National Assembly · Afternoon Sitting

Hon. Deputy Speaker, during yesterday afternoon session, the Leader of the Majority Party, Hon. Ichung’wah, in his submission mentioned that Hon. Peter Masara falls into the category of people with mental problems, who vote without knowing. I want to state clearly that I am of sound mind. That is why I have been elected to this House twice. I am the last Mayor of Migori. I have served in various c…

On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

What is your point of order, Hon. Chepkonga? I will come to you, Hon. DK.

Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I rise pursuant to Standing Order 87 on points of order. I sympathise with my very good friend, Hon. Masara. Hon. Deputy Speaker, the substantive Speaker said that this is a House of candour and banter. You know, some things are said in jest, but if you take it very seriously, this is a House of debate as long as you say anything that is within the Standi…

Point of order! Point of order!

Hon. Deputy Speaker, if you take the Leader of the Majority Party too seriously… I am on a point of order. They cannot be calling out points of order because I am also on a point of order.

Just hold on. There is a point of order from Hon. Sunkuli. Allow him. Let me listen to everyone. Hon. Sunkuli.

[(Several Members spoke off the record)]

Hon. Deputy Speaker, Hon. Chepkonga is the Chairman of my Committee and I respect him very much. But is it in order for him to say that this is a House of banter when in fact it is a House of record? If it goes on record that Hon. Masara is not of sound mind, how are future generations going to know that it was said in jest? Hon. Ichung’wah is not a very entertaining person. He is the Leader of th…

Hon. Chepkonga, you have a minute to finish raising your point of order. I will come to you, Hon. DK and then we will hear Hon. Farah.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. The good thing is that Hon. Sunkuli was adding to what I had just said. I can confirm, as a lawyer, that he is of sound mind. The Leader of the Majority Party is an accountant. If you think about it, maybe, Hon. Masara added one plus two and said it equalled five, and then Hon. Ichung’wah thought that he was not of sound mind. The intention was not to say he was not…

[(Laughter)]

Hon. Chepkonga, you seem to be holding brief for the Leader of the Majority Party. I do not think he has instructed you to be his advocate in this case. I will come to you. There is already a point of order from Hon. David Kiplagat, the Member for Soy.

[(Hon. Farah Maalim spoke off the record)]

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I rise on a point of order following the Statement by Hon. Masara. My point is simple. If there was anything that was said, it was yesterday. I do not know whether the Member had not processed it then, and whether he only thought about it when he went to sleep. Since the matter is now like water under the bridge, the only thing that Hon. Member can do is, maybe, giv…

officially under the Order Paper that we have a Statement that he wants to make. For him to come and raise a point of order in a Motion that has already passed is itself out of order.

Hon. David Kiplagat, the Member for Suna West, Hon. Masara, made an oral Statement to the House in response to what transpired yesterday. He is in order to so. Just hold on. Hon. Farah Maalim, Member for Dadaab.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, the rules are very clear. The Hon. Speaker said, “Candour and banter.” Candour is related to the word ‘candid.’ Bantering is good humour, jokes and exchange.

[(Hon. Samwel Chepkonga spoke off the record)]

Hon. Chepkonga, you have had your opportunity to speak. Please, allow Hon. Farah Maalim to also speak.

The rules are very clear. The rules say that you cannot impute improper motive on a Member of Parliament without moving a substantive Motion. It is very clear. If you had stood on a point of order immediately and sought redress, the Leader of the Majority Party would have been told to withdraw his remarks. Now that this is in hindsight, we just have to observe that. You cannot say you are a fool o…

Thank you, Hon. Farah. Hon. Members, to put this matter to a close, I want to bring your attention to Standing Order 87 (1) , which says: “Neither the personal conduct of the President, nor the conduct of the Speaker or of any judge, nor the judicial conduct of any other person performing judicial functions, nor any conduct of the Head of State or Government or the representative in Kenya of any …

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Do we have any Questions? Who are the owners of the Questions? I can see on the list we have Ordinary Questions. Member for Matuga, Hon. Kassim Tandaza, proceed. He is not in the House. The Member for Bahati, Hon. Irene Mrembo, you may proceed Question 371/2023

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I rise to ask the following Question directed to the Teachers Service Commission (TSC) . Could the Commission ––

Thank you. This will be replied before the Departmental Committee on Education. Next Question is by the Member for Moiben, Hon. (Prof) Phyllis Bartoo. She is not present. The next Question is by the Member for Homa Bay Town, Hon. Peter Kaluma. Question 440/2023

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to ask the following Question directed to the National Police Service Commission. Could the Commission––

That will be replied before the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs. Next question is by Member for Bomachoge Borabu Hon. (Eng) Obadiah Nolfason. Question 452/2023

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I would like to ask the following Question directed to the National Police Service Commission. Could the Commission ––

Thank you. The Question will be replied before the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs. Thank you, Hon. Obadiah. Next Order.

Hon. Members, this is Order No.11. Hon. John Makali, you may proceed.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for the opportunity granted to me once more. Before I move the Motion, I wish to extend a warm hand of welcome to the students of Kibabii University who come from my constituency. It is one of the most vibrant universities. It does not have many management issues like other universities. I take this opportunity to welcome them to the National Assembly and ask the…

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I wish to add my voice to this very important Motion. I thank Hon. Makali for bringing it on the Floor of this House. The expansion of drug and substance abuse rehabilitation centres is a must in this country. President Richard Nixon declared drug abuse as public enemy number one on 17th June 1971. Based on this, we too are aware that the right to health was rec…

Thank you very much, Hon. Ikiara. Hon. Mishi Mboko.

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Asante sana, Mhe. Spika wa Muda, kwa kunipatia nafasi ya kuzungumzia Hoja hii. Pia, ninamshukuru sana Mhe. Makali kwa kuleta Hoja ambayo ni muhimu sana. Kwa hakika, nakubaliana na ripoti za NACADA ambazo zimeangazia

kwamba sehemu za Busia na Mombasa ziko kwenye nambari ya kwanza na pili katika takwimu kuhusu mambo ya utumiaji wa pombe haramu na dawa za kulevya. Nchi yetu haijawekeza zaidi kupata taasisi za umma ambazo zinaangalia mambo ya madawa ya kulevya na kunasua vijana ambao wamepotea na wameharibikia huko. Hivyo basi, ni muhimu sana Serikali iweke taasisi katika kila kaunti ambayo itanasua vijana ambao…

Thank you very much, Hon. Mishi Mboko. Member for Buuri, Hon. Rindikiri Mugambi.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I have just come from a meeting of the Parliamentarians Against Drugs and Substance Abuse Caucus, the United Nations Development Corporation (UNDC) , and the World Health Organisation (WHO) . Drug usage is becoming a pandemic in Kenya. It has now become a menace in all parts of the country, including the traditional areas of North Eastern where we never had a lot…

national concern that has also brought in the presidency to fight against the menace. This menace is with us as a business and as a matter of relaxation. We believe that Africa is the only part of the world that is left intact. According to our enemies, Africa must be destroyed through drug abuse. Therefore, I stand to support this Motion and say it is high time this country seriously deliberated …

Thank you very much, Member for Buuri. Hon. Catherine Omanyo, Member for Busia.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I also want to add bells and whistles to this Motion by saying no to drugs, anytime. For us to have a healthy and productive society, we should not shy away from this matter. We are losing children. Personally, I have been affected through family members, cousins and friends I knew. They are becoming social misfits. People segregate and avoid such people. Neighb…

Thank you very much, Member for Busia. Hon. Members, I see many of you wanted to speak, including Hon. Jessica Mbalu, Member for Kibwezi East, Hon. Njeri Maina, Hon. Donya and Hon. Saney, but unfortunately time is up.