National Assembly · Afternoon Sitting

I will sit down so that the Hon. Members can walk in. Members, you may walk in so that I can proceed.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, may I seek your guidance on whether we can comment on this Petition now or wait until you go through the next one?

There is one more Petition, after which Members will have the opportunity to comment.

Hon. Members, Article 119 of the Constitution accords any person the right to petition Parliament to consider any matters within its authority. Further, Standing Order 225(2) (b) requires the Speaker to report to the House any Petition other than those presented by a Member. In this regard, I wish to report to the House that my office has received a Petition from the National Secretary Generals o…

Remuneration Commission (SRC) as requested by the National Treasury and the Ministry of Education. Hon. Members, the petitioners conclude by praying that the National Assembly urgently allocate funds for the full implementation of the 2017-2021 CBA of Ksh7,974,630,447 and allocate funds for the implementation of the 2025-2029 National CBAs. Given the nature of the prayers sought by the petitione…

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I want to comment on the first Petition and support the petitioners. As you know, it is rare for the Ministry of Education to appear here to address a matter of funding for Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM) . We heard them discuss issues related to the arts, including extracurricular programmes like drama and music festivals. Sciences are ofte…

Hon. Members, I seek your indulgence because I see there is a lot of interest in comments on these two Petitions. Allow me, for reasons best known to you, to deal with Order No.8, Order No.9 and Order No.10, which only require putting of the question. Thereafter, we will revert to Order No.4.

THAT, the House do agree with the Report of the Committee of the Whole House on its consideration of the Privatisation Bill (National Assembly Bill No.36 of 2025). (Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah on 8.10.2025 - Afternoon Siting) (Resumption of consideration interrupted on 8.10.2025 - Afternoon Siting)

Mover.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move that the Privatisation Bill (National Assembly Bill No.36 of 2025) be now read a Third Time. I request Hon. Naomi Waqo to second. But before she does, allow me to thank Hon. Members who were here at least up to 9 p.m. last evening to finalise the conclusion of this critical Bill. As we said during the Second Reading, this Bill is very timely in the history of ou…

On a point of Order, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

What is your point of Order?

It must be a point of Order, not just a nuisance.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Is it in Order for the Leader of the Majority Party to invoke the names of our colleagues, criticising them for not bringing an amendment? Amendments are brought willingly; perhaps they did not want to introduce them. This is also part of the protest. They protest outside, and here they are protesting by leaving the amendment as it is, so that you can pass it as you…

What is the point of Order there? That is a point of argument.

You are out of Order.

[(Laughter)]

Hon. Wanjiku Muhia was not present in the House. I only mentioned Members who shout in funerals and street rallies but are never here to legislate. The Member for Kipipiri was not in attendance and has no understanding of what this Bill entails. She has no idea of "share dilution." She is blank and has no idea about anything.

Leader of the Majority Party, let us proceed.

My last point was on share dilution. Part of the privatisation process addresses the dilution of shares in state corporations. We have ensured that if the state wishes to dilute its shares in any state corporations… For instance, we own approximately 35 per cent of Safaricom; if the State intends to reduce that shareholding to 25 per cent, we, as a House, must congregate.

On a point of Order.

What is your point of Order again, Hon. Muhia?

Is it in Order for the Leader of the Majority Party to assert that I was absent while I was seated right here? I even received a response to my statement on the roads. Is it appropriate for this leadership to address the absence of certain members in my group when attempting to inform their constituents that these Members are not present? I am in the House now. Why is the leadership creating a tra…

[(Loud consultations)]

Hon. Muhia, you have made your point. Let us restrain ourselves to the Motion.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I want Hon. Wanjiku Muhia to listen to me. Share dilution is 'reducing' in layman's language - from 35 per cent to 25 per cent - in the case of Safaricom. New Clause 76 is an amendment to the Public Finance Management Act, which states that any dilution of shares in a state-linked corporation requires Parliament's approval. Some corporations are quasi-private, with the state …

With that, I beg to move that the Privatisation Bill be now read a Third Time. I also request Hon. Naomi Waqo to second. Hon, Waqo was here with me until 9.00 p.m. I have no apologies when I say that some Members were not here. Hon. Wanjiku Muhia, Hon. Kibagendi, the Member for Kajiado, and Hon. Robert Mbui were not here. Even that rudderless, clueless and visionless group was not here. Thank you…

[(Laughter)]

Proceed, Hon. Waqo.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I second this relevant and timely Bill. I also appreciate the Members who supported and debated it passionately. It is our prayer that this will transform our country positively. Thank you.

[(Question proposed)]

Put the question!

[(Question put and agreed to)]

[(The Bill was accordingly read a Third Time and passed)]

[(Applause)]

Hon. Kimilu appears to be quite anxious, which may have caused some confusion on my part. Hon. Kimilu, you may proceed to move.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move that the Institute of Social Workers Professional Bill (National Assembly Bill No.17 of 2023) be now read the Third Time. I also request Hon. Millie Odhiambo to second. Before she seconds, I would like to thank the House for supporting this Bill. I also extend my gratitude to the Committee, which was resourceful in ensuring that the Bill progressed to the Third …

Thank you, Hon, Deputy Speaker. I second. I also thank Hon. Kimilu for bringing this Bill. I am very passionate about social workers. As he mentioned, my mother was a social worker. I was raised by a social worker and witnessed the excellent work she did for the community first-hand. We must honour social workers wherever they may be. Thank you, and I second.

[(Question proposed)]

Put the question!

[(Question put and agreed to)]

[(The Bill was accordingly read a Third Time and passed)]

Hon. Members, while I am still on my feet, allow me to recognise the presence of the following schools seated in the Public Gallery: Mukuru Transformers Secondary School from Embakasi South Constituency, Nairobi County; Kyaimu Comprehensive Mixed Secondary School from Mwala Constituency, Machakos County; Esoit Sampu Primary School Junior School from Kajiado East Constituency, Kajiado County, and K…

[(A Member spoke off-the-record)]

[(Applause)]

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I am the Member for Kajiado Central. I welcome the school from Kajiado East on behalf of the

area Member of Parliament, who is not in the House today. He is dealing with some tribal skirmishes in Isinya, which is very unfortunate. Let me take this opportunity to welcome the students from Kajiado East to Parliament. I urge them to work hard in their studies. The sky is the limit. The Members here took the same route as them. I welcome all the students to the House. Karibuni Bunge.

Thank you for welcoming our guests on behalf of the House.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I want to comment on the first Petition. In this era of technology, there is a need to incorporate Information and Communication Technology (ICT) into our curriculum. There is a need to include AI and other technologies in primary schools. However, as we consider this, it is unfortunate that in many parts of the country, especially the rural areas, students lack the…

Hon. Hilary, you have two minutes.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I rise to support this Petition. While at it, I call on this House and the Kenyan people to relook at our education system in its entirety. Even as we transition to CBE and STEM, it is worth noting that the component of agriculture is given a narrow line. Our education system taught us that agriculture is the backbone of our country. The saying ended there. We have…

On a point of Order.

What is your point of Order, Hon. Sunkuli?

…None of them is interested…

Allow your colleague to execute his point of Order. What is your point of Order?

The Member is saying that the Arts Degrees that made us who we are, the thinking subjects, are not practical subjects. We all support science, but we do not want people to stop thinking just because we want technocrats. We are here because we studied History, CRE, and other Arts subjects, but now we are talking about…

I think he stands corrected. Hon. Kosgei, maybe you can clarify. I do not believe he meant that those courses are not significant.

Yes.

He meant that we need these other subjects to propel us to the next industrial revolution. That is polite.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, besides that, my point was serious. Generation Z is no longer interested in farming and agriculture. In 20 years, who will feed them if they all flock to study ICT and other degrees? If we do not adopt educational measures that can stabilise our country's food security, it will become a foreign concept. We must make agriculture a mandatory subject in place of History, CRE, Geo…

I now give this opportunity to Hon. Nyikal.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I rise to support Petition No. 22/2025. Our lecturers have been on strike for a long time. Our kids are also in the streets. As the Public Petitions Committee looks at the Petition, one point that stands out is that these CBAs are drafted, and years later, they are not honoured. We would like the Committee to look at why we draft CBAs to end the strikes, but do not …

Hon. Members, before we continue, allow me to recognise the presence, in the Public Gallery, of Ng'arua Rironi Primary School, Kipipiri, Nyandarua County. I will give the opportunity to Hon. Wanjiku Muhia, Member for Kipipiri, to welcome our guests on behalf of the National Assembly.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I take this opportunity to welcome the school to the National Assembly. I want to inform them that this is the 13th Parliament. The National Assembly is the House where we make laws, as we voice our different opinions. It is a very good House. I pray that you work hard, and as you aspire to be leaders, you are welcome to serve the country in Parliament. In a special…

Member for Funyula, you will be the last one to comment on the Petitions.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I also rise to support the two Petitions, particularly Petition No. 22/2025. When the Cabinet Secretary was here yesterday, it seemed like we were talking at cross purposes, as a country. What the Cabinet Secretary and the lecturers are saying are completely different things. We hope and pray that the supposed mediation that is taking place today will narrow down th…

Hon. Members, we now move to the next Petition by the Member for Kiambu, Hon. Waithaka. Proceed.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I rise to present a public Petition on road reserves, pathways, and the protection of ancestral lands by the residents of Gitei Village, Kiambu County. I, the undersigned, on behalf of the residents of Gitei Village, Kirigiti Location, Riabai Ward, Kiambu County, draw the attention of the National Assembly to the following: THAT, Gitei Village is an ancestral sett…

[(authenticated in 1914)]

extending the corridor to 60 metres would result in exhumations, demolitions, displacement and irreparable intergenerational losses. THAT, Kenya Gazette Notice Vol. CV No. 59 of 6th June 2003 classified the Kiambu–Ruiru Road as C63 with a gazetted road reserve corridor of 40 metres, which has consistently guided contractors and residents since Independence. THAT, the then Ministry of Public Works,…

Thank you. Let us move to the next order, Papers. Leader of the Majority Party. Proceed, Hon. Waqo.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to lay the following papers on the Table:

Hon. Chairman, Departmental Committee on Labour. Who is reading it on behalf of the Departmental Committee? Hon. Chonga, proceed.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table: Joint Report of the Departmental Committee on Labour and the Select Committee on Diaspora Affairs and Migrant Workers, on its consideration of Sessional Paper No. 5 of 2023 on the National Policy on Labour Migration. Thank you.

Thank you. Next, a Member for the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs on behalf of Hon. Chairman. Hon. Stephen Mogaka, you may proceed.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table: Report of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs on its consideration of the Sexual Offences (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 78 of 2023) . Thank you.

Hon. Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Labour, or on their behalf. Who is giving the notice of Motion on behalf of the Departmental Committee on Labour?

I am here.

Proceed. You moved from where you were sitting.

No, I have just laid the Paper.

So you had to rush? Okay. Proceed.

I decided to go back. Thank you.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Joint Report on the Departmental Committee on Labour and the Select Committee on Diaspora Affairs and Migrant Workers on its consideration of Sessional Paper No. 5 of 2023 on the National Policy on Labour Migration, laid on the Table of the House on Thursday, 9th October 2025, and approves Sessional Pap…

Thank you. Next is Hon. Chairlady, Special Funds Account Committee. You have to stick to your chair because then I have to look for you.

[(Hon. Fatuma Mohammed made her way to her seat)]

Thank you and sorry. Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Fifth Report of the Special Funds Account

Thank you. Next Order. Hon. Chairlady, Special Funds Account Committee, do you have another one? You have two notices of Motion.

Yes.

It only shows one here.

Thank you once more. Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the 13th Report of the Special Funds Account

It seems to be a longer list.

Yes, I have so many. Thank you. Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT this House adopts the 10th Report of the Special Funds Accounts

Hon. Chairlady, you can just read the opening, then list down all of them, because you have gone to (f) .

Hon. Deputy Speaker, they are different funds.

Yes, but you can say that you are moving a notice of Motion on financial statements for one, commodities fund, two, stores and services, three, land, like that, so that it flows. However, it seems she does not have the same order as I do.

No, I do not have the same Paper. Kindly allow me to use mine.

Just proceed with the one you have here.

Thank you. Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the 11th Report of the Special Funds Accounts

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the 19th Report of the Special Funds Account

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Eighth Report of the Special Funds Accounts

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Seventh Report of the Special Funds Accounts Committee on its consideration of the Report of the Auditor-General on the financial statements for the Land Settlements Fund for the Financial Years 2020/2021 & 2021/2022 and the Railway Development Fund (Holding Account) for the Financial Years 2017/2018, 2…

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the sixth Report of the Special Funds Accounts

Has she completed all of them? I was trying to tick them. She has finished all of them.

Yes.

Okay. Let us move to the next order.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (a) , I rise to give the following Statement on behalf of the House Business Committee, which met on Tuesday, 7th October 2025, to prioritise business for consideration during the week. On Tuesday, next week, the House is expected to continue the consideration of the following Bills at the Second Reading stage, should they n…

Leader of the Majority Party, I think you should also instruct the Clerk to send a message to all the Committees.

Yes. However, more importantly, this applies to the Chairperson and Vice-Chairpersons of Committees and their Members who are considering Bills on behalf of their Members. They should ensure that they complete them so that those Bills do not lapse at the end of this Session, on the first week of December. Finally, the House Business Committee will reconvene on Tuesday, 14th October 2025, to sched…

Thank you, Leader of the Majority Party. Before we proceed to the next Statement, allow me to recognise the presence of the following school seated in the Speaker’s Gallery, Iloodariak Secondary School, from Kajiado West Constituency in Kajiado County. You are supposed to rise when you are recognised. I also wish to recognise the presence of the Nandi County Boda Boda Association from various con…

[(The students stood in their places)]

[(Applause)]

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker, for this opportunity. I rise on behalf of this House to welcome everybody who is a visitor to this House; the schools from various parts of the country, and the boda boda team from Nandi County. We know that boda boda people play a major role in our communities. I would like to tell them that Parliament is considering Bills to improve their safety. For instance, thi…

Thank you. We will now go to the next Request for Statement by Hon. Member for Nandi County, Hon. Cynthia Muge. You may proceed. Hon. Sunkuli, you are confusing the Member of Parliament for Nandi County.

[(Hon. Julius Sunkuli consulted loudly)]

[[The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Gladys Boss) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) took the Chair]]

Hon. Temporary Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security regarding the recent escalation of tension and killings in Kimwani/Chebonet areas in Tinderet, Nandi County. The security situation in Kimwani/Chebonet in Tinderet, Nandi County, has been delicate…

29th September 2025, the area witnessed violent confrontations that culminated in the tragic killing of two people, Jochim Kiprotich of ID No. 36199880 and Robert Kipruto Rugut of ID No. 38328399, maiming of several others and destruction of property. The situation remains tense, disrupting livelihoods and gripping the residents with fear and anxiety. Of great concern is the excessive force that t…

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

What is out of order, Hon. Millie?

Hon. Temporary Speaker, it is not often that we get to do or say this. I therefore seek your indulgence. Firstly, I am very happy that you have taken over as a "Madam Speaker" from another "Madam Speaker", which is very rare. It is always a "Mr Speaker."

I agree with you.

I have been observing Hon. Muge, who has just spoken as she sought a statement. It is hard to express myself, but I do not know how to put it. However, I feel such warmth when I see young women doing exceptionally well. I watched her yesterday, when she was contributing to my Bill in the Committee of the whole House. I have also been observing how she is ably representing her constituency.

There is no doubt about that, Hon. Millie.

We never say this. I can hear the men complaining, but you are too many! The point of order is, when there is a woman, that is remarkable. I do not know whether she is one of the people receiving a Presidential Award, and if her name has been put in as one of the people receiving the National Honours from this

House. However, these are the people who deserve to be recognised for their contributions in the House. She is doing an excellent job.

Thank you.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, if we do not recognise our own, who will? She is doing an excellent job.

Hon. Millie, I have indulged you because I agree with you that she is one of the young women who are doing very well. We have taken note of that. Hon. Members, let us go back to Order No. 7 Hon. Member for Marsabit County, go ahead with your Request for Statement.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security, regarding the disappearance of one Mr Jillo Guyo Boru of ID No. 21926678. Mr Jillo Guyo Boru was allegedly abducted on 22nd September 2025, between Dambala Fachana area and Sololo Makutano Centre while returning h…

Chairperson, Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security. How long do you need for both this one and the Request for a Statement by the Member for Nandi?

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I agree with your judgment that the two Requests for Statements were not in the Order Paper. But you are within your rights to allow them. Hon. Naomi's issue is urgent. I will give a response next Thursday.

Okay.

If not a conclusive one, at least a preliminary one. I need your indulgence regarding the second question sought by the Member of Parliament for Nandi, Hon. Cynthia Muge. This is because, looking through it, it is requesting an inquiry. An inquiry is not a statement nor a question. Is it an inquiry or a statement?

The week after recess.

I am asking whether it is an inquiry.

It is a request for a statement. The Speaker approved it as such.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, it is written 'an inquiry.' We need to confirm with the Member. She is here. The request for a statement is here with me. It reads in part that it is against this background that, pursuant to the Standing Orders, I seek an inquiry.

[(Loud consultations)]

Hon. Muge, when I look through your request for a statement, it looks like a statement to me. But when you mention the word inquiry, it becomes something else. Can you confirm that it is a matter of semantics, or that you meant inquiry? That means, of course, a deeper and longer time in terms of getting a response.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. As I stated in my request for a statement, numerous petitions have been presented to this House regarding the same matters, and we have yet to receive a tangible response to them. I thought that having an inquiry would provide a conclusive investigation into the matters that are happening there, as they recur every other time.

Chairperson, I think you are right, and what Hon. Muge is requesting is more than just a statement. I will give it a maximum of 60 days, as the inquiry is more in-depth and requires additional time and details. Let me give it 60 days.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I am well guided. Just to confirm, the Committee was there about two weeks ago as part of our fact-finding mission. We visited Nandi and specifically, Tinderet. I confirm that the concern raised by the Hon. Member about some sporadic cases of insecurity merits an inquiry.

All right, we will go to the next request for a statement as per the Order Paper. Member for North Horr, take the Floor and.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, pursuant to provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) c, I rise to request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security regarding the plight of IDPs in Marsabit County. During the tribal clashes that occurred between 2017 and 2021, over 600 households in Marsabit County were displaced due to socio-political violence. Thes…

four years, resided in makeshift tents, temporary shelters, and camps in Marsabit County in dire and deplorable conditions. The IDPs lack access to basic needs such as water, food and proper sanitation conditions. The government's provision of relief food to affected households is intermittent and unsustainable; therefore, there is a need to permanently resettle the families. Furthermore, the IDP…

Order, Hon. Mwenje. You are totally out of order. Continue, Hon. Member.

This House also approved the allocation of funds towards the resettlement process, but the government has failed to take steps towards implementing it. The continued delay in the resettlement, rehabilitation and re-integration of the Internally Displaced Persons (IDPs) in Marsabit is a crisis that needs to be addressed urgently. Hon. Temporary Speaker, it is against this background that I request…

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Once again, aware that we are going on recess, possibly next week, allow me to bring a response a week after we return.

That is in order. Next is a request for a Statement by the Member for Kiambu, Hon. Machua.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) c, I rise to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations regarding the delayed payment of a subcontractor for the works undertaken in construction of the Environmental Conservation Gallery at Uhuru Gardens by the Ministry of Defence. Hon. Tempor…

The delayed payment raises concerns regarding the accountability of government supervision of projects undertaken by foreign contractors who engage local sub-contractors. Hon. Temporary Speaker, it is against this background that I request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign

Very well. I do not see the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations, nor the Vice-Chairperson. In this case, I will task Whip of the Minority Party, Hon. Millie Odhiambo, who is a Member of that Committee, with obtaining the response by the first week after we resume from recess. The next Statement is by the Member for Wajir West. Are you in the H…

Hon. Temporary Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs regarding compensation of Wagalla Massacre victims. Wagalla Massacre, which occurred on 10th February 1984, was a dark chapter in the history of our country. More than 5,000 people lost their lives after sec…

Are you done?

Yes.

[(Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona and Hon. Kangogo Bowen spoke off the record)]

I do not want to allow comments on Statements. You know our Standing Orders. Hon. Bowen, what do you mean by saying that you do not want to comment? If it is not a comment, then it is a statement.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, the Member has raised an issue on the compensation of Wagalla Massacre victims. There is a team which was formed by His Excellency, the President, some months ago, for compensation of those people who were killed and brutalised during the demonstrations. There is a need to expand that team to include the victims of the Wagalla Massacre and banditry victims in Kerio Valley, …

Hon. Bowen, you can bring a Statement to that effect. The Member is very specific about the Wagalla Massacre victims. He has said this is the second time he has requested this Statement. We should allow him to get the response specifically on the Wagalla Massacre victims. Whip of the Minority Party, do you want to speak on the same Statement?

Thank you. Hon. Temporary Speaker, you notice that this is the second time, this afternoon, that we have talked about victims. There were Internally Displaced Persons (IDPs) who were victims of post-election violence, and then Wagalla Massacre victims who suffered excessive state power. I brought before this House the Victim Protection Act, which is a law. Would I be in order to request that as th…

Perfect. Where has the Chairperson disappeared to? The good thing is that the requests for Statements on Wagalla Massacre victims and IDPs are all going to the same Committee. The Statement on IDPs will be considered by the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security. The Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs will consider the Statement on compensation of Wagalla M…

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

What is out of order, Hon. Member for Wajir West?

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I have brought this matter to this House twice. This is the second time I am requesting a Statement. The relevant Committee Chairman is not in this House, and you have not tasked anyone to bring the response.

It is already committed to the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs. Do we have the Chairperson? He is not here. Is there any Member of the Committee? Hon. TJ, you are a senior Member of that Committee. Can you hold a brief for your Chairman?

For a moment. I thought my Party Leader, here, was propping me up for failure. I can hold brief for my Chairman.

Bring the response the first week after we come from recess.

That is alright.

Thank you. Member for Kipipiri. Hon Members, you can now see the need for having your cards. You make the work of the Clerks-at-the-Table very difficult when they keep looking for where you are seated.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request a statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure regarding the delayed construction of the Geta–Ndunyu Njeru Road Project. It is also known as the Captain–Ndemi/Wanjohi– Kwa Matu–Geta–Kahuruko–Ndunyu Njeru Road in Kipipiri Constituency. Construction of …

Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure.

Two weeks after we come back from recess.

Two weeks after recess?

Yes.

What is out of order, Hon. Mwenje?

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I take your guidance on that issue seriously. But there is something that is of importance that I want to bring to your attention and the attention of the House, which is related to what Hon. Wanjiku Muhia has raised. Hon. Temporary Speaker, the Road Maintenance Levy Fund (RMLF) released Ksh36 million to 22 per cent and Ksh10 million to 10 per cent. As you are a…

You have made your point. Hon. GK, do you want to say something about it?

I advise the Hon. Member to request a Statement, so that we can avail a comprehensive response.

On this, Hon. Mwenje, I have indulged you. Hon. Chairperson, on this one, because it is a very live issue in this House, please come with a response on it. I know you can do it from the Ministry because it is urgent and important. Member for Luanda, request for your Statement.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of the Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I wish to request a statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure, regarding operational effectiveness and customer service standards of Kenya Airways, also known as KQ. In recent years, there have been increasing concerns from the public and tourists over the manag…

Airlines had a smaller flight than KQ, but has since expanded significantly, now operating a larger flight and serving more passengers, while KQ's growth has been limited. Over the years, significant resources have been used to support KQ operations and restructure its finances. Reports on its management raise concerns about how long the taxpayer is expected to bear the burden of funding KQ's los…

Hon. GK?

Hon. Temporary Speaker, two weeks.

Two weeks?

Yes.

So, it means after recess?

Yes.

The first week after recess?

Yes.

Very well. We now go to statements to be responded to. We will start with Hon. Tongoyo. Where is he? He seems not to be in. Hon. GK, can you go first if you are ready? You have the Floor.

Thank you. Hon. Temporary Speaker. The Member for Tarbaj, Hon. Barre Hussein Abdi, requested a statement regarding funding for the construction of the Wajir-Tarbaj-Kotulo Road. Hon. Barre Hussein Abdi, in the request, sought the following:

Before I give the Member for Tarbaj the Floor, allow me to recognise in the Public Gallery, if they are still there, students from Oldonyo Nyokie Primary School, Kajiado West Constituency, Kajiado County. Kindly be upstanding if I have mentioned you in the Gallery. Allow me to join other Members in welcoming them to observe the Proceedings of the House. Member for Tarbaj, are you satisfied with o…

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I thank the Chairman for the effort made. However, I need certain clarifications from the Chairman or the Committee. This section of the road is part of the Horn of Africa Road Project that has been popularised by the President on several occasions and platforms. This road is very important because that part of the country has waited for close to sixty years. Now…

First, I seek clarity on two aspects of the funding of the project: the loan component and the grant component that form part of the financing. Second, on the CSR project, there is the non-monetary social project provided by the contractor, such as water trucking to some settlements like Sango and Elben, and boreholes that were done. That is the non-monetary social aspect done by the contractor. …

Hon. G.K., do you have that information?

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I will organise and coordinate a meeting between the Member and the Principal Secretary so that the issues raised are addressed satisfactorily. Thank you.

Member for Tarbaj, the rest of the details can be discussed with the Committee in a tripartite meeting with the Ministry.

That is fine, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

[(Hon. Onesmus Ngogoyo raised his hand)]

Very well. Member for Kajiado North, why are you lifting your hand?

I seek your indulgence. The good Chairman, Hon. George Kariuki, had committed to this House to respond to my question today on the compensation of the people of Kenya Railways who have not been compensated for eight years. He has not mentioned a word, and I would want to know because he had committed to bringing the response today.

Hon. G.K., do you have that answer?

Hon. Temporary Speaker, the Cabinet Secretary has not yet submitted the response. Still, we will follow up and ensure that it is read out here during the first week after the recess. Thank you.

Very well, first week after recess. Member for Wajir East, are you in the House? The one with the question being responded to? If he is not in the House, the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security, kindly table the response for the Member. Do not read, just table.

No, I will not, but I know the Member. He has been persistent on this kind of Statement. With your indulgence, can we reschedule it for next week when he will probably be in the House?

Hon. Chairman, I have given direction. If you have a statement to be responded to, you are supposed to be in the House. Allow us to table it. It remains the property of the House. The Member can access it from the Table Office, and if there is any follow-up, he can do so with you.

Well guided, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I table.

[(Response to a Statement Tabled)]

Very well. We have exhausted that Order. We can go to the next one.

the Table of the House on Tuesday, 30th September 2025 and approves Sessional Paper No. 5 of 2024 on the National Green Fiscal Incentives Policy Framework.

This is to be moved by the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Environment and Forestry. It shall be deferred to the next appointed time.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Select Committee on Regional Integration on its consideration of reports of the East African Legislative Assembly at the Fourth Meeting of the Second Session of the Fifth Assembly, laid on the Table of the House on Wednesday, 24th September 2025. I stand to represent my very able Chairperson and …

You still have the Floor.

Okay, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I will be brief, as many Members, including those on my Committee, have indicated that they wish to speak on this Motion. In the interest of time, I will address the issue of partner state contribution that the Committee considered and recommended, which should be based on Gross Domestic Product rather than equal shares. The East African Community (EAC) mirrors the E…

known GDP, also contributes USD8 million. So, time and again, Kenya, Uganda, and Tanzania continue to contribute. However, a few other countries consistently fail to do so, not because they do not want to, but because they lack the capacity. Hon. Temporary Speaker, when we look at EAC, we have a population of approximately 340 million people. What is the population of America? Approximately 347 m…

one of the saddest stories. If the Members of EALA could be allowed to introduce bills, instead of waiting forever for the Council, something like a PFM Act would have been realised, and the best practices of financial management would have been achieved. There are also issues of political and financial support that should be extended to the Lake Victoria Basin Commission (LVBC) and the Lake Vict…

Very well, Member for Marsabit.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for allowing me to second this Motion as requested by the mover. I wish to congratulate Hon. Wanjiku Muhia for ably moving the Motion. She is a Member of the Committee, and we have a very able Chair who is also very committed to ensuring that this Committee progresses well. The Mover has covered every aspect because she has vast experience. During her time as ou…

I have gone through the Report, which I participated in preparing. I once again congratulate our Committee because we gave it a lot of attention. We also had a retreat in Mombasa, where we had representation from the Ministry. The Principal Secretary was present, and he gave us a better understanding of the workings of the EAC. Many of us have known about EALA and the struggles they go through. Ho…

Very well. We will start with the Member for Seme. The microphone is roving. It is back to you.

[(Question proposed)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. As I rise to support the Report, I also feel a bit sad. From where I sit, we are not progressing. We are going backwards. If you look at the Report, half of it is devoted to the budget, including the implementation of the budget, the supplemental budget, and the report on the Budget Estimates for the financial year. There are only…

The mover expressed the desire that this should actually lead to the unity of East Africa and Africa as a whole. In 1958, when Ghana gained Independence, Kwame Nkrumah called all the newly independent African states to Accra, Ghana. They resolved to get independent and then sit down to unite. He proposed that, 'As you get independence, let us unite, come in and join an existing institution.' Obvio…

Hon. KJ?

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I thank you. I thank Hon. Wanjiku Muhia, a very consummate East African who has served in EALA. I also see in the House the Hon. Jematiah Sergon, also a former Member of EALA. A raft of reports has been tabled here. Hon. Temporary Speaker, allow me, on my behalf and on behalf of the people of Dagoretti South, to also send my condolence messages to the Member of Parliament …

ought to ask ourselves is if slavery was that bad, and if colonialism was that bad, what can be said about this form of liberalism we call democracy? This is a democracy that identifies our countries only as individual states: Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, South Sudan, Burundi and Rwanda. These are one people. What keeps us apart is not borne out of our people. The problems we see, even as presented in…

Hon. Members, this Motion has a balance of two hours. Hon. KJ, you will have your balance of two minutes when it is put in the Order Paper.