025, to prioritise business for consideration next week.

With regard to business scheduled for Tuesday, next week, the House is expected to continue with debate on Second Reading of the Kenya Roads (Amendment) Bill, 2024 and the Kenya Sign Language Bill (Senate Bill No.9 of 2023), should they not be concluded today. Additionally, debate will be undertaken on the following Motions, should they not be concluded today:

Thank you. Next Order.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Committee on Delegated Legislation on its consideration of the Public Finance Management Regulations, 2024, laid on the Table of the House on Thursday, 24th July 2025, and pursuant to the provisions of Section 24 (4) of the Public Finance Management Act, Cap. 412A, this House approves the Publ…

[(Public Officers Medical Fund)]

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Part III provides the administration of the Fund and shows that a body will administer the Fund. Part IV is on financial provisions that provide the manner to manage and account for the Fund in line with the principles of good public finance management. Part V is miscellaneous provisions that indicate that administrative expenses should not exceed three per cent of the approved budget in each fin…

Hon. Julius Sunkuli.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, in seconding this Motion, I want to make a few observations. I am a Member of the Committee on Delegated Legislation that has deliberated on these regulations. Those regulations are made under the PFM Act because it establishes a fund. This fund will now benefit over 140,000 public servants in Kenya. When the SHA came into operation, it abolished what we used to call the e…

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Hon. (Dr) Wilberforce Oundo

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Let me take this opportunity to laud the Committee for approving the regulations that provide enhanced medical cover for those working in the public service. When SHA came in with the various laws, they abolished the preferential enhanced treatment that was common during the National Hospital Insurance Fund (NHIF) era. That meant that the civil servant had no op…

First, we have just concluded a debate here concerning the case of a body that has been retained. We hope there are adequate provisions to ensure that a public servant will not go through the ignominy of having his or her body, or that of a dependant, held in the hospital because of high medical bills. I hope the Committee applied itself and put adequate safeguards in that regard. Secondly, we ju…

Hon. Anthony Aluoch, Counsel, you are next.

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I am a Member of the Committee on Delegated Legislation. I stand to support. I want to raise three salient issues and underlying matters that this House should take into consideration. First, Standing Order 210, the Constitution and the Statutory Instruments Act provide two procedures through which regulations come into force. The underlying principle…

or be considered under the Statutory Instruments Act. However, to the extent that this creates a fund under Sections 24(4) and 24(5) of the PFM Act, only the Cabinet Secretary for the National Treasury and Economic Planning can create such a Fund. Therefore, this Fund known as the Public Finance Management Public Officers Funds Regulations 2024, had to come through the PFM Act. Under proposed Reg…

Hon. Andrew Okuome, Member for Karachuonyo proceed.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I want to start by saying that when SHA came into being, as my other colleagues have said, nearly all medical schemes were collapsed into one, under SHA. Although this one may fall under PFM Act, I do not think it is the reason why they are collapsing into one as we are now discussing. There is an element of discrimination here because this new scheme, the Public…

Thank you, Hon. Okuome. Next is the Member of Parliament for Embu County.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker for giving me this opportunity. I support the regulation of the Public Officers Medical Fund. My reason is that public officers sometimes exhaust the SHA money entitled to them. With this regulation, they will be able to bridge the gap without difficulty. Additionally, the amendment to this regulation will not only benefit former dependants, but will also allow …

Hon. Rindikiri Mugambi, Member of Parliament for Buuri.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I take this opportunity to congratulate the Committee for coming up with these regulations. We have a very big pool of people who have worked tirelessly for this country, including civil servants, teachers, service men and women, former ambassadors and other important people in our society. They sacrificed many years of service to this country. However, few peopl…

Thank you, Hon. Rindikiri Mugambi for those passionate contributions. There being no more interests, the Mover will now reply.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. As I reply, I would like to point out a few issues that have been raised by Members. First, this scheme will not attract any further contributions from public servants or those in the civil service. Therefore, there is no need for it to be on a voluntary basis because it will cover everyone already contributing under SHA. Concerns about the payslip should not be …

Public servants are in different categories, including State officers such as ourselves. We are categorised as State officers, just like many other Government institutions that are able to pay for their own staff. In this case, for those who have never had the avenue for their institutions to pay for them, this fund comes in handy. These are the civil servants who wake up very early and leave thei…

Thank you, Hon. Robert Gichimu. The Question to this Motion stands deferred to the future when the House Business Committee will next schedule it for consideration by the House. Next Order.

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Hon. Wangwe was to move this one. Do you wish to speak to it?

[(Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo spoke off the record)]

Hon. Temporary Speaker, this matter was raised earlier when the substantive Speaker was in the Chair. We need to be guided, because we have a Supplementary Order Paper. That is what we were told to refer to. Under the Supplementary Order Paper, Order 15 is the matter we have just concluded, from the

House of records, can we be clear on which Order Paper we are using? Is there another supplementary Order Paper, or is the one uploaded on the National Assembly website incorrect? What is the issue? Let us clarify so that the record is accurate. We do not want any busybody outside to raise questions or concerns that a matter was discharged when it was not on the Order Paper for the sitting. Thank…

Hon. Oundo, we are on Order 17, the

The Order Paper appearing on this gadget we normally use, lists Order 17 as the Kenya Roads (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.31 of 2024) , by Hon. Naisula Lesuuda, which is due for Second Reading. There must be some confusion somewhere.

Thank you for drawing that to our attention. I understand you to be saying that what appears on our digital system differs from the printed Order Paper. That will be followed up by the Information and Communication Technology Department. We will proceed using the printed Order Paper. We shall proceed in that manner. Hon. Members, I was informed by Hon. Wangwe that he would be out of the House on …