National Assembly · Afternoon Sitting

Hon. Members, before we go to the next Order, allow me to recognise delegations from the Parliaments of Uganda and Zambia. I wish to recognise two delegations of staff from the Parliaments of Uganda and Zambia, seated in the Speaker’s Gallery. The delegation from Uganda comprises seven members of staff drawn from the Directorate of Serjeant-at-Arms, and the delegation from Zambia comprises six mem…

[(Hon. Opiyo Wandayi consulted with Hon. Members)]

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Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, taking into consideration the findings of the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations in its Report on the Vetting of Nominees for Appointment as High Commissioners, Permanent Representatives and Ambassadors, laid on the Table of the House on Tuesday, 7th November 2023, and pursuant to the provisions o…

approves the appointment of the following persons as High Commissioners, Permanent Representatives and Ambassadors:

Thank you, Chairman. Hon. Musa Sirma, Chairman of the Select

Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, taking into consideration the findings of the Select Committee on the National Government Constituencies Development Fund in its Report on the Vetting of a Nominee for Appointment as a member of the National Government Constituencies Development Fund Board, laid on the Table of the House on Tuesday, 7th November 2023, and pursuant …

Thank you. Next Order.

Hon. Members, at Order No.11 on Committee of the whole House on the Kenya Drugs Authority Bill (National Assembly No.54 of 2022) , the report from the winnowing process on the myriad amendments to the Bill has just been tabled by Hon. Mathenge. The House Business Committee directed that the Office of the Clerk and

the technical team of Parliament will go through the report against the previous amendments that were proposed so that they ensure that what has been agreed upon is reflected in the report. You know how contested many of the clauses were during the Committee of the whole House stage. So, the matter will be stepped down this afternoon and may find itself back in the Order Paper tomorrow afternoon o…

Hon. Members, the record shows that the last Member to speak on this was Hon. Makali Mulu, and he had exhausted his time. I will give opportunity to any other interested Member. The screen is full; I do not know whether it is for this Motion. Hon. George Murugara, Hon. Geoffrey Ruku, Hon. Samuel Atandi and Hon. Beatrice Elachi, are you all queuing for this? Order, Hon. Members. Now that those who…

Call the mover to reply.

Is it Hon. Musa Sirma or the Leader of the Majority Party? Chairman of the Decentralised Funds Accounts Committee. Hon. Mulyungi, Member for Mwingi Central. Hon. Robert Mbui, where is your member? Any member of the Committee. Who is the Vice-Chair of that Committee? Hon. Ruku, are you a member of the Committee?

[(Hon. Ruku GK spoke off the record)]

No, I am not a member of the Committee.

What do you want to say? I have called for a reply. Order Hon. Ruku. When I called you to contribute, you said you had no interest. We are not calling anybody to contribute as a matter of last resort. Who is the Vice-Chair?

[(Hon. Ruku GK spoke off the record)]

Hon. Speaker, I reply.

Go ahead.

I beg to reply, Hon. Speaker.

Technically, that is enough; morally, it is not tenable.

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Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Sports and Culture. I saw him walk in. Yet again, Hon. Ichung’wah.

I was made to understand that Hon. Naomi Waqo will move on behalf of the Chairperson and Hon. Caroli will second because they are both Members of that committee.

Go ahead, Hon. Naomi Waqo.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. This is a Motion on the 1970 UNESCO Convention on the Means of Prohibiting and Preventing the

Illicit Import, Export and Transfer of Ownership of Cultural Property, that this House adopts the reports of the Departmental Committee on Sports and Culture…

Go ahead.

Hon. Speaker, let me repeat. I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Departmental Committee on Sports and Culture on its consideration of the 1970 UNESCO Convention on the Means of Prohibiting and Preventing the Illicit Import, Export and Transfer of Ownership of Cultural Property, laid on the Table of the House on Thursday, 12th October 2023 and pursuant to t…

Hon. Naomi Waqo, you have not moved the Motion because you just read it. What is it about? Leader of the Majority Party, it is important that you rein in your Chairpersons. The fault is not Hon. Naomi Waqo’s. In my many years in this House and the other House, I have never heard of a Motion being moved like that. Before that, Hon. Dan Wanyama, the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Spor…

[(Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah spoke off the record)]

Hon. Speaker, I apologise. I was here earlier and I went to attend to a very urgent issue. So, I have just walked in. I am sorry.

Hon. Members, this is not just for Hon. Dan Wanyama. In future, if your matter is on the Order Paper and you want to step out, assign the duty to your Vice- Chairperson, with the moving notes, then you can come back and contribute. Do not just walk out without instructing anybody. Poor Hon. Naomi Waqo, she was trying to rescue the House with no instructions or facts. It is not right for the House,…

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. We canvassed this matter in the House Business Committee (HBC) . This morning, it was an agenda in our Parliamentary Group meeting, on the commitment of our Chairpersons and Vice-Chairpersons. As you have rightly said, if the Chairperson is not there, there is no reason why the Vice- Chairperson should also not be there. As a House, we are all very frustrated with the perf…

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Thank you, Hon. Members. I do not want to open debate on that issue. The Leader of the Majority Party has spoken for you. Order, Hon. Wanjiku Muhia. I do not want to open debate on that, but I want to send a general caution to all of you. Order, Member for Thika Town. We are talking about chairpersons who are not performing. I want to send a general warning like the Leader of the Majority Party …

[(Hon. Wanjiku Muhia consulted loudly)]

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Hon. Kimani Kuria, Chair of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I admire the zeal and understanding that the Chair of the Committee on Regional Integration has on matters of regional integration. Hon. Karemba here is saying that she is also passionate in those matters. Therefore, in future when I become President, we have agreed she will be the Cabinet Secretary for Regional Integration or EAC. Hon. Muhia also talked about th…

Hon. Kuria, you have heaped praises until you forgot to move your Motion. Please move your Motion properly as in the Order Paper before going to the details.

Okay.

Whereas I agree with you, the Motion has to be properly moved first before you move to the explanation.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning on its consideration of Sessional Paper No.1 of 2023 on Kenya National Population Policy for Sustainable Development, laid on the Table of the House on Wednesday, 4th October 2023, and further that his House approves Sessional Paper No. 1 of…

respective fields. If you recall, Kenya is even on the record for donating the former President of the United States of Africa, His Excellency Hon. Barack Obama. That tells us the quality of human capital that we have as a country. In formulating the Fourth Sessional Paper No.1 of 2023 on the Kenya Population Policy for Sustainable Development, the National Council for Population Development adopt…

and miscommunication around contraception and family planning. Some of them are as a result of conflicting messages being given by the political class and religious leaders. On matters of human development that I alluded to earlier, the Human Development Index (HDI) summarises the country's achievement in providing its citizens with quality education, health care, longevity and the necessities to…

competition of resources. Therefore, I urge all decision makers including those in this House, that when making decisions, let them be based on data so as to ensure we send resources where they are most required and will have the greatest impact in the society and country. Hon. Temporary Speaker, with that, I beg to move and ask Hon. Adipo Okuome a member of my Committee, to second.

Member for Karachuonyo.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me an opportunity to second Sessional Paper No.1 as explained very strongly by the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning. This Paper is very rich with what we need. A country without a policy on its population is lacking so many vital issues necessary for the well-being of that population. Education is key to our po…

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

[(Question proposed)]

Mhe. Spika wa Muda, ninakushukuru kwa kunipatia nafasi hii. Hata ninamskia Mhe. Muhia akicheka kwa kunisikia nikizungumza lugha ya Kiswahili. Mhe. Spika wa Muda, ninakumbuka nilipokuja katika hili Bunge mara ya kwanza, niliweza kuchanganya lugha ya Kiswahili na lugha ya Kimombo. Nilirekebishwa na kuambiwa kuwa hatufanyi hivyo. Ninakumbuka kuwa niliona watu kwenye mitandao wakinukuu Maiden Speech …

[(Hon. Silvanus Osoro spoke off the record)]