National Assembly · Afternoon Sitting

such a committee is outlined, its terms of reference, timelines within which the committee is to discharge its mandate, and report to the Houses are determined. However, as you are aware, the Houses of Parliament were on recess at the time of the receipt of the Communication. The respective Standing Orders of the Houses of Parliament require the Speakers to cause the transmission of any message re…

Thank you, Hon. Speaker for that very detailed Communication. You will remember that some time back, I shared with the House our draft proposal on the Motion that defined the mandate of this bipartisan Committee. Following your recognition of this Committee, as you said during the recess… We appreciate what you have stated that it is only up to when this House formally approves that Committee and …

[(Hon. Opiyo Wandayi walked into the Chamber)]

Therefore, I beg the Leader of the Minority Party, who has just walked in now, and the leadership in their coalition to work with speed and with us. If they have a draft Motion, they can share so that the bipartisan Committee can consider so that we can have one synchronised draft Motion that we can bring to the House for approval. Hon. Speaker, as you indicated yesterday, the sentiments that are…

Next Order. Order! Maybe I should allow the Leader of the Minority Party to speak if he has anything to say. Order, Hon. Okello. You are not the Leader of the Minority Party.

[(Hon. Jared Okello stood up in his place)]

[(Laughter)]

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I appreciate the fact that you have recognised the need for me to say a word or two. I do not have the benefit of having your full Communication on the matter at hand, but all the same…

It was a replication of what we discussed in the House Business Committee.

The matter of the bipartisan talks has, of course, gained public notoriety. I do not think there is anyone who can claim not to understand whatever is going around. Hon. Speaker, you will recall from the very outset that when this matter came up here, I did commit, on behalf of the Azimio Coalition, that we shall do whatever it takes to make these talks progress and succeed. I believe that we hav…

that, if we want to rescue them, then we have to move with speed in good faith. Otherwise, for now, I take it that your Communication sets the ground for us to engage further. Thank you very much. God bless.

Hon. Ichung’wah and Hon. Wandayi, you have been given the rare and enviable privilege of leading this House. You must show leadership. It is not enough for the two of you to come and prostrate yourselves before the House and engage in non-productive lamentations. I want to encourage the two of you. The seven Members from either side you nominated are your nominees; you must guide them and show lea…

Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following papers on the Table: Memorandum of the proposed... Sorry Hon. Speaker. Whatever is typed here does not make sense, so I will just try to re-order that.

Chairperson, Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock, Hon. Mutunga.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table: Report of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock on the enquiry into the Maize Flour Subsidy Programme for the Financial Year 2022/2023. Thank you, Hon. Speaker.

Chairperson, Budget and Appropriations Committee.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table: Report of the Budget and Appropriations Committee on its consideration of County Governments Additional Allocation Bill (National Assembly Bill No.23 of 2023) . Thank you very much Hon. Speaker.

The Chairperson, Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Departmental Committee of Agriculture and Livestock on its enquiry into the Maize Flour Subsidy Programme for the Financial Year 2022/2023, laid on the Table of the House on Wednesday, 7th of June 2023, in the Afternoon Sitting. Thank you, Hon. Speaker.

Thank you. Serjeants-at-Arms or Clerk-at-the-Table, if the Cabinet Secretary for Education is within the precincts of Parliament, cause him to enter the Chamber. We will start Questions before 3.00 O’clock. In the meantime, we go to Order No.7. We have a Statement I approved from Hon. Julius Sunkuli. Are you ready with it?

Indeed, Hon. Speaker. The Clerk had informed me that it will be tomorrow, but I do not mind if I could read it today after a short while.

[(Hon. Julius Sunkuli consulted Hon. Speaker)]

Hon. Sunkuli wants two minutes to come back to his Statement. Let us move on to Order No.8 before we come back to Order No.7. Hon. Sunkuli, you better hurry up.

Welcome, Cabinet Secretary. We will come to you shortly. I have given Hon. Sunkuli two minutes to be here. He has a personal Statement to make on the security situation in his constituency. Meanwhile Hon. Members, like I said yesterday, when we go to Questions the Questioner has two bites; the question and a supplementary. I will only allow two joyriders on each Question. Can someone tell Hon. Su…

Thank you very much for your indulgence. I wish to request for a Statement from the Cabinet Secretary in charge of Interior and National Administration with respect to the on-going clashes in Trans Mara. The last few days have not been peaceful for the people of Kilgoris Constituency who are residing in Nkararo and Enoosaen locations. There have been clashes, skirmishes, fights and total disruptio…

the possible causes of those clashes. In summary, one clan holds that the other has taken away their land. The other clan maintains that no such land was taken. That land dispute arises from the inconclusive manner in which the Ministry of Land demarcated the boundaries in those sections. In 1985, both a no-sign adjudication section occupied mainly by the Uasin Kishu Clan; and the Nkararo Adjudic…

Thank you, Hon. Julius Sunkuli. Who is the Chairperson of the Committee in charge of Security? Hon. Tongoyo, you will transmit that Statement to your Minister and bring a response in two weeks.

I will, Hon. Speaker. It is just good to note that we come from the same county with the Hon. Member, and his issue is known to me. I have just talked to the Cabinet Secretary, who is in Turkana as we speak. We had even planned to visit his office so that we can be able to look for a quick response to the same. Nevertheless, I am guided.

Thank you. Hon. Members, we will go back to Order No.7. Before we call the first Question, allow me to acknowledge the presence of students in the Speaker’s Gallery. They are St. Bakhita Girls - Kiangini from Makueni County. In the Public Gallery, we have St. Jude Kiriri, Githurai Constituency, Kiambu County; Londiani Boys High School, Kipkelion East Constituency, Kericho County and St. Teresa Gi…

[(Applause)]

Hon. Speaker, I rise to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Education the following Question. Could the Cabinet Secretary:

Hon. Speaker, I will move on to the last part of the Question. I am sure Hon. Members of Parliament are all aware or are conversant with this one. The Boards of Management do not receive and approve project proposals from the National Government Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF). According to Section 27 of the NG-CDF Act 2015, it is the responsibility of the NG-CDF committee to collect and …

Thank you Cabinet Secretary. Hon. Mark Mwenje, there you are.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I thank the Cabinet Secretary for his comprehensive response. My only follow up to the Cabinet Secretary is that we have a problem in Nairobi City County, especially with the reconstitution of some of the school boards in our primary schools. The County Education Board said they did not have sufficient funds. You have some of those boards with serving Members of County Ass…

Cabinet Secretary, you can answer that. The Cabinet Secretary for Education : Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Hon. Members are aware that the constitution of the committees, both in primary and secondary schools have 17 members. Some of the people who recommend them to serve in those particular committees are Members of Parliament. Those who represent the community interests are appointed or recommended…

[(Hon. Ezekiel Machogu)]

Thank you Cabinet Secretary. We will move on to Question 121 of

Yes, Hon. Speaker.

Go ahead. Question 121/2023

Hon. Speaker, on behalf of Hon. Jackson Lekumontare, the Member for Samburu East who is outside the country, I rise to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Education the following Question: Could the Cabinet Secretary:

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Education : Thank you, Hon. Speaker. We have, indeed, established from the Kenya Institute of Curriculum Development (KICD) that there are six schools in Samburu East Constituency which have not been supplied with course books. The schools affected are: Uaso Girls Secondary School, which was registered on 19th December 2018; Narere Boys Secondary Sch…

[(Hon. Ezekiel Machogu)]

Yes, Hon. Eli.

Hon. Speaker. I rise to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Education a supplementary Question.

Go ahead. The Cabinet Secretary for Education : Thank you, Hon. Speaker. We are aware that we have shortage of teachers, not only in the affected schools, but also in a number of our schools in every part of the country. This administration has employed 36,000 new teachers. We will employ almost an equal number in the next financial year. The second part of the Question is on the school feeding …

[(Hon. Ezekiel Machogu)]

Hon. Members, I can see the screen is full, but I do not know whether it is for this Question. Hon. Omboko Milemba.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. My question is related to the issue of food in schools. Is the Cabinet Secretary aware that schools especially high schools are on the verge of closing down because of lack of food? If so, what measures is he undertaking to make sure that capitation is sent to our schools so that they do not close down? Currently, school heads are negotiating with students to skip some mea…

Mama Zamzam

Ahsante sana, Mhe. Spika.

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Education : Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I would like to inform all the Members of Parliament here that capitation funds are at the tune of Ksh28 billion. The National Treasury was supposed to have given the funds before Friday last week. However, there was a delay. I had an engagement with the Principal Secretary of the National Treasury this morning, bec…

[(Hon. Ezekiel Machogu)]

Question 123/2023. Member for Teso South, Hon. Mary Emaase. Question 123/2023

Hon. Speaker. I rise to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Education the following Question: My Question arises from the confusion in the implementation of Junior Secondary School guidelines by the Ministry of Education. I draw your attention to page 44 of your guidelines. Guideline 8.6 of the guidelines on school meals says all leaners in Junior Secondary School shall be provided with nutritious scho…

Hon. Mary Emaase, you are debating but not asking your Question. The procedure is that you read the Question as it appears on the Order Paper. I think you are reading something different. Question 123 of 2023 is radically different from what you are saying. Do you, have it? It is on the Order Paper.

I think I have a different Order Paper, Hon. Speaker. May I have the supplementary Order Paper?

Can somebody furnish Hon. Emaase with the supplementary Order Paper? Your question is 123/2023.

I cannot tell, Hon. Members, whether those of you on my request list want to ask questions. Hon. Irene Mayaka.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Earlier, the Cabinet Secretary confirmed to us that the funds will be disbursed to schools from tomorrow. However, my question is: Given the fact that the initial capitation was below the budget, what will the Cabinet Secretary do to cushion schools? Yesterday we got information that the price of commodities, especially basic commodities has shot up? What I want to know fr…

Martha Wangari.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. My follow up question is on what the Cabinet Secretary has answered on matters capitation and the money that finally goes to schools. I want him to link that with the books and the printing that has now become centralised. My question is: Is there any plan by the Ministry to decentralise the printing of books? This is because there are instances where you have 100 kids, an…

Let me give this chance to Anthony Oluoch.

Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. I also want to ask a supplementary question in relation to what the Cabinet Secretary has said about the school feeding programme, and to seek guidance from him on what steps the Ministry is taking to ensure the informal settlements - and in particular vulnerable informal settlements like Mathare Constituency - where majority of the children who go to public scho…

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Education : Thank you, Hon. Speaker. One clarification I would like to make is that last year, we paid Ksh4,500, then sometime this year, the supply branch increased the price from Ksh4,500 to Ksh7,200. But when we went to the market, we found the price of a 50kg bag of rice was still Ksh4,500. We are now insisting that where schools cannot be able to …

[(Hon. Ezekiel Machogu)]

rice, or beans, they procure from Kenya National Trading corporation (KNTC). They should also compare the prices they are getting out there in the market with what we have in our stores at KNTC. That is because, sometimes, the figures being given by schools might not conform with what we have as the market prices, particularly when they are competitive. On the second question by the Member for Gi…

Thank you, Cabinet Secretary. Hon. Aduma Owuor. Cabinet Secretary, we had skipped this Question by Hon. Aduma Owuor. Question 122/2023

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I beg to ask the following Question: Could the Cabinet Secretary explain the actions being taken by the Ministry to avert acts of nepotism, mismanagement and violations of the Ministry’s guidelines relating to acquisition and disposal of school assets as well as recruitment of non-teaching and casual staff in schools across the country?

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Education : On disposal of school assets, schools are public entities in terms of the Public Procurement and Assets Disposal Act, 2015, and the Public Finance Management Act, 2012. All requirements in the two Acts apply to schools, and they are supposed to adhere to the requirements. In addition to the laws, the Ministry of Education has issued guideli…

[(Hon. Ezekiel Machogu)]

including unserviceable buses and other vehicles, ICT equipment like computers and printers, farm equipment and furniture. For primary schools, for example, the Ministry developed the Financial Management Manual, 2017. The Manual outlines relevant provisions of the law on asset disposal and provides a clear step-by-step process for disposing of school assets. The Basic Education Act, 2013 mandate…

Thank you. Hon. Aduma, are you satisfied?

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I realise the Question is limited mostly to moveable assets. It does not address disposal of immoveable assets like land. It is not clear whether title deeds of most schools are in the hands of the Ministry, or in the hands of the communities or sponsors of the schools. When we talk about mismanagement, there are grants meant for special schools. Most of those grants have …

Thank you, Hon. Aduma. That is a complimentary statement and not a question. Cabinet Secretary, you can note that and deal with it. Hon. Jared Okello, I can see you on the screen.

Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. I equally want to thank the Cabinet Secretary for Education for coming to address some of our concerns. During recess, I was home, and I managed to walk around my constituency. To a large extent, the state of junior secondary schools paints a very grim picture. We are alive to the fact that classrooms were actually built in high schools, but when the new regime …

primary schools, I want to know whether there is any plan to construct additional classrooms for junior secondary schools within the primary schools they are located in. We have many junior secondary schools that are strewn all over, but you realise that only one teacher is plugged to a junior secondary school. They undertake 14 subjects, which are compulsory, and probably eight elective subjects…

Cabinet Secretary, that question by Hon. Jared Okello falls under the next Questions by Hon. Muchira and Hon. Onchoke. You can put it on hold. You will answer it when we get there. Next is Question No.124 by the Member for Machakos County, Mama Joyce Kamene. Question 124/2023

Hon. Speaker, I rise to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Education the following Question: Could he:

Hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Education : Thank you, Hon. Speaker. The book distribution for junior secondary schools across the country stands at 90 per cent. There was distribution of 992, 884 books to 18, 605 schools in the country. For example, in Mathioya Constituency, the distribution is at 95 per cent across all learning areas. The balance of 5 per cent will be distribu…

[(Hon. Ezekiel Machogu)]

Thank you, Hon Speaker.

Thank you, Cabinet Secretary. The first supplementary question is by Hon. Edwin Gichuki.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I thank the Cabinet Secretary for a very comprehensive answer. My only concern is on the fixed amount that is normally given to each school. There is this policy by the Ministry of one child one shilling. If you do not give the fixed amount, schools that have fewer learners, like day secondary schools, would be affected, especially in terms of infrastructure. I urge the Ca…

Hon. Ruku GK.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I thank the Cabinet Secretary for answering the Question. There are a number of schools in my constituency where there is congestion in dormitories. You will find one cubicle accommodating more than six students. We wonder whether we have education officers responsible to ensure that all schools are managed in a proper manner. The boards of management should not allow scho…

Three beds cannot be a double decker. Call it a three decker.

It is a three decker where there are two beds below and another boy or girl sleeps at the top. That is the situation that I have seen in a number of schools. It is not a good experience.

That is enough. Hon. Phylis Bartoo.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Eldoret is considered a work station under a municipality and teachers who work in that environment are supposed to benefit from enhanced work allowance. Unfortunately, there is one school in the municipality named Cheparus Primary School where teachers do not benefit from the same enhanced house allowance. I wanted the Cabinet Secretary to clarify why they are disadvantag…

Thank you. Woman Representative for Tharaka Nithi.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I rise to speak for special schools. Specials schools entirely depend on the Government for feeding learners, teaching and non-teaching staff. The Government provides funding to these schools which struggle because they face many challenges. Non-teaching staff have not been paid for several months. What measures has your Ministry put in place to end starvation in the speci…

[(Hon. Ezekiel Machogu)]

start the activities at the school level to sub-county to county to regional to national. Every time, we have a serious shortfall. That is why we go for other partners. For example, this year, in order for us to manage the extracurricular activities, we had to get the support of the Ministry of Youth and Sports because of the funds they have, which you are aware is Ksh276 million from the Sports a…

On the Question by Hon. Gabriel Kagombe, I have a request from him that Hon. Kawanjiku from Kiambaa will ask it on his behalf. Hon. Kawanjiku, go ahead. Question 245/2023

Thank you, Hon. Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to ask the Cabinet Secretary the following Question: Could the Cabinet Secretary:

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Education : Thank you, Hon. Speaker. The Questions I have from the Clerk of the National Assembly, which are here…

[(Hon. Ezekiel Machogu)]

It does not have that Question? The Cabinet Secretary for Education : It does not feature and the Question has not been brought to my attention. The Questions are all here.

[(Hon. Ezekiel Machogu)]

Hon. Kawanjiku, you will tell Hon. Kagombe that we have stepped down his Question to the next time the Cabinet Secretary comes. Nonetheless, there is a Question by Hon. Naisula Lesuuda that is not listed, but has an answer provided. I have been informed that Hon. Jack Wamboka of Bumula is to ask on her behalf. Cabinet Secretary, there is a Question coming.

[(Question deferred)]

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I would like to take this opportunity first to thank the Cabinet Secretary who is becoming a friend of this House by responding to our Questions.

He has always been. He was a Member in the last Parliament.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to ask the Cabinet Secretary the following Question on behalf of Hon. Naisula Lesuuda: Could the Cabinet Secretary:

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Education : Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. There are three main reasons that informed the policy of admitting Government- sponsored students in private universities. First, is the legal framework. The Universities Act, 2012 established the Kenya Universities and Colleges Central Placement Service (KUCCPS) Board. Section 56 (1) of the Act provides…

[(Hon. Ezekiel Machogu)]

Before 2016, admission to public universities was determined by the available bed capacity. Due to the limited capacity in our public universities, the cut-off point for admission was increased in successful years locking out many eligible students. For example, in the year 2014/2015, 165,000 candidates had C+ and above against a capacity of only 63,740. Only 38.6 per cent accessed university educ…

The third part of the Question is that the number of self-sponsored students in private universities has been declining in successive years since the 2019/2020 academic year when it was 54.8 per cent compared to the 2022/2023 academic year when it was 20 per cent. This can be explained by the fact that an increasing number of students in private universities have been funded by the Government in s…

THAT, taking into consideration the findings of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning in its Report on the vetting of the nominee for the appointment as the Governor of the Central Bank of Kenya, laid on the Table of the House on Tuesday, 6th June 2023, and pursuant to Section 13 (1) of the Central Bank of Kenya Act (CAP 491) and Section 8 (1) of the Public Appointments (Parl…

[(Several Members consulted the Principal Secretary)]

[(The Principal Secretary was led into the waiting room)]

order of merit for consideration of appointment to the position of the Governor of the Central Bank of Kenya. Pursuant to Standing Order 42(1) of the National Assembly Standing Orders, the Speaker of the National Assembly conveyed a Message to the House from His Excellency, the President of the Republic of Kenya, on the nomination of Dr Kamau Thugge, CBS, for appointment as the Governor of the Ce…

6(7) of the Public Appointments (Parliamentary Approval) Act No.33 of 2011, and Section 13c(i) of the Central Bank of Kenya Act (Cap. 491). That, as stipulated under Article 75(1) of the Constitution, the nominee did not show any conflict of interest. That, the nominee is not a member of any political party. He also meets the qualifications of Chapter Six of the Constitution. We, therefore, recom…

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I want to say that the Chairman has given the history and story of Dr Kamau Thugge in detail. I do not wish to belabour the points. I wish to confirm that it is the Committee’s Report. I second.

[(Question proposed)]

Put the Question.

[(Loud consultations)]

Hold on Members.

[(Loud consultations)]

Put the Question.

[(Loud consultations)]

Next Order.

Next Order.

I call upon the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee.

Haya, put the Question!

[(Laughter) (Loud consultations)]

You may proceed, Chairman.

Okay. Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker, for this opportunity to move the Report of the Budget and Appropriations Committee in regard to the Budget Estimates for the Financial Year 2023/2024. Before I move to the substantive issues, allow me to thank all the Members of the Budget and Appropriations Committee, especially the Vice-Chair, Hon. Mary Emaase, and all the 27 Members of the Budget…

Hon. Ndindi, formally move the Motion and then you can go to the submissions.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Budget and Appropriations Committee on Budget Estimates for the National Government, the Judiciary and Parliament for the Financial Year 2023/2024, laid on the Table of the House on Tuesday, 6th June 2023, and pursuant to the provisions of Article 221 of the Constitution, Section 39 of th…

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Asante sana, Mheshimiwa Spika wa Muda. Mimi nimefuatilia kwa kina Bajeti hii ambayo imetengezwa na Kamati ya Bajeti. Lakini nina maswali mengi. Ninafikiri kuwa mambo mengi yamegusiwa na Mheshimiwa ambaye amemaliza kuongea. Imekuwa miezi sita tangu Serikali mpya ichukue uongozi na KRA imeweza kukusanya shilingi trillioni 1.5 kwa muda huo. Lakini, bado NHIF inadai shilingi bilioni ishirini. Shule za…

baridi. Hakuna anayeshikwa wala kuchukuliwa hatua na kurejesha pesa. Kila mwaka, Kamati ya Bajeti itakuwa inatoa Bajeti lakini pesa hazijulikani zinaenda vipi. Nataka kuelezea Kamati ya Bajeti na Ugawaji kuwa imejaribu kufanya kazi nzuri. Kina mama wa kaunti 47 tunajivunia hiyo bilioni moja kwa sababu tumeitafuta sana. Pesa zetu ni kidogo sana. Tunawashukuru kwa hilo. Lakini, ningependa kuona kat…

The Member for Tigania West, and the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock, Hon. John Mutunga.

Thank you for the opportunity to also contribute to this debate. I would like to thank the Members of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock for looking through the Budget Policy Statement (BPS) and for also scrutinising the Budget and rationalising what we think could be done in the next financial year. I would also like to thank the Budget and Appropriations Committee for receiv…

The agricultural sector in this country supports over 75 per cent of the population. Most people derive their livelihoods from agriculture. Therefore, if we do not properly support this sector in the Budget, then we will not be doing the right thing. It is the main foreign exchange earner in the country. It is also the main employer of the people, especially those who are engaged in the informal s…

are the first charge. If we allocated Ksh16.9 billion to pay the pending bills, then there would be no activities within the agricultural sector, say in the crop section for that year. Similarly, the livestock subsector has pending bills of Ksh4.6 billion and a budget deficit of Ksh2.8 billion, totalling Ksh6.8 billion. Having said that, we rationalised where it was possible. We looked at sectors…

Thank you. You have saved some few minutes. If Chairpersons do not utilise the entire 15 minutes that they are entitled to, and other Members also take less than the 10 minutes that they are entitled to, we will get many people to participate in this Motion. That is a decision for all Members. The Chair has no authority over that. Is Hon. Melly the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Com…

Departmental Committee on Education.

No. Anyway, you are lucky you got it because I thought you were a farmer and you should weigh in a little bit. Right now, I am doing an intercession. Every time a chairperson contributes, I then give an opportunity to another Member. If you are a farmer, proceed. However, you will spend all your time, including the chairperson’s.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for this opportunity. Before I begin my presentation on education, I thank the Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriations Committee and the entire Committee for a job well done. The Budget and Appropriations Committee has a big task of ensuring that taxes raised by the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning of the National Assembly are well uti…

in universities and TVET institutions. We also have a big amount of money for recruitment of teachers, training teachers for CBC, and supporting implementation of the new curriculum. Recruitment of teachers is very dear to the Kenya Kwanza Government. The intention is to recruit 116,000 teachers in the next five years. That is why the Government is recruiting over 20,000 teachers in this financia…

The other issue is that Ksh780 million has been allocated towards construction of TTIs in the remaining constituencies which do not have TVETs. Through this allocation, 15 TTIs will be constructed and are envisaged to be completed in 2023/2024. The Committee appreciates the model adopted in funding the remaining TTIs, however, we have a number of them which are not completed. As a Committee, we sa…

Member of Parliament for Ikolomani.

Thank you Hon. Temporary Speaker for giving me this chance to add my voice to the Annual Estimates for the Financial Year 2023/2024. I start by congratulating the Budget and Appropriations Committee for having done such a good job under the leadership of the Chairperson, Hon. Ndindi Nyoro. Having served in the Committee, I know that they had to put in a lot of time because they had to gather all …

I must commend you for having been considerate of your colleagues by taking half of the time you were allocated. Hon. Ochanda, I hope you will do the same, I will go to the only lady who is a Chair. Unfortunately, there is no proper gender balance in the Chairs of … Anyway, proceed, Hon. Ochanda.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I want to be brief considering your call. If from a layman’s point of view, I was to make the Budget for this country, there are three things that I will place emphasis on. First is food, second is debt, and the third one will be a social service that we call education. I am rising to support the Budget Estimates because of the allocation that has been given on …

get, I would rather we inject it in education as other sectors stabilize wherever they are so that we bring up education. In education, parents and Boards of Management (BOMs) are incurring more than the Government.

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Member of Parliament for Emurua Dikirr, what is your point of order?

I am sorry to interrupt my friend, Mheshimiwa Ochanda. I have heard him mention something that if it is true, we need to do a serious investigation on it. A Form One student who does not know how to read and write… How did they make it to Form One?

You have raised a very important thing. However, how is that a point of order?

[(Laughter)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. What I am trying to illustrate is … I have tried to check on that across the board in the last three days and it is amazing that we have students in Form One who cannot read or write. I have taken that up with the Ministry of Education. I have mentioned that parents and BOMs in this country are supporting staff in schools more than the Government. They have more…

done as a function? Who is producing food? Is it county governments or the National Government? These are hard questions that we must address moving forward. There is no need of placing money there. We allocate money for agriculture to Nairobi County yet agriculture is devolved. That is an area which needs to be looked at seriously. We need to re-focus on allocating more money to agriculture. We …

The Chairperson of the Departmental

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. At the outset, I want to support the Motion on the Report of the Budget and Appropriations Committee regarding the 2023/2024 Budget Estimates. My Committee, is the only one that deals with the vulnerable groups like the elderly, less privileged in the society, children, street children, youth, and Persons with Disabilities (PWDs) . When all Departmental Committe…

of the population in this nation. We cannot wish them away. We need to treat them well. When we are campaigning, we put them at the forefront. When we are making the Budget, we also need to remember them and give them what they deserve. This nation should think about them. I want to thank His Excellency the President because he is putting in more effort into this innovation that will take care of …

Hon. Ibrahim Saney take the least time so that Hon. Pukose can also weigh in. Proceed.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, the current economic situation in the country is not merely a product of simple step, hop, and jump; it is the cumulative product of a process that has been ongoing for years — the COVID-19 pandemic, Ukraine-Russian war, the drought that has been with us for the last four years, and the debt that has gone to the ceiling in the last Government. There is a perception out the…

I should not abuse your generosity of giving me time. I will touch on county allocation. We have been pumping colossal amounts of resources to counties but we have mainstreamed elitism, tribalism, corruption and all kinds of evils converse to the hope we had at the initial stage. I think it actually…

Order! Order! We have run out of time. You will still have another four minutes when we reconvene. It is my humble direction to whoever is going to be in the Chair to give Hon. Pukose the second chance when the House reconvenes. I understand you have been waiting the whole day to have an opportunity. Order, Hon. Members.