National Assembly · Afternoon Sitting
Wednesday, 8 October 2025
The Minister of Education detailed a verification exercise to identify ghost schools and ensure accurate capitation disbursements, noting 84% completion and aiming for full rollout by next Wednesday. He also addressed salary disputes, confirming payments under the collective bargaining agreement and outlining steps to resolve outstanding lecturer claims, while emphasizing the transition to the Kenya Education Management Information System. Members raised concerns that schools lack sufficient funding for travel and participation in regional competitions such as the East African Games, and highlighted gaps in feeding programmes and hardship allowances for teachers. The Temporary Speaker acknowledged resource shortfalls, noted ongoing reviews of budget allocations and the use of the Sports Fund, and pledged to rationalise funding mechanisms. The exchange combined criticism of current support with constructive suggestions for policy adjustments. The afternoon sitting focused on amending a Bill, with members proposing changes to clauses 3, 4 and 10 and debating the need to reference the Public Finance Management Act. The Temporary Chairlady guided the procedural flow, addressing overlapping amendments from different committees and directing the order of business. While there was some criticism of potential over‑legislation, the debate remained largely collaborative and procedural.
Sergeant-at-Arms, ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes.
[(The Quorum Bell was rung)]
Sergeant-at-Arms, you may stop the Quorum Bell and we may begin. First Order.
Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table of the House:
Let us now have Papers to be laid by the Chairperson of the Select Committee on the National Government Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF) . Is the Chairperson present? Did he assign anyone in the Committee to lay the Paper? Deputy Leader of Majority Party, what is the position?
I think Hon. Sawa Tandaza is walking in and he will lay the Paper.
[(Hon. Owen Baya spoke off the record)]
It is a Report of the Select Committee on the National Government Constituencies Development Fund on its Biennial Report… Do you have it, Hon. Tandaza?
[(Hon. Kassim Tandaza consulted Hon. Owen Baya)]
Yes, I am ready.
Proceed.
Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I beg to give notice of the following Motion…
[(Hon. Kassim Tandaza consulted Clerks-at-the-Table)]
You will lay the Paper, first. Thereafter, you will give your notice of Motion when we get to that part of the Order Paper.
Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker.
Hold on, is that a notice of Motion?
I want to lay the Paper.
Okay, lay the Paper first.
Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the House: Report of the Select Committee on the National Government Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF) on its Biennial Report on the Implementation of the National Government Constituencies Development Fund Act, Cap 414A for the Financial Years 2022/2023 and 2023/2024.
Okay. There are no more Papers to be laid. Therefore, we can move to the next Order.
Again, Hon. Tandaza, on behalf of the Select Committee on the NG-CDF, give your notice of Motion.
Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Select Committee on National Government Constituencies Development Fund on its Biennial Report on the Implementation of the National Government Constituencies Development Fund Act, Cap 414A for Financial Years 2022/2023 and 2023/2024, laid on the Table of the House on 8th October 2025.
Thank you. Next Order.
Hon. Members, today the Questions that we have are those directed to the Cabinet Secretary for Education, pursuant to Standing Order 42 (a) . Therefore, we will not be having the usual Questions by Members. We will only have Questions by Private Notice and the ordinary questions that will be handled accordingly.
The only Statement we shall have is the one by the Chairperson of the Select Committee on the National Government Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF), on disbursement of the NG-CDF. Do you have that Statement? Yes, you can proceed to read it out and then we will move to the Questions by Private Notice.
Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I rise to make a Statement on behalf of the National Assembly Select Committee on the National Government Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF) regarding the status of the Fund for the Financial Year 2025/2026. On allocation to the Fund and budget ceiling for the Financial Year 2025/2026, the NG- CDF was allocated a total of Ksh58,797,728,147. Pursuant to Sectio…
Thank you. Hon. Bowen, before I allow you to add your voice, let me recognise some schools.
Hon. Members, I would like to welcome students from the following schools seated in the Public Gallery: St. John’s Thaita Junior School from Kirinyaga Central Constituency, Kirinyaga County; St. John’s Thaita Secondary School from Kirinyaga Central Constituency, Kirinyaga County; and Gilgil Girls Academy from Gilgil Constituency, Nakuru County. Seated in the Speaker’s Gallery, we have students fro…
Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I would also like to appreciate the Speaker and the Clerk because this Session of Parliament has done very well in allowing as many students and learners as possible to come and observe the proceedings of this House. Maybe the handwriting was not very clear, but it is Gilgil Hills Academy. This is one of the best private schools you can have. In fact, one …
Thank you. As we wait for the Cabinet Secretary to come, I will allow Hon. Kangogo Bowen.
: Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. If you allow me, I would like to say something about what Hon. Kassim Tandaza has just read regarding the progress on disbursement of the NG-CDF funds. I appreciate Hon. Tandaza for that progress report. Regarding the NG-CDF Board, we have an issue we have discussed many times, especially concerning our NG-CDF staff, who have to wait for three or four months befor…
[(Marakwet East, UDA)]
Thank you, Hon. Members. We had agreed not to take more Statements today, but since the Cabinet Secretary has delayed, I will allow two previously approved Statements – one by Hon. Wangwe and another one by Hon. Passaris.
On a point of order.
Yes, Hon. Tandaza, what is your point of order? I thought your Statement was clear.
Yes, it was clear, but I want react to what Hon. Kangogo has just said. Section 39 (2) is very clear on disbursement of funds. Unfortunately, it does not specify what should happen if the National Treasury fails to comply. As legislators,
we need to review how to enforce Section 39(2), so that it is followed to the letter. If that were done, we would not face the challenges that Hon. Kangogo mentioned. Thank you.
Hon. Ochanda, Member for Bondo, please, be brief because we have a lot of business today.
Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I am aware of ongoing efforts to safeguard the Fund. I would like to urge the House to treat this Fund as a special case this year. We should not subject it to quarterly disbursements if we are serious about implementation. If we wait for quarter four, it will coincide with the Fund’s closure, leaving little time for any work. The funds should be released by the end…
Hon. Wangwe, please, make your Statement. Then Hon. Passaris will follow.
Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order No.44 (2) (c) , I rise to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security regarding a deeply disturbing video clip that has been circulating on social media since yesterday, alleging a confession to rape by Pastor James Ng’ang’a. The clip allegedly shows …
Thank you, Hon. Passaris. Is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security around? Yes, Hon. Raso?
Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. We will respond immediately after the recess.
We now move to the next Order of business pursuant to Standing Order 42A (6) (B) , where the Cabinet Secretary for Education is here to respond to Questions this Wednesday afternoon. Hon. Owen Baya, Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, please, escort the Cabinet Secretary in.
[The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Mr Julius Ogamba) walked into the chamber]
Cabinet Secretary for Education, you are welcome to the National Assembly. Before we embark on the first Question, I would like to bring to the attention of the Members the provisions of Standing Order 42B. For avoidance of doubt, it says: “ (5) Where the Member scheduled to raise a Question in the House is absent without the Speaker’s permission, the Question shall be dropped and no further proc…
On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker.
[(Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo spoke off the record)]
What is your point of order, Hon. Kang’ogo? I will come to you, Member for Funyula. Proceed, Hon. Kangogo.
Hon. Deputy Speaker, I know the Questions by Hon. Omboko Milemba and the Woman Representative for Isiolo County are very important. I remember when Hon. Omboko Milemba brought up that issue in the House, it was very emotive. When a Member raises a Question on the Floor of the House and the substantive speaker or yourself approves the same, it should be treated as a property of the House. If you re…
Hon. Kangogo, I will stop you right there. I just went to great pains to read Standing Order 42B, which is clear. Unless you want to stand on the Floor of the
House and amend the Standing Order, which you cannot, that is a non-issue. No one is underestimating the importance of the Questions. All we are saying is that the Member who is responsible for the Question, as set out on the Standing Orders, should be in the House for that Question to be entertained and responded to by the cabinet secretaries when they are present. That is a suggestion for the Pr…
On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker.
What is your point of order, Hon. Oundo? Let it be the last one.
Hon. Deputy Speaker, we appreciate and respect your ruling because the speaker's ruling cannot be challenged.
It is not my ruling. I have read the Standing Orders.
I accept. Hon. Deputy Speaker, there are some matters of public interest that transcend an individual Member. These particular Questions are not domiciled to a particular constituency. They cannot be categorised as personal Questions that affect a particular constituency. We just seek your indulgence, under Standing Order 1, using your express discretion, to allow Hon. Members to deal with these Q…
Hon. Oundo, I also ruled on that one. You are speaking on their behalf, which is contrary to the Standing Orders. I know those Hon. Members will reach out shortly. There is probably a letter in the Speaker’s Office, which will be brought here. By that, we will have dealt with the two Questions. If that request comes, I am willing to consider it. But for now, let us proceed as per the Standing Orde…
On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker.
Hon. Martha, what is your point of order?
Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. We appreciate the ruling. I am sorry because I was trying to reach Hon. Omboko, who had reached out to me. I was not aware he had not written to the Office of the Speaker. Maybe the communication has already come. I had raised this issue before Hon. Omboko. So, it was actually in the proceedings of the House. I hope that in the meantime, it can reach your office bec…
If it is of great national importance, it is also important for the Hon. Members to just follow the Standing Orders. If we do not follow them, we will be accused of disobeying the rules of the House. We still have time. For efficiency, let us allow the Members who are present to ask their Questions and give the Cabinet Secretary an opportunity to answer. I am sure some of you have reached out to t…
Hon. Deputy Speaker, I rise to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Education the following Question: Could the Cabinet Secretary—
I now give the opportunity to the Cabinet Secretary to respond to the Question. Hon. Members, I have received communication from Hon. Omboko indicating that he has nominated the Member for Gilgil, Hon. Martha Wangari, to ask the Question on his behalf. Hon. Martha, I will allow you to ask the Question. The Cabinet Secretary, Ministry of Education : Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker and Hon. Members…
[(Mr Julius Ogamba)]
Yes, continue.
Chairperson, report to the House.
Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the Privatisation Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.36 of 2025) , and approved the same with amendments.
Mover? Leader of the Majority Party.
Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I also request Hon. Oundo to second the Motion for agreement with the report of the Committee of the whole House.
I second.
[(Question proposed)]
I cannot put the question before you move the recommittal.
Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the
Hon. Lochakapong, you have to be on the Hansard. Come to where the Leader of the Majority Party is or go to where the Member of Parliament for Kesses is.
Hon. Temporary Speaker, I second.
[(Question put and agreed to)]
THAT, clause 45 of the Bill be deleted. I propose that Clause 45 be deleted in its entirety in reference to clauses 52 all the way up to clause 58 that we deleted. The justification is that the Appeals Board of 50 and 51 has now been moved to court and, therefore, this one stands. The Temporary Chairlady : Mover, move reporting.
[(Question proposed)]
[(Question that words to be left out be left out, put and agreed to)]
[(Clause 45 deleted)]
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the Committee do report to the House its consideration of the Privatisation Bill, (National Assembly Bill No. 36 of 2025) , and its approval thereof with amendments.
[(Question proposed)]
[(Question put and agreed to)]
[(The House resumed)]
The Hon. Temporary Chairlady.
Thank you Hon. Temporary Speaker. I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole House has considered the Privatisation Bill, (National Assembly Bill No. 36 of 2025) , and approved the same with amendments.
Mover of the Bill. Are you in agreement with the Report?
Hon. Temporary Speaker I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said Report. I also request Hon. Kirima to second the Motion for agreement with the Report of the Committee of the Whole House.
[(Hon. Moses Kirima spoke off the record)]
You have to be on record.
I beg to second, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Yes, I support.
[(Question proposed)]
Hon. Members, the Question will be put another time in the future. Next Order.
[(Putting of the Question on the Motion deferred)]
Leader of Majority Party, you will move the Second Reading.
Hon. Temporary, I beg your indulgence to move this debate to tomorrow. We defer this debate to tomorrow.
Fair enough. Hon. Members, under the circumstances, the Chairperson has directed that this matter be placed in the Order Paper for tomorrow afternoon. Next Order!
Where is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry and Mining? Leader of the Majority Party, where is the Member? He is not here to move the Motion.
Hon. Temporary Speaker, I, again, beg your indulgence because the Chairperson of this particular Committee and the Chairperson of the Committee on Regional Integration...
We will take one Order at a time.
Hon. Temporary Speaker, this Chairperson is involved in another parliamentary engagement this evening and, therefore, I beg your indulgence.
Fair enough! Under the circumstance, I accept and direct that this matter be placed on the Order Paper at an appropriate date in future, when the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry and Mining will be able to prosecute this Motion. Next Order.
Is the Hon. Chairperson of the Committee on Regional…
[(Loud consultations)]
Hon. Chairman. Hon. Temporary Speaker, sorry! I was used to the Committee of the whole House addressing the Chairman. Again, the Chairperson of this Committee is engaged in that meeting of chairpersons and, therefore, he is not available.
Fair enough. What is your plea?
Defer the Motion to tomorrow afternoon.
Defer this to another date?
Yes.
The Temporary Speaker directs that this Motion, which is a Report by the Chairperson of the Committee on Regional Integration, be deferred to an appropriate date in the future when the Chairperson will be in the House. Next Order.
This is the same Chairperson for the Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry and Mining. Leader of the Majority Party, this Chairperson is not in the House now.
Yes, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I know there is a meeting of the Liaison Committee involving many chairpersons.
Okay. Is your prayer in this matter that it be moved to a date in the future?
Yes.
The Temporary Speaker directs that this matter also appears on the Order Paper at a date in future when the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry and Mining can prosecute the Motion. Next Order.
The Chairperson of this Committee is one of the most.… How come Dr Nyikal is not around today when he has a matter on the Order Paper? He is always around. Today is an exception. He must have thought that my business was going to be concluded before we got to his.
Hon. Temporary Speaker, Dr Nyikal is a very diligent Chairperson and Member of this House. He was here up to about 7.30 p.m. when he went for that meeting. That is the only reason why Dr Nyikal is not here.
The Temporary Speaker directs that this matter be placed on the Order Paper at an appropriate date when Hon. (Dr) Nyikal can prosecute his Bill.
Hon. Members, there being no other business on the Order Paper today, and the time being 8:25 p.m. this House stands adjourned until Thursday, 9th October 2025, at 2:30 p.m. The House rose at 8.25 p.m.
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