National Assembly · Afternoon Sitting

Hon. Chepkong’a and Hon. Hassan, take your seats or the nearest seats. Hon. Members, I wish to welcome you back to the House from the just concluded long recess. I believe you are geared up to embark on the legislative business as the House commences the Second Part of the Fourth Session which is characterised by the consideration of the Budget and related business. Therefore, it is christened as …

Hon. Members, as you are aware, the First Part of the Fourth Session ended on a sad note for the National Assembly and, indeed, the country, following the tragic shooting of the Member for Kasipul, Hon. Charles Ong’ondo Were, on Wednesday, 30th April

Hon. Members, Standing Order 42 (2) relating to Messages from the President provides that—

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. In consideration of your Communication, it may not be my place to speak, as my Chairman is present, but I do not wish to lose the moment. Having forwarded the nominees to the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs, I was hoping you would provide further direction in light of events that have since occurred. The Chairperson, Hon. Murugara, informed us and we we…

And No. 4, if I may assist, whether a parliamentary process can be injuncted.

Indeed, I had canvassed that within the first point, by asking whether in light of the nature of the orders given, the process may continue or be suspended. I believe that is the most fundamental issue.

Absolutely, Senior Counsel. My mind is very clear. I shall give you directions tomorrow. Both yourself and Hon. Murugara and, indeed, your Committee, may wish, after the Prayer Breakfast tomorrow, to come to my Chamber, so that we may have a jurisprudential tête-à-tête. Hon. Bashir, you appear very mobile today. Can you take your seat? Thank you.

[(Hon. Major (Rtd) Abdullahi Sheikh stood in the gangway)]

Hon. Members, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 42, I wish to convey a Message from His Excellency the President regarding the nomination of persons for appointment as members of the National Police Service Commission. In the Message, His Excellency the President conveys that in exercise of powers conferred on him by Articles 246 (2) and 250 (2) of the Constitution and section 6 (5) of …

Hon. Members, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 41 (4) relating to Messages from the Senate, I wish to report to the House that I have received a

Deputy Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table of the House:

Chairperson of the Committee on Regional Integration. Who is the Chairperson? Hon. Irene, go ahead.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the House:

Thank you. Next Order by Hon. Junet Mohamed.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 33 (1) , I beg to give notice of adjournment of the House to discuss a definite matter of urgent national importance regarding threats by the former Deputy President on recurrence of post-election violence in the country. While attending an interview on 16th May 2025, the former Deputy President was on record alluding to recurre…

Do you have the requisite support?

Yes.

[(Several Members stood up in their places)]

The support is overwhelming. Take your seats, Hon. Members. I will direct that this matter be disposed of in the shortest time possible. I will allocate one and a half hours to the Motion starting at 4.00 p.m. this afternoon. In the event we get to 4.00 p.m. while still having business like statements, they will be stepped down, go to the Motion, and then thereafter we can proceed with what is lef…

[(The students stood up in the Gallery)]

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I take this opportunity to welcome all the schools which are here to Parliament and, in particular, my school, Syungii Secondary School, which I work with. I want to encourage all the students who are here to work very hard so that one day, they can aspire to be Members of Parliament and senior public officers. Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker.

Thank you Next Order.

Member for Kilifi, Hon. Gertrude Mbeyu. Where is she? Is Hon.

Hon. Amina Mnyazi, Member for Malindi. Go ahead.

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request for a statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Health regarding the impact of the recent withdrawal of United States Agency for International Development (USAID) funding on healthcare financing in the country. On 20th January 2025, the USA President Donald J. Trump issued an Executive O…

Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Health, how much time do you need to bring a response?

We will get the response in under two weeks.

In under two weeks. Can you do it next week?

Yes, I can do it next week.

Okay, Thursday next week.

Hon. Amos Mwago? Hon. Amos Mwago, Member for Starehe. For the third time, Hon. Amos Mwago? The request for statement is dropped. Hon. Members, I will have a re-organisation of the order of business in a small way. I am sure you have seen your Supplementary Order Paper. We can go to Order No.8 for the Leader of the Majority Party to move a Procedural Motion. Thereafter, we do First Readings at Ord…

[(The request for statement dropped)]

The Leader of the Majority Party.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Before I move, allow me to take this opportunity to welcome Members back for this Session after the three weeks working recess. I also want to thank all Members, especially those who are members of departmental committees, for taking the time during the recess to consider the Budget Estimates for the next Financial Year and the Supplementary III Budget Estimates. I thank t…

[(Calendar of the Assembly)]

[(Hours of meeting)]

Hon. Millie.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. This is a fairly straightforward matter. I second.

[(Hon. Yegon remained upstanding)]

Hon. Yegon, take your seat. Order, Hon. Gikaria! When you come to sit closer to the Speaker, you should be better armed with order.

[(Hon. Gikaria consulted loudly)]

[(Question proposed)]

Put the Question!

Hon. Members, is it the mood of the House that I put the Question?

Yes! Next Order.

[(Question put and agreed to)]

Thank you. We will go back to Order No. 7 on statements and responses to statements. The Member for Saboti, Hon. Caleb Hamisi. Is he in the House? Hon. Tongoyo, this is your response, and the Member is not in the House. So, we will skip that. The Member for Kilgoris, Hon. Julius ole Sunkuli. Again, Hon. Tongoyo, Hon. Sunkuli called the Speaker to indicate that he is away in Geneva. I request that …

[(Hon. Caroli spoke off the record)]

Hon. Speaker, it is quite unfortunate that we do not have the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock. However, so much is happening in the sugar sector that is causing a lot of disquiet to farmers and other stakeholders. The Chair has to take this matter very seriously. That is part of the reason I have come to caucus with Hon. Wangwe and the other Members from western Ke…

The Leader of the Majority Party, please ensure that the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock responds to this Statement on Tuesday afternoon. Hon. Dekow Barrow, Garissa Town. He is in the House. The Chair of the Departmental

Hon. Speaker, we responded to this, but the Member said he is not satisfied. We have called the Cabinet Secretary to appear before us on Tuesday. We will be inviting the Member of Parliament to attend the meeting.

Tuesday next week?

Yes, Tuesday next week.

Is that 3rd June?

Yes, 3rd June.

Hon. Lekuton, you go and prosecute your Statement before the Committee on Tuesday.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I will do that.

Hon. Martha Wangari, Member of Parliament for Gilgil, response from the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning. Hon. Wangari, I recall that I gave the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning authority to sit for the whole of today to take public views on the proposed Finance Bill. They are legitimately away. We will stay your request to next week. It can be put for…

Hold on. Hon. Members, my record shows that Hon. Raso had concluded his contribution to this Motion. Yes, Hon. Owen Baya.

Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. On the Motion under Order No.11, we conversed. Members agreed, and the interest was overwhelming. The most important things were said that day. If you allow, then we could ask the Mover to reply on this Motion so that…

You do not need to make a speech.

[(Laughter)]

Exactly like you have said, Hon. Speaker. I beg to request that the Mover be now called upon to reply. Thank you.

Is that the mood of the House?

Yes.

Mover. Is that Hon. Koech or Hon. Bashir? Hon. Bashir, go ahead and reply.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to reply.

[(Hon. Richard Yegon stood up in his place)]

Order, Hon. Yegon, Take your seat.

[(Question put and agreed to)]

Yes

Hon. Wangwe, proceed to move your Motion.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Third Report of the Public Investments Committee on Social Services, Administration and Agriculture on its consideration of the Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial Statements of the following State Corporations, laid on the Table of the House on Tuesday, 30th July 2024.

Go on.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. KNH had many issues, but let me go to the next agency. The other agency we looked at was the Kenya Medical Supplies Authority (KEMSA) , specifically on issues to do with staff costs. The Committee observed that a similar audit query had been raised in the 2016/2017 Financial Year. Our current observations are as follows: The Board had approved an establishment of 341 staff…

Hon. Wangwe, I think that is a convenient point to disrupt your moving of the Motion. You have 37 minutes to go. I direct that you stop there as a convenient position and reorganize your thoughts for continuation when we return to you. Hon. Members, I now call upon the Leader of the Minority Party to move a Motion of Adjournment, which has been allocated one-and-half hours. It will, therefore, be …