National Assembly · Afternoon Sitting

Wednesday, 5 March 2025

Session Summary

Members debated the 2025 Medium Term Debt Strategy, highlighting Kenya’s high debt‑to‑GDP ratio and fiscal deficit while noting recent declines. They urged the Treasury to automate debt service withdrawals, integrate the debt management system with IFMIS, and strengthen the Treasury Single Account to improve transparency and control. The motion received broad support and was seconded for adoption. The House debated a discrepancy between the fiscal framework and the budget paper, which was clarified as a classification issue of the Social Health Insurance Fund and praised the Finance and National Planning Committee for identifying the error. The session then shifted to Hon. Wanjiku Muhia’s motion on the delayed absorption and unequal contractual terms of health workers under the Universal Health Coverage programme, with the Speaker allocating time for the motion after procedural confirmations. The debate combined technical clarification, commendation of parliamentary scrutiny, and criticism of government implementation of health worker contracts. Members debated the reconstitution of parliamentary committees, highlighting challenges in balancing political affiliation, gender and regional representation while urging swift election of chairpersons. The discussion included an amendment to replace a member on the Committee on Regional Integration and addressed procedural concerns about vacancies and member interests. Overall, the tone combined constructive procedural focus with mild frustration over the complexity of the process.

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Hon. Members, welcome to the afternoon sitting. We have quorum to transact business. Clerk-at-the-Table, proceed. Hon. Members on your feet, please, take the nearest seats

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Hon. Members, you will recall that in January 2025, the National Assembly held a successful mid-term retreat for Members in which various pertinent issues relating to the business of the House were deliberated on. During the retreat, it was observed that a remarkable number of Members had submitted legislative proposals on various subject matters, some of which had already been published as Bills …

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on the same subject, she requests, on behalf of the Procedure and House Rules Committee, for stay of further consideration of the Bill. You will recall that on 12th February 2025, I reported to the House that I had received a Message from the Senate on the passage of several Bills, including the Political Parties (Amendment) (No.2) Bill (Senate Bill No.26 of 2024). The Bill, which is sponsored by…

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Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah, was published vide Kenya Gazette Supplement No. 58 of 8th March 2024 seeking to, inter alia, give owners or claimants of unclaimed assets the power to designate payment of a claim to another person. The Bill was read a Second Time on 28th November 2024 and has been awaiting consideration in Committee of the whole House. However, I have since received correspondence from th…

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Deputy Leader of the Majority Party.

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Hon. Owen Baya (Kilifi North, UDA)

Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table: Reports of the Auditor-General and Financial Statements of the National Governments Constituencies Development (NG-CDF) for the year ended 30th June 2024 and the certificates therein in respect of:

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Yes, Leader of the Majority Party.

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Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. With your indulgence, I would like to clarify a matter concerning the document tabled here in the form of a letter from the national Treasury. Members may have noticed an error reported in the Budget Policy Statement (BPS) sent to the House. Could Hon. Marianne Keitany allow me to hear myself?

[(Hon. Marianne Keitany consulted loudly)]

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Order, Member for Aldai.

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Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)

I wish to draw her attention to this because it is important for her to understand the basis of the letter we received from the National Treasury. It addresses a correction of an error in the BPS submitted to us. The Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning discovered an error between the fiscal framework and the expenditure framework under the Ministry of Health. The difference amo…

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Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)

anything from the Executive without proper scrutiny. However, this Committee comprises seasoned Members such as Hon. Keynan, Hon. Ariko, Hon. Atandi, and its efficient and diligent Chairperson, the Member for Molo, Hon. Kimani Kuria. Hon. Umulkher is also a member of this Committee, as is the Vice-Chairperson, who previously served as the Chairperson of this Committee in the 11th Parliament, Hon. …

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Order No. 6.

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Hon. Wanjiku Muhia, you are very mobile. A few minutes ago, you were seated here.

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Hon. Wanjiku Muhia (Kipipiri, UDA)

Thank you, Hon. Speaker for giving me the opportunity. I was lobbying because many Members are not aware of the Motion I am giving notice of. Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provision of Standing Order 33 (1) , I seek leave for the adjournment of the House to discuss a definite matter of urgent national importance regarding the delay in absorption of health workers under the Universal Health Covera…

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Hon. Wanjiku, your Notice collapses because you have no one supporting it.

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Hon. Wanjiku Muhia (Kipipiri, UDA)

No, Hon. Speaker. All these Members are in support.

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Where are they?

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Hon. Wanjiku Muhia (Kipipiri, UDA)

They did not know that they are supposed to stand.

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You require 20 Members to support. You have more than 20 of them.

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Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA)

On a point of order?

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What is your point of order?

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Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA)

Hon. Speaker…

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Hon. (Dr) Pukose, having met the threshold, you can only raise your point of order at the time it comes for debate. Hon. Wanjiku Muhia, I allocate you one hour. The House is sitting up to 9 p.m. tonight. You will move your Motion at exactly 8 p.m.

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Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM)

Hon. Speaker, I am greatly impressed by your diligence.

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Thank you. Next Order.

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We will begin with the Statement by the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Health in response to an issue raised by Hon. Esther Passaris.

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Hon. Hussein Abdi (Tarbaj, UDA)

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I wish to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs regarding rampant cases of human trafficking in northern Kenya. Recruitment agencies, though opaque, are operating in Wajir, Mandera and Garissa Counties. They prey on the hopes and dreams of the young generation, enticing…

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Hon. Gabriel Tongoyo (Narok West, UDA)

Hon. Speaker, I need your indulgence on this. From what I hear, the Hon. Member is talking about Kenyans being exported beyond our territorial boundaries. My honest opinion is that this could be better handled by the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations.

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Well, the question is about human trafficking in northern Kenya, not out of northern Kenya.

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Hon. Gabriel Tongoyo (Narok West, UDA)

But it goes beyond our territorial boundaries.

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Clerk, check and see whether we can reassign the request to the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Affairs. Be that as it may, whichever Committee handles the matter, it will respond to you in two weeks. Hon. Rahab Mukami, your request is spent, so we will skip it. Hon. Joseph Munyoro, Member for Kigumo.

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Hon. Joseph Munyoro (Kigumo, UDA)

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I wish to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs regarding Disappearance of Persons from Kigumo Constituency. An alarming trend has emerged regarding disappearance of persons in Mareira Sub-Location in Kigumo Constituency.

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Hon. Joseph Munyoro (Kigumo, UDA)

Mr David Gitau Maina disappeared on 27th December 2024 and his whereabouts remain unknown to this day. According to his family members, Mr Gitau went out to complete a land purchase transaction and his phone went silent. He has not been seen since. On the same day, Mr David Njehia Macharia vanished from his home and his location is unknown. Additionally, Mr James Mburu Kariuki, from Irima village …

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Hon. Tongoyo.

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Hon. Gabriel Tongoyo (Narok West, UDA)

Hon. Speaker, I will respond in two weeks.

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Two weeks is okay. Hon. Joyce Kamene, Member for Machakos County.

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Hon. Joyce Kamene (Machakos, WDM)

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Blue Economy, Water and Irrigation regarding the Status of Mavoko Water Supply project. The project is an initiative financed jointly by the Governments of the Republic of Kenya and the Kingdom of Belgium, in line with the natio…

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Thank you, Hon. Joyce Kamene. Hon. Bowen, Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Blue Economy and Irrigation, when you have a business, you should remain static.

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Hon. Kangogo Bowen (Marakwet East, UDA)

Yes, I have seen it, Hon. Speaker. I will give a response in two weeks’ time. Hon. Speaker. Thank you. Before we go on with the next statements, allow me to acknowledge Light Academy from Karen, Langata, Nairobi; and Kenyatta University students from Ruiru, Kiambu who are in the Public Gallery. On my behalf and that of the House, we welcome them to Parliament. Next is Hon. Clive Gisairo, Member …

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Hon. Clive Gisairo (Kitutu Masaba, ODM)

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Communication, Information and Innovation regarding the policy applied by Safaricom PLC on the transmission of political messages. In recent months, numerous users of various Premium Rate Services Providers (PRSP) and customers whose applications for sender…

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We will ensure that you get a response quickly. The Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Communication, Information and Innovation, Hon. KJ. I cannot see him. Leader of the Majority Party, ensure we have a response in two weeks’ time.

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Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)

I will do that.

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Hon. Irene Mayaka.

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Hon. Irene Mayaka (Nominated, ODM)

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations regarding the safety and security of Kenyans stranded in Myanmar. Since 2022, hundreds of Kenyans have fallen victim to an elaborate human trafficking syndicate operating under the guise of lucra…

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Hon. Bashir, are you the Vice-Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence, and Foreign Relations?

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Hon. Major (Rtd) Abdullahi Sheikh (Mandera North, UDM)

Yes, Hon. Speaker.

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When can you bring a response?

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Hon. Major (Rtd) Abdullahi Sheikh (Mandera North, UDM)

Hon. Speaker, we can do that in two weeks’ time.

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Thank you. Dr Joyce Bensuda, Member for Homa Bay County.

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Hon. Atieno Bensuda (Homa Bay County, ODM)

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Orders 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry and Mining regarding the destruction of forest in Magadi for charcoal production. Forests play a crucial role in sustaining life and maintaining climate stability. However, in recent years, Lake Magadi region has exp…

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Thank you, Hon. Atieno Bensuda. Who is the Chair for the Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry and Mining? Hon. Owen Baya, is that Hon. Gikaria's committee?

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Hon. Owen Baya (Kiifi North, UDA)

Yes.

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Ensure they bring a response in two weeks.

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Hon. Owen Baya (Kiifi North, UDA)

Much obliged, Hon. Speaker.

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Hon. John Namoit, Turkana South.

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Hon. John Namoit (Turkana South, ODM)

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I wish to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry and Mining regarding Gold Mining in Turkana South Constituency. Hon. Speaker, there are mining activities currently being undertaken in Lamu Nyeusi, on the border of Sigor and Turkana South Constituencies, Lorogon vil…

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Thank you. There was a Member who requested to joy ride on this. Hon. Lochakapong, go ahead.

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Hon. Peter Lochakapong (Sigor, UDA)

Thank you, Hon. Speaker for this opportunity. I wish to support the Statement by Hon. (Dr) Ariko, the Member for Turkana South. We have many illegal miners and particularly, in West Pokot, and between West Pokot and Turkana. Now, these illegal miners are operating without a mining licence and they are mining gold. We have engaged these people but seemingly, they are cartels and are being protecte…

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Hon. Peter Lochakapong (Sigor, UDA)

resources in terms of royalties because those people are engaged in illegal activities. It is not only happening in Lamu Nyeusi but also, in many parts of West Pokot. If the Cabinet Secretary is the only officer within the Ministry of Mining not involved in this corruption web, he should visit the area to find out what is happening. Thank you, Hon. Speaker.

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Thank you. Yes, Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo.

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Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo (Rarieda, ODM)

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. With your kind indulgence, let me piggy ride on this one briefly. Hon. Speaker, in your absence yesterday, I said in this House that in the last 48 hours, I lost five of my constituents to mining activities in Rarieda. They were five women who were going about their business, the youngest of them being only 27 years, and also, a graduate. I, therefore, think that the iss…

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Who is the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry and Mining? Is it Hon. Gikaria? Hon. Owen, can we get a response in two weeks?

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Hon, Owen Baya (Kilifi North, UDA)

Much obliged, Hon. Speaker.

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Hon. Umul Kheir Kassim, Member for Mandera County. Hon. Sabina I will come to you after that.Give Hon. Umul Kheir the microphone. The one next to you is on.

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The Leader of the Majority Party. Hon. Owen, is it you who will move it?

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Hon. Owen Baya (Kilifi North, UDA)

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I wish to...

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Hon. Members, I bring to your attention that there is a Supplementary Order Paper approved by the House Business Committee. The Speaker approved it for publication and circulation. That is what we are using now.

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Hon. Owen Baya (Kilifi North, UDA)

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I beg to move: THAT, pursuant to the provisions of Section 43 (4) of the National Government Constituency Development Fund Act, 2015 and paragraphs 5 (2) and (10) of the National Government Constituencies Development Fund Regulations, 2016, this House approves the list of nominees for appointment to the following one hundred Constituency Committees of the National Governme…

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Hon. Owen, just say with the names as it appears on the order paper.

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Hon. Owen Baya (Kilifi North, UDA)

Thank you. Hon. Speaker. Can I take it again?

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Yes.

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Hon. Owen Baya (Kilifi North, UDA)

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, pursuant to the provisions of Section 43 (4) of the National Government Constituency Development Fund Act, 2015 and Paragraphs 5 (2) and (10) of the National Government Constituencies Development Fund Regulations, 2016, this House approves the list of nominees for appointment to the following one hundred (100) Constituency Committees of the …

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Hon. Owen Baya (Kilifi North, UDA)

No.

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Hon. Owen Baya (Kilifi North, UDA)

No.

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Hon. Owen Baya (Kilifi North, UDA)

No.

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Hon. Owen Baya (Kilifi North, UDA)

No.

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Hon. Owen Baya (Kilifi North, UDA)

No.

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Hon. Owen Baya (Kilifi North, UDA)

No.

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Hon. Owen Baya (Kilifi North, UDA)

In conclusion, I urge the House to approve the list of these nominees to the 100 NG- CDF committees for the 100 constituencies to prevent disruption in NG-CDF operations and to facilitate smooth governance at the constituency level. I also want to say that points of order were raised yesterday on NG-CDF management, especially on approval of projects. We urge the NG-CDF Board to approve the projec…

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Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)

Thank you. I rise to second. As the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party has said, these nominees enable all the 100 constituency NG-CDF Committees to start functioning after approval by the House, as is required by the law. I beg to second.

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[(Hon. Rahab Mukami stood up in her place)]

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Order. Members on their feet, take your seats. Hon. Rahab Mukami, take your seat. Next Order.

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[(Question put and agreed to)]

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The Chairperson of the Committee on Selection.

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Hon. Silvanus Osoro (South Mugirango, UDA)

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, pursuant to the provisions of the Standing Order 175, and further to the resolution of the House on 27th October 2022, this House approves the appointment of Members to the respective Committees of the House as specified in the Schedule to the Supplementary Order Paper for 5th March 2025 (Afternoon Sitting) .

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Hon. Gladys Boss (Uasin Gishu County, UDA)

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Liaison Committee on its consideration of the 2025 Medium-Term Debt Management Strategy laid on the Table of this House on Wednesday, 5th March 2025 and pursuant to the provisions of Section 15 (4) of the Public Finance Management Act, 2012 and Standing Order 232 (A) (7) and (8) -

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)

Hon. Members, the time now is 7.02