National Assembly · Afternoon Sitting

House to either approve to hold morning Sittings on Thursdays or extend its sittings to create more time for consideration of the said business. As you may have noticed, from the Order Paper for the afternoon sitting of Wednesday, 26th July 2023, and on today's Order Paper, several individual Members’ Bills have been slotted for Second Reading. This practice will continue for the rest of this Ses…

Members at the back, please, take the nearest seats. Hon. Members, as you are aware, the Anti-Money Laundering and Combating of Terrorism Financing Laws (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.35 of 2023) was read the First Time on 26th July 2023. The Bill was thereafter committed to the relevant

Committees for public participation in accordance with the requirements of Article 118 of the Constitution and Standing Order 127. Subsequently, the Clerk of the National Assembly placed an advertisement in the print media inviting the public and stakeholders to submit memoranda on the Bill in accordance with the requirements of public participation. Hon. Members, the Anti-Money Laundering and Co…

Hon. Members, may I implore the two Committees to prioritize consideration of the Bill and report to the House, soonest. Given that the Bill is also informed by various international obligations which require the country to have in place a robust legal framework to combat money laundering, financing of terrorism and proliferation of weapons, the House must move expeditiously to conclude the matter…

On a point of order, Hon. Speaker.

Yes, Deputy Leader of the Majority Party.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I want to commend you especially on the first issue of Private Members’ Bills. More often, Members prepare Bills and send them to Committees and they journey for four years as the Bill is tossed from one Committee to another. Eventually, the House adjourns sine die and those Bills are lost. If you would recall, when we started this Session, there was a long list of Bills t…

Indeed, Hon. Members, particularly Chairpersons of Committees, the French say: ‘‘Noblesse oblige’’ - Nobility carries responsibility. Committees are not going to be parking bays for Members’ businesses or any business of the House. For any Member whose matter is forwarded to a Committee for consideration, after 30 days, you are at liberty to communicate to the Office of the Speaker that the Commit…

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Hon. Speaker, today, we do not have Papers.

What about the Chairperson of the Public Petitions Committee.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table of the House:

Thank you, Hon. Mbai. Hon. Atandi, is that the matter over which you wanted to make an intervention?

Thank you for giving me the opportunity. I brought a Petition before this House a while back and the Public Petitions Committee has submitted their Report. I am going through the Report and I have established that the recommendations of the the Committee do not agree with the prayers that were made by the petitioners. For example, one of the prayers laid before the House was that Parliament finds …

Thank you, Hon. Atandi. Yes, Hon. Yusuf of Kamukunji. Ordinarily, we do not debate Reports on Petitions when they come here.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I also have an issue with a Petition.

Yes.

I brought a Petition twice, on behalf of Kiswahili enthusiasts on the formation of the National Kiswahili Council.

I recall it.

It has died in the process twice because the relevant Committee did not take it forward. The idea of forming a National Kiswahili Council was fully supported by this House. It is a very popular decision. It has also been approved by the Cabinet. I am out of words because I do not know what else I can do if we have brought it here twice. It was time barred in both occasions because the Public Petit…

Hon. Nimrod Mbai, what is the fate of the Petition on the National Kiswahili Council?

To be honest, I have not received the Petition by Hon. Yusuf, who is the Member for Kamukunji. I commit that it will not die the moment we receive it. It will see the light of the day this time round. You will get a Report from the Committee. To respond to the concerns of the Member who brought the Petition about Cytonn Investments Management PLC, we did our best. Today, we are giving Notice of M…

The next Order is by the Member for Gatanga, Edward Muriu.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, aware that Article 43 (1) (f) of the Constitution as read together with Article 53 (1) (b) entitles every child to free quality and compulsory basic education; cognizant of the fact that access to funding for education immensely contributes to the realisation of universal access to basic education in the country; appreciating that …

Yes, Hon. Wandayi.

Hon. Speaker, I am sorry for interrupting the order of House business but I am curious. I am sure you can use Standing Order 1 to indulge me. A while back, Hon. Samuel Atandi raised very serious issues here. This is a House of records. In his submission, he made comments to the effect that the Report that has been tabled in the House this afternoon is a cover up.

I heard him.

Yes. He was saying so on the basis that the issues raised in the Petition in question were not addressed conclusively by the Committee. I had a discussion with the Chairperson of the Public Petitions Committee this morning. We agreed that he needs to be given time to run the Committee. If we leave the matter that was raised by Hon. Atandi unaddressed and hope that it will be addressed at the time…

Hon. Mbai.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. When the Committee receives any Petition, there is the petitioner and other stakeholders involved like the witnesses and accused. Even in courts of law, you can take a case before a judge but the judge may give a ruling which does not satisfy you. That does not give reason or an opportunity to call it a cover up. We listened to several shareholders and witnesses on the ma…

involved or the Committee did a good job. It is very unfair to say that there is cover up because the Committee has not made recommendations in the Member’s predetermined manner. Thank you, Hon. Speaker.

Hon. Atandi and Leader of the Minority Party, under Standing Orders 208 (A) (C) and 227 (2A) , the Committee elected a Chairperson to not only bring a report to the House but to also move the House to debate its findings. That gives you an opportunity to bring material that you think the Committee has overlooked or left out to validate your assertions. We can allow the Chairperson to give Notice o…

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I have the Notice of Motion but before I proceed, I request for your indulgence. Thank you for your wisdom and the fatherly manner in which you reprimanded my Committee yesterday. We took it positively. We will improve on the issues that were raised. I am satisfied that you are fit to hold that seat. If it was held by a rogue person, we would have been thrown under the bu…

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Hon. Charles Nguna adds a third reason for you not being there – That, you would probably be boxing somebody. I believe it is with a light touch. Go ahead and give your Notice of Motion.

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Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Public Petitions Committee on its consideration of Public Petition No.7 of 2022 regarding Probable Loss of Investments in Cytonn High Yield Solutions Platform, laid on the Table of the House on Thursday, 24th May 2023. I thank you, Hon. Speaker.

Well done. Next Order.

Hon. Speaker, I rise on behalf of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs to give a progress report on the Committee’s consideration of the Conflict of Interest Bill (National Assembly Bill (No.12 of

is of the view that more time is required to look into the fundamental issues that are contained in the Bill. Hon. Speaker, I wish to report that, pursuant to Standing Order 127(5), the Committee has already conducted public participation in accordance with Article 118(1)(b) of the Constitution as read together with Standing Orders 127(3) and 127(3A). However, a number of justice sector instituti…

Hon. Mutuse, you have done the right thing but the 90 days luxury is not available to you. You were supposed to have finished your work in 30 days. I will give you an additional two weeks to finish your work and bring the Report. You cannot exhaust your 30 days and come here to ask for triple the period required under the law. Yes, Leader of the Majority Party.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I was engaging with Hon. Pukose and that almost slipped through. Indeed, 90 days is a very long time. Maybe, we can allow them 45 days maximum for them to engage all the stakeholders. Ninety days will take us to the next Session, which is next year, considering the House recess times. Hon. Speaker: The Anti-Money Laundering and Combating of Terrorism Financing Laws (Amend…

Hon. Speaker, thank you very much for your favourable consideration to our request for extension of time. We oblige to go by your direction. We wish you could consider the fact that the Committee is already considering many other Bills, including the ones that you have given us. We had a discussion in the Committee and we have already engaged some of the stakeholders. Some of them had indicated th…

Okay, you will have 30 days. However, make sure that at the end of the 30 days you do not ask for any more extension. I have allowed you to come back to the House to ask for extension. However, there are many committees whose businesses are not completed by the lapse of 30 days and their Chairpersons do not bother to come back to the House. Leader of the Majority Party, we will now go to Question…

Next Order.

Is Hon. Chepkonga in the House? Hon. Chepkonga, Order No.10 will be called out and I will give you five minutes to prosecute it so that we go to Questions.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. The reason I am sitting here this afternoon is because Hon. Mbai decided to take over my seat. He has acquired it without giving notice. So, I have decided to look for a seat somewhere else. This is not my ordinary place. Because he has not been coming to the House, I have ceded the seat to him. I beg to move the following Procedural Motion: THAT, pursuant to the provisio…

Instrument by the National Assembly, this House resolves to extend the period for

Hon. Bashir.

Hon. Speaker, I second.

Thank you. Order, Members. Hon. Pukose, take your seat or freeze where you are.

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On a point of order, Hon. Speaker.

Yes, Leader of the Majority Party.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker, for your indulgence. I commend Hon. Chepkonga for seeking this extension. I would just like to caution Members because Hon. Chepkonga is aware that certain aspects of the second item, which is the Universities Regulations, 2023, seek to amend the Universities Act. We requested that he ensures that matters touching on university funding are not amended using regulations. If…

Hon. Chepkonga, I hope you get those concerns.

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Members, we will now go back to Order No.7. We have disposed of Statements and we now come to Questions. The first Cabinet Secretary to appear this afternoon is the Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development. Yes, Hon. Osoro.

Hon. Speaker, I seek your indulgence to appreciate the students who have visited Parliament today, in particular, those from Nyamondo Secondary School in South Mugirango. I felt it wise to formally appreciate them on the Floor of the House because that school is located in the remote areas of my constituency. For them to find their way to Parliament is quite motivating. It reminds me that I first …

Thank you. Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture… Order, Member for Muhoroni. Hon. K’oyoo, this is not part of Muhoroni Constituency, is it? Thank you.

[(Hon. James K’oyoo spoke off the record)]

Hon. Speaker, I beg to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development the following Question: Could the Cabinet Secretary-

Thank you, Hon. Caroli Omondi. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development : Thank you, Hon. Speaker, for this opportunity. We are happy as a Ministry to subject ourselves to the authority of this House, which represents the people of Kenya, to answer Questions on matters that regard our Ministry. I seek your indulgence, Hon. Speaker. There is supplementary…

[(Hon. Mithika Linturi)]

Thank you but even if Hon. Caroli was not your good friend, you have a duty to answer the Question.

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Hon. Speaker, I rise to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development the following Question: Could the Cabinet Secretary-

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development : Hon. Speaker, the Government is making efforts to attract companies to produce certified cotton seeds in the country. In order to attract suppliers of BT Cotton seeds in the country, we advertised for expression of interest by suppliers on 20th April 2023. By 27th June 2023, potential companies had applied and th…

[(Hon. Mithika Linturi)]

developed a three-year production target plan for cotton production on 40(?) acres in the Financial Year 2023/2024 and 60,000 in the Financial Year 2023/2025. In collaboration with the Governor of Busia County, on Friday we will be launching the growing of cotton on 11,000 hectares of land. Due to the collaboration and support from other partners, in another two or three months’ time, we are going…

Hon. Speaker, I thank the Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development for responding and coming up with the necessary action. Being a Member of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock, I am very proud of his undertaking. Bwana Cabinet Secretary, you should invite me to that meeting in Busia so that I can tell them that I got the message to you and you have acted on …

Alright. The Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development : Hon. Speaker, I will direct my Principal Secretary to carry him in his chopper on Friday so that he can take part in this very important event.

[(Hon. Mithika Linturi)]

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Hon. Speaker, I have never been in a chopper. So, please, I beg to be on that trip.

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Thank you, Hon. Salasya. Your excitement is understandable. Is that the Member for Bura?

I am the Member for Langata.

Member for Langata, do you grow cotton in Langata?

No.

Go ahead.

We do not grow cotton in Langata but I was born and brought up in a cotton-growing area. Hon. Kaluma can attest that Homa Bay County

and the larger Kisumu area have the best black cotton soil. While I was growing up, cotton was the only agricultural activity that used to happen in Homa Bay. We used to have the Homa Bay Ginnery. As we speak today, the ginnery is closed and there is no sign of cotton plantation there or a sign of intervention by the Government to bring back cotton growing in Homa Bay. As you go to Busia, Bwana Ca…

Thank you, Jalang’o. Who is the member next to you? Yes, Hon. Oku Kaunya.

Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. I ask the Cabinet Secretary to give us an assurance that the idea of launching the programme will be followed up with a serious and robust distribution of seeds to farmers. The reason I am saying we need an assurance is because two years ago, I attended the launch of BT Cotton in Busia. The promise was that seeds would be available to farmers the following year. …

Thank you, Hon. Speaker, for that opportunity.

Hon. Kirima.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. As the Cabinet Secretary talks about taking cotton to Busia, as Hon. Salasya mentioned, could he tell us if all the former cotton growing areas like Central Imenti will benefit from this BT Cotton? We have a ginnery lying idle because no cotton is on the ground. Can the Cabinet Secretary guarantee that he will make sure that fertilizer will be distributed to the sub-count…

The Cabinet Secretary, answer those three questions. The Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development : Hon. Speaker, I appreciate the concerns of the Hon. Members. I assure them that under the Kenya Kwanza Plan, the bottom-up economic transformation agenda, cotton is one of the key value chains that this Government is serious about. Under the Agriculture and Food Authority (AFA) …

[(Hon. Mithika Linturi)]

asking for finances to meet those demands because this important House appropriates, kindly support us.

Thank you. The next Question. Will you also give out fertilizers alongside the seeds? That is what Hon. Kirima wanted to know. The Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development : Hon. Speaker, I have just come from a press conference with the President where he explained the measures his Government has taken to support farmers. Today, we agreed with the governors that we would part…

[(Hon. Mithika Linturi)]

Thank you, Waziri. On the next Question, 155/2023, the Member for Mogotio, Hon. Reuben Kiborek, has sent me a letter saying that he has nominated Hon. Korir Adams, Member of Parliament for Keiyo North, to ask the Question on his behalf. Hon. Korir, go ahead. Question 155/2023

Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. My colleague is not here because he is bereaved. Hon. Speaker, I rise to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development the following Question:

Hon. Korir, do you have a Supplementary Question? Let us start with you.

Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. I do not have a direct supplementary question. I request that Hon. Jematiah from Baringo be given a few minutes to…

You cannot solicit a chance for any Member to ask a question. Hon. Korir, you are out of order. Hon. Jematiah is a very competent Member of Parliament. If she wants to ask a question, she will seek space.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker, for the opportunity to get clarification from the Cabinet Secretary. You have mentioned that you will give technical support to promote the processing of hides and skins. We know the biggest challenge in the country on why we have never harnessed this industry is because all abattoirs are old. They are old from Independence time. The country has no modern abattoir except …

We will take Hon. Pauline.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I have two questions…

Only one.

Only one? Okay. I know that the President and the Kenya Kwanza Government have put in place programmes to reduce the cost of living. One of them is to provide subsidized fertilizer to farmers. We have a section of Samburu County where people grow crops. As far as I am informed, Samburu County is one of the priority counties you are giving subsidized fertilizer. I wanted to know why that is the cas…

You want to know why you are a priority?

Why we are not a priority county.

Why are you not? Okay. Thank you, Hon. Pauline. Go ahead, Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development : Hon. Speaker, let me reply to the supplementary question from the Deputy Speaker. As of today, the Government is almost at the level of operationalizing Kinanie Leather Park.

[(Hon. Mithika Linturi)]

We are mopping up the skin and hides through Ewaso Nyiro and the Ministry’s Department of Arid and Semi-Arid Lands to get them properly processed, and do the best for the country out of leather. We are interested in ensuring that other abattoirs are operational. In the long-term, we want to have six other abattoirs operational. Some will be in Baringo. I can confirm that in supporting this progra…

Generally, as a Cabinet Secretary, you must have facts about your Ministry at your fingertips. If you have facts, you can answer the Member. If you are not ready for it, you can seek indulgence from the House. The question was very simple. Why is Samburu County not on your priority list for giving out subsidized fertilizer? If it is, you can say it. If it is not, you can explain. The Cabinet Sec…

[(Hon. Mithika Linturi)]

Thank you. We will allow you to write to the Member and give her details of what you are providing to Samburu. The next Question 224/2023 is by Hon. Oku Kaunya.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker.

Sorry, Hon. Kaunya. I have skipped one question. I will come back to you shortly. Let us have Question 223/2023 by the Member for Keiyo South, Hon. Gideon Kimaiyo. Sorry, I am running ahead of everybody. Question 156/2023 by Hon. Gitonga Mukunji. Go ahead. Question 156/2023

Hon. Speaker, I rise to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development the following Question: Could the Cabinet Secretary explain the steps that have been put in place to protect macadamia farmers from poor pricing and to improve market prices for macadamia nuts in the country? Thank you.

The Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development (Hon. Mithika Linturi): Thank you, Hon. Speaker. To address the problem of poor macadamia prices and, of course, recognizing that prices are quite low, we are trying to develop macadamia grading guidelines so that farmers can grade their macadamia in line with requirements in terms of quality to gain maximum out of what they produce.…

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I thank the Cabinet Secretary for the answer. This is not an issue we are engaging him for the first time. I would like to know the status of his public announcement that he is to open the export of raw macadamia. Could he also name the five companies he has licensed so that I share the same with my people to know where they can get good prices? I also want the Cabinet Se…

Hon. Kemei.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Let me be one of the joyriders you are calling out to ask a question. It is not about the crop mentioned but crops related to it because small-scale farmers grow them. I am concerned with sweet potatoes in some parts of Kericho, Soin and Kipkelion West. Sorghum and millet are grown in Arid and Semi-Arid Land areas.

What plans in technical support and ready markets has the Cabinet Secretary for these small-scale farmers? We have seen sweet potatoes in some markets outside the country. The middlemen always buy them from the farmers at a low price, yet farmers put a lot of money and time into the crops. May the Cabinet Secretary let us know his plans for such crops.

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development : Hon. Mukunji, I said I had licensed nine companies, not five. I am in consultation so that I get their full names. I do not want to mislead the House. However, I am sure they are nine. If I were to mention them, I would only remember some off head. We will be sharing the information and names with you. I have lic…

[(Hon. Mithika Linturi)]

Thank you, Cabinet Secretary. Hon. Agnes Pareyio on Question 222/2023. Sorry, Hon. Agnes. There is a reflection of light behind the Hon. Member. I cannot see your face.

My name is Hon. Kenneth Kazungu Tungule.

Yes, Hon. Tungule.

I have a supplementary question for the Cabinet Secretary. I want to know the steps the Cabinet Secretary has to protect cashew nut farmers in Kilifi County. They face the same problems as the macadamia nuts farmers. I want to know whether the steps he mentioned on protecting macadamia nuts farmers will also apply to cashew nut farmers in Kilifi County, a cashew nut growing area. The farmers are …

produce. Are there any measures the Ministry has put in place to protect these farmers so that they can get good prices for their crops? Thank you, Hon. Speaker.

Hon. Kemei is protesting because he did not touch on sweet potatoes. You can deal with sweet potatoes and cashew nuts. The Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development : Hon. Speaker, let me first deal directly with the question that has just been raised by the Member representing cashew nut farmers. Under AFA, we have Oil and Nuts Directorate. This is where cashew nuts, macadami…

[(Hon. Mithika Linturi)]

Hon. Kemei.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Sweet potatoes are grown in Kericho, Soin and Kipkelion West. However, there is no ready market. We have small-scale farmers who the middlemen exploit. What plans does the Ministry have in connection with that? There are some supermarkets outside the country which sell sweet potatoes. I went to Geneva, and I found some. However, our farmers are just there. Thank you, Hon.…

[(Hon. Mithika Linturi)]

Within every county we operate, we will support the creation of cooperatives to allow farmers to run their businesses and money to organize themselves and borrow money as revolving funds within the wards. This is ward-based. The Member of Parliament will wait for some time. We may not have an instant answer to the problem. There is a structured way of addressing our long-term problems through the …

Thank you, Cabinet Secretary. Do you have an answer to Hon. Caroli Omondi's Question before I go to Hon. Agnes? The Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development : Not yet Hon. Speaker.

[(Hon. Mithika Linturi)]

Hon. Agnes Pareyio. Question 222/2023. Question 222/2023

Hon. Speaker, I rise to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development the following Question: Could the Cabinet Secretary -

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development : Hon. Speaker, the Eneng’eetia NCPB depot is a known depot that was commissioned in 1978 and has stored cereals and beans with a capacity of 55,000 bags of 90kgs. It is located

[(Hon. Mithika Linturi)]

Agnes. Are you satisfied?

Yes. Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I want to thank the Cabinet Secretary for answering my questions. Again, I want to bring to his attention that my constituency has four sub-counties. That is the Central and Narok North. Olekurto is situated in Narok North where too many farmers are engaged in farming wheat, barley and maize. This season we need a dryer for the maize because we have a lot of maize in …

Thank you, Agnes. That is a statement of appreciation. Question 223/2023 is by Hon. Gideon Kimaiyio, the Member for Keiyo South. Question 223/2023

Hon. Speaker, I rise to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection the following Question: Could the Cabinet Secretary -

[[The Speaker (Hon. Moses Wetang’ula) left the Chair]]

[[The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Gladys Boss) took the Chair]]

Okay. You may proceed to answer the Questions. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection : Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I also thank the Member for asking the Questions. I want to respond to the first question on the number of Kenyans working in Saudi Arabia. Kenyans working in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia are found in the following sectors:

[(Ms. Florence Bore)]

Okay. Follow-up Question by the Hon. Member for Kesses. Hold on, it seems that the owner of the Question wants to ask a follow-up first.

Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. The Cabinet Secretary has given us a very good and an elaborate proposal on what should be done to protect our Kenyan citizens who are working in Saudi Arabia. We have more than 200,000 Kenyans working in Saudi Arabia. And as you have seen, 185 Kenyans died in the last two years. There are a number of measures that the Cabinet Secretary has put in place, …

[(Ms. Florence Bore)]

Member for Kesses. Just one Question.

Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker for this opportunity. Allow me first, to applaud the Cabinet Secretary, Ms. Florence Bore for the good steps that she has taken. Before I ask my Question, and probably not to take you back to what you have already said, Kenyans are keen, and are following these proceedings. In your discussion, I did not hear of some steps that you have already taken throu…

Hon. Member, you are going to a different topic that is not related to the Question.

That is a joyrider Question, Hon. Deputy Speaker and since she is…

I think I will just let Waziri answer the first Question that you asked. The second one is not relevant to the original Question. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection : Thank you Member of Parliament for Kesses. I went to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia in February and we were able to engage with the Minster for Labour and Social Development, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. That disc…

[(Ms. Florence Bore)]

Thank you. I think we will go to Question 089 of 2023. Hon. Robert Basil. Member for Kesses, you will notice that the upcoming Question is what you were trying to ask. You were trying to ask a Question through the back door which is not yours. Hon. Robert Basil, proceed. Question 089/2023

Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I rise to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection the following question: Could the Cabinet Secretary:

Cabinet Secretary, proceed. The Cabinet Secretary Labour and Social Protection : Thank you, Hon Speaker. The Children Act, 2022, Section 144 (e) states that a child whose parent or guardian has been detained, held in custody or imprisoned or is in remand, is a child in need of care and protection. The Kenya Prisons Service, in collaboration with the Ministry of Labour and Social Protection and …

[(Ms. Florence Bore)]

Hon. Yegon.

Thank you Hon Deputy Speaker. The Questions have been well answered. Could I get the printed answers for the two Questions that I asked for the purpose of follow up?

Thank you. Any follow up Questions? Hon. Catherine.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I am very impressed with our Cabinet Secretary today. The overhaul that she has spoken about is promising. About the slavery, I just want to know what happens if people go there as Christians and they are forced to change to a religion that the employer wants. I do not know if you have done something about that. It is discrimination. Do we have data on what they go…

Hon. Catherine, what is happening is that you are asking the previous Question and the Cabinet Secretary has already answered it. So, you have been overtaken by events unless you want to ask about the children in prison because that is the Question that we are on at the moment. Cabinet Secretary, allow a follow up question by Hon. Fatuma.

[(The Cabinet Secretary spoke off record)]

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. It is not a follow up Question but a point of information to the Cabinet Secretary and Hon. Catherine. I am a Muslim and I know a little bit of what happens in Muslim countries. They do not force you to…

I want you to stick to the Question. You are now answering the Question for the Cabinet Secretary. No, that was not the Question. We will proceed to the next Question. The next Member who is supposed to ask Question 091/2023 is the Member for Machakos County, Hon. Joyce Kameme. Let us stick to the rules of the Standing Orders. The Question that will be answered by the Cabinet Secretary will be …

[(Hon. Fatuma Mohammed spoke off record)]

Let us move on to Question 092/2023 by the Member for Kirinyaga County, Hon. Jane Maina. Question 092/2023

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I rise to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection the following Question:

Considering that some of the effects of cancer are physical loss of body parts like limbs, hands, breasts and other adverse effects like loss of sensory, mental, visual, hearing, learning or physical infirmities that condemn them to permanent disability, could the Cabinet Secretary explain why such cancer survivors, including those in Kiambu Constituency, are denied eligibility for registration as…

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, and Member of Parliament for Kiambu, Hon. Machua Waithaka for the Question. Registration of persons living with disabilities is provided for under the Persons with Disabilities Act, No.14 of 2003. Section 7 (1) (c) of the Act mandates the National Council for Persons Living with Disabil…

[(Ms. Florence Bore)]

Yes, Hon. Waithaka.

Thank you, Cabinet Secretary. I would like to ask a Supplementary Question. An oncologist is a doctor who treats cancer and provides medical care to persons diagnosed with cancer. As a Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection, are you aware that we have a shortage of oncologists in our

hospitals? Two, what steps are you undertaking in your ministry to employ enough oncologists in all hospitals across the republic? Hon. Temporary Speaker, I will continue. Cancer survivors undergo five stages that affect them in life. They are physical, emotional, mental, financial and social. Have you considered giving them special privileges like PWDs? Considering cancer is a third killer disea…

I think that is enough. Yes, Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Thank you, Member for that Question. I may not be able to answer that Question because I do not know the number of oncologists we have. That question may be referred to my colleague in the Ministry of Health.

[(Ms. Florence Bore)]

Hon. Waithaka, your second Question has beaten the aspect of relevance in your supplementary question. Honestly, you have completely gone to a very different Question that the Cabinet Secretary may require more time to research on. If you look at it, it may require another Cabinet Secretary to deal with it. Cabinet Secretary, you may say as much as you can on that and that will be it. Any other Qu…

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. My name is Hon. Lekuton, Member for Laisamis.

Order, Member. For neatness, if you want to ask a supplementary question, press the intervention button.

I have a supplementary question, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I would like to ask the Cabinet Secretary a Question that was raised earlier by Hon. Gonzi Rai. I am interested in it because we need to know the structures of how these beneficiaries are identified. How do we know the people in that committee who identify the beneficiaries in the villages out there? That is the Question that I did not hear …

Again, that borders on the issue of relevance to the Question we are dealing with. However, stay around because I noticed Hon. Gonzi Rai has a number of questions that will deal with that matter. Is there any other question? Yes.

Asante sana, Mhe. Spika wa Muda. Swali langu kwa Waziri ni kuhusu huduma zinazotendeka katika ofisi yake kama mambo ya saratani. Lamu ni kisiwa. Mna mpangilio gani kwa sababu huu mpango wa wazee umeleta shida kwetu Lamu? Afisa anakaa Mji wa Lamu. Kutoka Mji wa Kiunga, gharama ya usafiri ya mzee hadi Mji wa Lamu ni Ksh4,100. Pesa anakuja kuchukua ni hiyo Ksh4,000. Inakuwa ni shida sana. Tafuta nji…

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection : Asante, Mhe. Spika wa Muda. Asante kwa swali ambalo nimeulizwa na Mhe. Rubani. Ni kweli watu huwa wanaenda safari ndefu na wanatumia ile pesa ambayo wanaenda kuchukua. Kwa hivyo, kama Wizara, tunataka kufanya mazungumzo na shirika la Safaricom, ili watu

[(Ms. Florence Bore)]

wasitumie pesa nyingi kwa barabara wakienda kuchukua hiyo pesa. Mazungumzo yanaendelea. Hata wiki hii, tuliongea na Safaricom ndio wazee wapate hiyo pesa nyumbani. Shida ni kuwa hawa wazee hunyang’anywa pesa saa zingine na caregivers. Mzee anaweza ambiwa pesa haijaingia na kumbe iliingia. Kijana anachukua hiyo pesa anatumia. Kwa hivyo, tutafanya mipango mizuri ya kuhakikisha beneficiary ameshika …

There being no other interest on that particular Question, let us move on to Question 189/2023 by the Member for Mombasa County, Hon. Zamzam Mohammed. I am in possession of a letter where Hon. Zamzam, as per our Standing Orders, nominated Hon. Mishi Mboko to ask this Question on her behalf. Proceed, Hon. Mishi Mboko. Question 189/2023

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. On behalf of the County Women Representative for Mombasa County, I want to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection the following Question. Could the Cabinet Secretary:

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. The response to the first Question is that Article 54 Sub-Article 1 of the Constitution provides that persons with disabilities should have reasonable access to public amenities. he Persons with Disabilities Act No.14 of 2003 provides a legal framework to promote access for persons with …

[(Ms. Florence Bore)]

Hon. Mishi.

I thank the Cabinet Secretary for the well-detailed answers to the questions. Cabinet Secretary, you have taken good measures to ensure that PWDs have their rights. Are you going to put a time frame for implementing these policies? We have good laws regarding the rights of PWDs but the issue is enforcement. Enforcement is not being done. Has the National Council for People with Disabilities regist…

money and access to education. For example, there is only one school for visually impaired persons, that is, the Salvation School for People with Disability, which is in my constituency. How many such schools do we have in the entire country?

Order, Hon. Mishi. Your question has turned into a speech. Ask the question.

This is a supplementary question on what she has just said. If we do not have these facilities, then we are just doing public relations and it will not be actualised. What are the measures or strategies that they are going to put in place to ensure that whatever she has said is going to be implemented? The Cabinet Secretary also talked about a policy. What is the time frame? Are we just going to b…

Hon. Mishi, the issue with the time frame came out clearly. Cabinet Secretary, you may proceed. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker and Hon. Mishi Mboko. If you heard me well, for us to improve the disability space, my appeal to this House is that the policy on disability has been in draft for long. It has not been passed. Enact the Persons …

[(Ms. Florence Bore)]

Any other supplementary questions? Cabinet Secretary, I agree with you that part three) of the Question is relevant to the Ministry of Cooperatives and Micro, Small and Medium Enterprises (MSMEs) Development. Also part four except for the first part talks about discrimination in the provision of employment and why skilled locals are usually bypassed. This lies under your docket as the Cabinet Secr…

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. This is the Member for Thika Town, Hon. Alice Ng’ang’a. Thank you, Cabinet Secretary. There are many people who want to help people living with disability. Most of the equipment or items they use are imported, but once they land in our country at the Port of Mombasa, they experience a lot of difficulties clearing them yet they are intended to help our people liv…

put them in the system. We have even improved the card such that even with a phone, you are able to identify a person with disability as the legal holder of that card.

Very well. Cabinet Secretary, you have talked about the cards for the welfare and goodness of Kenyans. However, the cards have continued to change from one type to another at the cost to the people living with disability. I hope you are seized of this matter. What are you doing towards that because they keep on changing the card at their cost? Proceed to say something about that as we move to the …

[(Ms. Florence Bore)]

[(Hon. Omboko Milemba)]

Thank you Hon. Temporary Speaker. On behalf of the people of Kinango Constituency, I want to ask the Cabinet Secretary Question No.190/2023. Could the Cabinet Secretary:

Proceed, Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, and the Member for Kinango Constituency, Hon. Gonzi Rai for the Question. My response is that there were some delays in the payments of the Inua Jamii Programme beneficiaries for a period of seven to eight months, from November 2022 to May

[(Ms. Florence Bore)]

Hon. Gonzi Rai.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, while I appreciate what the Cabinet Secretary has stated, could she state what caused delays in this disbursement knowing that the beneficiaries are not on any payroll, but depend on these funds for their survival, and that they live in arid and semi-arid areas? Secondly, I expected the Cabinet Secretary to tell us when fresh registration of elderly persons under this prog…

[(Hon. Alice Ng’ang’a spoke off-record)]

No, Hon. Alice. Hon. Gonzi Rai, do you want to be informed on your Question?

Not really.

Proceed.

[(Hon. Gonzi Rai consulted with Hon. Alice Ng’ang’a)]

Hon. Gonzi Rai, that is not how we conduct parliamentary business. Proceed and execute your matter. Hon. Member, you will be given permission through the Speaker.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. The second question was on when the Government will resume fresh registration under this programme. The Cabinet Secretary has already indicated that she will increase the number of beneficiaries by 500,000. When will the Government resume fresh registration so that we have a definite timeframe? That will help us to plan how to start whipping the people for purpos…

Yes, Hon. Alice. Do you have a supplementary question? If so, proceed.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I rise to add to what the Member has talked about. I am in charge of that programme in the National Assembly and the beneficiaries receive money every month.

What is your point of order? You are yet to become a Cabinet Secretary.

[(Laughter)]

done before. His Excellency the President gave us a directive that the beneficiaries be paid before the rest of the salaries are paid because the beneficiaries are vulnerable and poor. Indeed, they have been paid. My joy is that this vulnerable group has finally been paid. They are being paid on a monthly basis, something that has never been witnessed before. Two, I said 500,000 beneficiaries wil…

Order, Hon. Gonzi! Order,

Hon. Temporary Speaker, first I appreciate what the Cabinet Secretary is doing in this Ministry. The concern I want to raise is that, in view of the fact that we come from ASAL areas, when there are these kinds of delays, we need some mechanisms to be put in place to see how we can cushion our people. Some of them have lost their lives as a result of the delay. That is why I asked that supplementa…

Hon. Gonzi Rai, what is the question?

Hon. Temporary Speaker, we know the Cabinet Secretary has plans to increase the number of persons, but we want to know when the programme is starting. We do not want to be told at the end of the year when the programme has already been undertaken.

The question is put. Thank you. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Once we get the funds, we will start paying the 500,000 people. However, we should not have a problem of delays anymore because we have made a deliberate effort to ensure that, going forward, they are paid on time on a monthly basis.

[(Ms. Florence Bore)]

That gives us a chance to move to Question 326/2023. Member for Keiyo South, Hon. Gideon Kimaiyo, proceed. Question 326/2023

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Before I ask my Question, through you, I had a rejoinder on the Question by Hon. Gonzi Rai.

That matter is spent. Proceed with your Question.

Okay. Thank you. Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection the following question: Could the Cabinet Secretary–

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Thank you, Member for Keiyo South, Hon Gideon Kimaiyo. My response to the Question on unemployment is that unemployment, underemployment and the poor working conditions have been identified as one of Kenya’s most difficult and persistent problems. The employment challenge is also reflec…

[(Ms. Forence Bore)]

and training institutions and industry, inadequate labour market information, weak framework for provision of employment services and coordinated administration of labour migration, gender inequality, and inadequate health and safety measures at workplace. The Kenya Kwanza Government has continuously articulated the need to create sufficient employment opportunities to absorb the country’s growing…

Metkei, Maoi, Epke, Kocholwo, Chepsigot, Kapkwony, Mosop, Chemoibon and Tumeiyo locations. The figures are there for the older persons, orphans and people with severe disabilities. I am sure the Member will see that. I submit.

Very well. Hon. Member.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker and the Cabinet Secretary for the response. I have a supplementary question on that. You mentioned Kimwarer Dam, which is very dear to the people of Keiyo South. It was supposed to be constructed by the previous regime, but it was cancelled under circumstances that we did not understand. You alluded that it would give us jobs. I am sure you consulted the Cabinet Secretary f…

Cabinet Secretary The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker and Hon. Gideon Kimaiyo for the Supplementary Question. On Arror and Kimwarer dams, any project that comes anywhere will always generate jobs. We look forward to those new projects. On when it will start, I am sure my colleague in the Ministry of Water and Sanitation will give us a favoura…

[(Ms. Florence Bore)]

Yes, supplementary question from Hon. Ruweida Mohamed.

Asante. Swali langu kwa Waziri ni kama lile tu. Sisi Lamu mipangilio yote inayotokea kwa Serikali tunasahaulika. Ningeomba nipewe utaratibu kama vile umepeana kwa Mbunge mwenzangu. Lamu Mashariki waliopata ni kina nani? Jiajiri Lamu Mashariki sioni. Uwezo Fund Lamu Mashariki kutoka nilipokua Mbunge Muwakilishi wa akina mama, nimeenda mbio mpaka sasa hakuna, haiendelei. Youth Enterprise Fund ni shi…

Order. Hon. Member, ask the question please.

Bw. Spika wa Muda, mipangilio ya Serikali ni kuwacha Lamu nyuma au ana mipangilio gani ndio haya matatizo ya Al-Shabab yaishe? Kwa sababu kama vijana hawahusishwi katika mipangilio hii ndio inasababisha hayo mambo yanayotokea Lamu. Kisha mwakilisha wadi jana ameshambuliwa na mke wake amefariki.

Order. Let us have the Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker and Hon. Ruweida. Nimesikia kilio cha watu wako. Nimesikia maswali mawili ambayo umeuliza. Moja tu ndilo langu. Hilo la kwanza unataka orodha ya waliofaidika kutoka Eneo Bunge ya Lamu Mshariki. Iko tayari, na ninaomba nipatiwe muda niweze kuileta siku nyingine ama …

[(Ms. Florence Bore)]

Very well. Hon. Member for Lamu East, you will have an engagement with the Cabinet Secretary. She has been magnanimous to even include up to your own constituency. We move to the next Question, which is Question 327/2023. Hon. Member for Machakos Town, Hon. Caleb Mule. Question 327/2023

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. On behalf of the people of Likoni, I rise to ask Question 328/2023. Could the Cabinet Secretary –

Minister, you notice that there is a lot of repetition. That shows the importance of your Ministry on matters related to the Inua Jamii Programme. Proceed.

The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Ms. Florence Bore): Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. On the Question asked by Hon. Mishi Mboko on the comprehensive list, I have given numbers. However, it is not as comprehensive as she would have wished to include the names of the beneficiaries. These beneficiaries are under the protection of the Data Commission. We cannot give their name…

Yes, Hon. Mishi.

Thank you, Cabinet Secretary, for a well-detailed response to my Question. I just want to ask a few supplementary questions.

Very well. Any other supplementary questions? Yes, Member for Migori County. Proceed. Each time you want to ask a supplementary question, just put your card in the intervention slot and we will see you. Proceed, Member for Migori County.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for the opportunity. I come from Nyatike Sub-County in Migori County. It came to my attention that other civil servants in the constituency are paid hardship allowances except the police. I would like to know why that is happening. Secondly, I understand you are supposed to protect the vulnerable, including orphans and the poor. There are situations where someon…

I think the first question may not fall under the docket of the Cabinet Secretary, but she may proceed to answer the second one. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker and the Member of Parliament for Migori. I hear you. We have cases where parents die leaving their children orphaned. There are people who run after the children. As a Ministry, …

[(Ms. Florence Bore)]

Next is Hon. Joseph Lekuton.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. I had a question on the committee members who participate in identifying beneficiaries of the Inua Jamii programme. I am not necessarily interested in the criteria used, but who are the people identifying beneficiaries to receive money in the constituency?

Cabinet Secretary, for the sake of the Member who had requested that particular response from you, please, proceed and answer that question. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Let me clarify this one more time. Beneficiaries of the Inua Jamii programme are identified by our officers together with the local administration. However, because …

[(Ms. Florence Bore)]

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

What is out of order, Hon. Gonzi Rai?

Hon. Temporary Speaker, what we need is clarity. The answer we are always getting is about those who are benefitting already. We are talking about the committee that is mandated to determine who qualifies and who does not. We have been told to go and reconstitute the committees. Can we just get a circular from the Cabinet Secretary that shows the people who are supposed to be members of that parti…

I still give you this chance, Cabinet Secretary, because I notice there is a challenge. I have been approached as the Temporary Speaker by the Members of Parliament to ask you to identify those individuals who are doing that job. So be very clear on this matter and rest it. A further request has been made to your Ministry to do a circular indicating the officer who is in charge of recruitment and …

[(Ms. Florence Bore)]

That should rest the matter because you have said that the list is in the Speaker’s Office. I will take it upon myself to ask the Speaker, using his machinery, to circulate the same to all the Members, so that it is clear who they are dealing with. We move to the last Question of the day and this is by the Member for Kinango again, Hon. Gonzi Rai, proceed. Question 329/2023

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I rise to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection the following Question: Could the Cabinet Secretary explain why civil servants in Kinango Constituency are not eligible for hardship allowance like teachers in the same constituency and what steps the Government is taking to address this concern by the civil servants?

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Hon. Gonzi Rai, the Question you have asked is not related to my Ministry. It is related to the Ministry of Public Service, Gender and Affirmative Action. You may direct it there.

[(Ms. Florence Bore)]

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, once you receive a Question, which is not within your Ministry, please, always notify the clerks so that we can deal with it accordingly. Indeed, the Question may require another ministry to handle it. Yes, Hon. Gonzi Rai.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I agree with the Cabinet Secretary, but my concern is that this Question was directed to the Cabinet Secretary eight weeks ago. Why did she wait all this time only to come and say that it belongs to another ministry? This means that the Question will start another journey and we do not know when it will come back to the House. There are people who are suffering b…

[(Ms Florence Bore)]

Thank you. I will ask the Clerks- at-the-Table to defer this Question because Questions really queue. By the time they arrive here, it is a process. I want, with magnanimity, to ask the Clerks to defer this Question. When the relevant Cabinet Secretary will be appearing, please, give Hon. Gonzi Rai a chance to ask his Question. Yes, Hon. Member. What is it? Member for Busia.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I wanted to know if there is a system that deregisters somebody immediately they die. I am seeing a danger of a caretaker continuing to receive money if a death is not reported. You can give chiefs and village elders forms to fill in to report deaths. Secondly, I come from Busia border and there is a woman from Uganda who was married there and has kids who are a…

Cabinet Secretary, you have an answer for that?

The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Ms Florence Bore): Yes. On the first question about deregistration, we depend on the Department of Civil Registration. They are the ones who issue death certificates and birth certificates to new-borns. We depend on their system to verify and deregister a beneficiary. For the second question on a foreigner married in Kenya and is not able to…

Thank you very much, Cabinet Secretary. That brings us to the end of Question Time. We want to thank you for having adequately prepared. It has been a heavy ride for you and your Ministry, but you have dealt with all the questions. We thank you for availing yourself to the House to answer Members’ Questions. Through the Leader of the Majority Party, when time requires, we shall be asking you to c…

[(Ms. Florence Bore)]

The Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, what is it?

Waziri, I want to thank you very sincerely for taking your time to prepare adequately and enunciating Government policy very well. On behalf of the leadership of this House, we want to say ahsante sana. You forgot to sit. You stood throughout the three hours. That chair is meant for you to take a pause. I did not even see you take water. We are happy that you have done this. Asante sana. The Cabi…

[(Ms. Florence Bore)]

Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, the Cabinet Secretary has a background of teaching like me. Standing is a part of the business. She understands that. Thank you, Waziri. Let us move to the next Order.

Hon. Didmus Barasa is not in the House. Yes, Deputy Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, with the absence of many Members who are supposed to move these Motions, I would request that we stand down the businesses ahead of us. I do not want to raise issues of Quorum. I just want us to stand down the remaining businesses of the day.

You propose that we defer this to the next Session.

Yes.

We have to deal with them according to our House rules, business per business. That one is deferred to the next sitting.

(Bill deferred) Next Order.

I request that we stand down that too to next time.

Well, taken. The next Order is by the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock. Deputy Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I suggest that we defer this Order until next time.

Next Order, by the Chairperson of Special Funds Accounts Committee. She is absent. Deputy Leader of the Majority Party.

I am not absent, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Proceed.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Looking at the situation, most Members of the Committee are not in the House. I kindly request you to defer this to the next possible date.

The matter is deferred.

(Motion deferred) The next Order is by the Chairperson of the Public Investments Committee on Governance and Education. Yes, the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party. .

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I request that we defer this to the next available day.

Next Order, Deputy Leader of the Majority Party..

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I propose that we defer these Bills to the next available date. Thank you.

The matters are deferred.

THAT, this House notes the Report of the Kenya Delegation to the 146th Assembly of the Inter-Parliamentary Union (IPU) and related Meetings, held in Manama, Kingdom of Bahrain, from 11th to 15th March 2023, laid on the Table of the House on Wednesday, 14th June 2023.

I suggest that we defer the Motion to the next available date, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Next Order, Hon. Emmanuel Wangwe or the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party..

In the absence of the Member, I suggest, on his behalf, that we defer the Bill to the next available date. I thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Thank you, Hon. Members.