National Assembly · Afternoon Sitting

Mhe. Spika, naomba kuwasilisha waraka ufuatayo Mezani: Ripoti ya Kamati ya Utangamano wa Kikanda kuhusu ukaguzi wa asasi zisizo huru kikamilifu za Jumuia ya Afrika Mashariki na ushoroba wa kati katika Jamhuri ya Muungano ya Tanzania. Shukran.

Thank you. The Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Trade, Industry and Co-operatives.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table: Report of the Departmental Committee on Trade, Industry and Co-operatives on the vetting of Ms. Regina Akoth Ombam for appointment as Principal Secretary, State Department for Trade. Thank you.

Thank you. The Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Health.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table:

Thank you, Daktari. Next Order.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, taking into consideration the findings of the Departmental

Thank you. Next is the Chairperson, Departmental Committee on Health.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, taking into consideration the findings of the Departmental

Thank you, Chairman. Clerk, you can go back to Order No. 2.

Hon. Nyamita, take the nearest seat. Hon. Members, I want to give a short Communication on an incident of violent altercation between a sitting Member and a former Member of Parliament.

I wish to inform the House that I am in receipt of an Incident Report from the Chief Serjeant-at-Arms, through the Clerk of the National Assembly, regarding a violent altercation that occurred within the precincts of Parliament yesterday, Tuesday, 8th April 2025. The altercation, which is captured in a video in circulation, involved Hon. Umulkher Harun Mohamed, MP, a Member of this House, and Hon…

Parliament. When you bring in any visitor, lawyers will tell you of the doctrine of “Rylands versus Fletcher”, which automatically applies. If you collect and keep any dangerous animal, substance or material and such material, animal or substance harms people, then you are directly responsible for any such harm.

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Yes, Hon. Mbai, do you want to fight? It is an honourable fight!

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Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 42 (e) , I rise to make a Personal Statement regarding the unfortunate incident that occurred yesterday within the precincts of Parliament and is now, unfortunately, in public circulation. Hon. Speaker, yesterday afternoon on my way to the Mosque to make my Sala prayers, I met the Member for EALA and former Nominated Senator, H…

Thank you Hon. Umulkher. I can also confirm that immediately after the incident, about an hour thereafter, Hon. Umulkher sent to Hon. Speaker a message of regret and apology for the indignity visited on the House of Parliament with that incident. Thank you Hon. Umulkher. Once I hear from Falhada and get a full investigation report, you are still not off the hook. Both you and whoever did the reco…

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Order, Hon. Members. If I give you an opportunity to speak, you are going to discuss the conduct of the person of Hon. Umulkher without a substantive motion, which is against the Standing Orders. Whatever sympathies you have for or against her, quietly go to her and tell her so that she can feel your empathy. But I will not allow you to comment because it will offend our Standing Orders. Sen. Fal…

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Hon. Speaker, I need to mention that I am short-sighted and so, when I was in the middle of the scuffle, I noticed Hon. Mpuru was recording the video. Immediately after the incident, I approached him and asked him not to release the video because he was the only person who was recording. I wonder what his intention was and I wonder if this was a targeted attack and if he was part of the incident. …

There is no scientific evidence to that.

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Hon. Speaker, it is in the doctrine of the female dressing that we wear white to show peace. I want to let the House know that Hon. Mpuru is the one who was recorded the clip.

I can tell you, Hon. Umulkher, that in the 12th Parliament, we were violently attacked in that Gallery by the Member for Thika Town, Hon. Alice Ng’ang’a, and she was dressed in white. Your statement is, therefore, not true.

Hon. Speaker, in Islam, white means a different message. I saw him record it and I want to ask him why he did that because he was the only person who was...

Do not ask him! Leave him to the Hon. Speaker.

Thank you Hon. Speaker.

We will deal with it once the investigations are over. Commissioner Makau, what is it? Not on this matter?

Indeed, thank you, Hon. Speaker. You have ruled accordingly. I want to inform the House that yesterday, when I was having lunch, I was seated next to the Member for Lari, Hon. Kahangara. Hon. Speaker, you have ruled very well

because if we escalate this matter, it will still go to the public and it is our duty to protect Parliament by all means. As you have guided, I request that we leave this matter here because, as a Member of the Parliamentary Service Commission (PSC), I witnessed and saw who recorded the clip. I thought that because he is an experienced Member of Parliament, he will not release it to protect the i…

Hon. Makau, assist in the investigations by recording a statement at the Parliament Police Station.

Hon. Speaker, I am the Chairman of the Commission Committee on Security and Development. It will be my rightful duty to do that. Thank you.

On a light note, Hon. Nyikal tells me that when Hon. Njuno and Hon. Njiru violently fought here, they ended up being treated by him at the Intensive Care Unit (ICU) at Kenyatta National Hospital.

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Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, taking into consideration the findings of the Departmental Committee on Trade, Industry and Co-operatives in its Report on the vetting of nominee for appointment as Principal Secretary, State Department for Trade, laid on the Table of the House on 9th April 2025 and, pursuant to the provisions of Article 155 (3) (b) of the Constitu…

Hon. Irene Mayaka.

Mhe. Spika, naomba kutoa arifa ya Hoja ifuatayo: KWAMBA, Bunge la Taifa liridhie Ripoti ya Kamati ya Utangamano wa Kikanda kuhusu ziara ya ukaguzi kwa taasisi zisizo huru kikamilifu za Jumuia ya Afrika Mashariki na ushoroba wa kati katika Jamhuri ya Muungano ya Tanzania, iliyowasilishwa kwenye Meza ya Bunge Jumanne, 9 Aprili 2025. Ahsante.

Thank you. Many of you should try and emulate that. Kiswahili and English enjoy equal status under our Constitution.

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Hon. Speaker, I seek your indulgence on a matter of procedure. This is a legislative House. The process of legislation begins when a Bill is tabled for First Reading. When a Bill has not appeared on the Floor of the House, it is no longer part of the process of this House. Even the Standing Orders prohibit anticipation of debate. Some very sensitive and important Bills for the country come to this…

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I am happy the Leader of the Majority Party has arrived. We are supposed to pass the Finance Bill by 30th June. It can come on 26th, 25th, or 1st of June. As of today, the public is being fed with lies that there is taxation on trees and oxygen. There is no Finance Bill in this House. Hon. Speaker, I do not think we have seen any clause of any Finance Bill with your approval before this House. In…

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Yes, Leader of the Majority Party. Hold your horses.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Let me first thank the Leader of the Minority Party for raising this issue. Indeed, I had a discussion with the Leader of the Minority Party over this issue on WhatsApp very late last night, at about 1.45

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revenue. That is why it is a statement on revenue-raising measures that the Cabinet Secretary comes to read at the beginning of June. This is just to implore Kenyans that one, not to believe the lies and; two, to fact-check. Last year, 2024, Kenyans were fed with all manner of disinformation and falsehoods on what was contained in the Finance Bill. A week or two before the consideration of that B…

Wind up.

In conclusion, Hon. Speaker, part of the benefits were the tax waivers that Kenyans enjoy today. Kenyans were denied the waivers last June through the Finance Bill, 2024. They had to wait until 27th December 2024 for the tax laws to become effective for them to enjoy the waivers. I support what Hon. Junet has said and implore on Kenyans to fact-check. When Bills are published, please, make a point…

Hon. Kimani. I will not open debate on this. You are the Chairman of the Committee. I speak from the authority of the Chair. I have not approved any Finance Bill to be brought to this House. Neither have I approved any request for taxation measures to be brought to this House for debate and approval or rejection. Hon. Kimani.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. At the outset, I thank the Leader of the Minority Party for raising this matter on the Floor of the House. The incident he is speaking about happened in a show on NTV called Fixing the Nation. I congratulate Nation Media Group for that particular discussion. What the show was trying to do was to inform Kenyans about the budget-making process. We start from the Budget Outlo…

Thank you. I repeat: There are no tax proposals before this House. There is no Finance Bill before the Speaker for approval or before this House. Any misinformation, disinformation or propaganda should desist forthwith. We are raising unhelpful tensions for nothing. Let us leave the matter there. Clerk-at-the-Table, call out Order No.8 so that we can put the question before we go to Questions and…

(National Assembly Bill NO. 7 OF 2025)

Members on their feet, take your seats. Hon. Members, I now put the question at Order No. 8. I confirm we have quorum to vote.

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[(The Bill was read a Second Time and committed to the Committee of the whole House)]

Let us go to Order No. 9.

Thank you. The Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning has asked me to clarify that there is no Finance Bill that has been approved by the Speaker to come before this House. Is that okay, Hon. Kimani? Anything else you are doing is not in question. What was publicised regarding a Finance Bill taxing trees, goats, cows and all manner of things is not accurate. We all…

Hon. Speaker, I rise to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Education the following Question: Could the Cabinet Secretary—

On a point of order Hon. Speaker.

Hon. Tandaza.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Is the Hon. Member in order to skip the first part of the Question in the Order Paper and thereby rearranging such that when she is in part five, she says it is part four? She has not read out the first part of the Question as it appears in the Order Paper. Thank you.

She did.

No, she has not. That is why she said the last part of the Question was part four instead of part five. She did not read the first part of the Question.

She started with the first part of the Question. I was following.

Then how did she end up with part five of the Question being part four if she started with part one? Thank you, Hon. Speaker.

Hon. Tandaza, that Question has only four limbs – Parts (a) , (b) , (c) and

I am sorry, Hon. Tandaza. I have been told that you are looking at the earlier Order Paper. We have a Supplementary Order Paper, where there is proper sequencing. Cabinet Secretary, proceed. The Cabinet Secretary for Education : Hon. Speaker, it is, indeed, correct that Section 95 (2) (e) of the Basic Education Act, 2013 provides for regulations for the integration of Madrassa, Duksi and past…

[(Mr Julius Migos Ogamba)]

[(Several Hon. Members consulted loudly along the gangway)]

On a point of order, Hon. Speaker.

Cabinet Secretary, hold on. Yes, Hon. Umul Kheir?

Hon. Speaker, I cannot hear the good Cabinet Secretary because there is a lot of murmuring from meetings around here.

Order, Hon. Members. Members on your feet, take your seats. Can the illegal Kamukunji in front of the Clerks-at-the-Table desk be disbanded? Disband that Kamukunji. Serjeant-at-Arms, can you improve the volume of the microphone of the Cabinet Secretary? Go on, Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Education : Hon. Speaker, as we speak, the National Education Sector Strategic Plan, 2023-2…

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[(Mr Julius Migos Ogamba)]

Curriculum (CBC), while ensuring that the spiritual needs of learners are respected. We held constructive consultations with Muslim religious leaders, education experts, county education boards and civil society actors to ensure the cultural and religious relevance in the design of the integration process. The involvement of those broad range of stakeholders is intended to ensure that the integra…

Hon. Umul Kheir.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Already, the pastoral programme of instruction has partly been operationalised. I just want to hear the exact timelines, tafadhali Cabinet Secretary. When you speak about the North-Eastern Region, we have close to 900,000 children who are out of school because they have been affected by the same issue I am raising here on the Duksi and Madrassa. Mandera alone has 280,000 c…

Hon. Raso.

Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. Listening to the Questioner and the Cabinet Secretary, I think what the Hon. Member from Mandera is asking is whether Madrassa and Duksi can become part of formal education in Kenya, considering that Madrassa and Duksi are part of formal Islamic education? The Cabinet Secretary has been struggling to tell us whether it can actually form part of formal education, …

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Education : Thank you, Hon. Speaker. On the question relating to whether or not Madrassa and Duksi can become part and parcel of our formal education, the answer is yes. I have indicated that we are working on a policy and strategies to integrate it in the Competency Based Curriculum (CBC) . We have

[(Mr. Julius Migos Ogamba)]

indicated with respect to timelines that we are working towards ensuring that they will be fully part and parcel of our formal education by the 2027-2029 Quarter. So, integration is taking place. The policy and guidelines are being prepared. We will undertake public participation to seek for wide acceptance of the policy and the guidelines by Kenya so that this becomes part and parcel of our educa…

Thank you, Cabinet Secretary. Member for Kathiani, Hon. Robert Mbui. Question 036/2025

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Matters of education are very sensitive to Members. We will need a lot of time with the Cabinet Secretary – Maybe, a monthly session with him. Hon. Speaker, could the Cabinet Secretary –

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary of Education : Thank you, Hon. Speaker. The response to part (a) of the Question is that the Ministry, through the Kenya Institute of Curriculum Development (KICD) , distributes books to learners across the country at the ratio of one core textbook per learner per subject. There is a table that we have provided that indicates the distribution of textbooks…

[(Mr Julius Migos Ogamba)]

Hon. Memusi.

Hon. Speaker, I want to tell the Cabinet Secretary, without fear of contradiction, that the books do not reach the schools. He has stated that from 2018 to the 2023/2024 Financial Year, they have been distributing books. But I can tell him that I have schools that have not received books for the last five years. I wonder whether, when the Cabinet Secretary receives Questions from Members, he gets …

Ask the question, Hon. Memusi. Avoid the temptation to make a speech or debate.

Hon. Speaker, I need the place where I am come from to be understood. Is the information the Cabinet Secretary is giving us from the ground or from technocrats at the Headquarters in Nairobi?

Hon. Oundo.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Allow me to ask a supplementary question on Junior Secondary School (JSS) teachers. Is the Cabinet Secretary aware that many JSS schools have, at the very best, three teachers for Grades 7, 8, and 9? Is he aware that some schools have more than one stream? Is he aware that, at times, teachers are required to teach subjects that they have never been trained on, which wastes…

Hon. Zamzam.

Ahsante, Mhe. Spika. Hizo

Hon. Bensuda.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I have two questions.

Ask only one question. A joyrider asks only one question.

I will join them in a minute. One, could the Cabinet Secretary inform this House the level of staff establishment and the ratio of teachers? Some secondary schools were categorised as adequately staffed while others were not. I am concerned because several schools in Homa Bay County are totally understaffed. What is the staff establishment and what is the ratio per school? Previously, the Governm…

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Education : Thank you, Hon. Speaker. The information we are submitting is collected from both the ground and the Headquarters. Normally, it would be collected from the ground, sent to the Headquarters and collated for us to submit to this House. So, it is done at both levels. If there are schools that have been indicated to have been supplied with book…

[(Mr Julius Migos Ogamba)]

from the World Bank. We continue working with our partners towards improving school facilities. Thank you. I submit.

Hon. Kassim Tandaza, ask Question 38/2025. Question 38/2025

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I beg to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Education the following Question: Could the Cabinet Secretary:

Let the Cabinet Secretary answer the Question before we have joyriders. The Cabinet Secretary for Education : Thank you, Hon. Speaker. To prepare for Senior School, the Government has begun re-tooling a total of 131,246 Senior School teachers to transition their students to Senior School. In order to mitigate the challenges of handling the new learning areas and technical subjects, the Ministry …

[(Mr Julius Migos Ogamba)]

Hon. Shimbwa. Sorry! Hon. Shimbwa, hold on! Member for Changamwe, take your seat. Let us give the owner of the Question the first bite.

[(Hon. Omar Mwinyi remained upstanding in his place)]

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I do not know whether the Cabinet Secretary read my Question and whether he is answering Question 038 of

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Hon. Omar Mwinyi.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Listening to the questions which we normally ask whenever cabinet secretaries come here, I feel it would be proper for the Cabinet Secretary to prepare a list of all the constituencies in the country and indicate the number of teachers that they have and the shortages. The purpose of that would be to correct those anomalies so that we can create the equity for ev…

TSC can then make what you call affirmative action to correct the anomalies that are there within the Ministry. Since the Cabinet Secretary is here, I would also want to get an answer from him on how he is dealing with the principals who are still refusing to give certificates to the learners who have completed school.

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Cabinet Secretary, you will respond to those ones. Question No. 38 of 2025 requires data. If you do not have the data, the provision of the data can, upon request, be delivered to a date we may specify. Kindly respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Education : Hon. Temporary Speaker, thank you for that guidance. It is true that I have not stipulated the number of teachers in each pathway. I have give…

[(Mr Julius Migos Ogamba)]

Hon. Members, for the convenience of the House, in case it takes long for the Cabinet Secretary to get the data and him returning to the plenary, it can be delivered to the Departmental Committee on Education. The Committee can then invite all Members to scrutinise the data and ensure that the information needed in terms of how teachers are allocated to constituencies is represented. Cabinet Secr…

[(Mr Julius Migos Ogamba)]

Moi. This time round, they will be held accountable once we do the quantification of the loss that the students have undergone. For instance, currently, the students are supposed to be applying to the Kenya Universities and Colleges Central Placement Service (KUCCPS) to get admission into university. So, when you hold their certificates, it means they will not be able to do so. You are actually k…

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I know that is a very crucial matter for all Members of Parliament. I think the point the Cabinet Secretary is making is that it is wrong for any institution to hold back the life and progress of any student, especially considering that majority of them are children and, therefore, fall under the law he has quoted in Article 53 of the Constitution. Cabinet Secretary, that is a matter you are passi…

This Question is by the Member for Githunguri, Hon. Gathoni Wamuchomba.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. With your permission, allow me to just stress to the Cabinet Secretary that it is imperative for him to always pronounce statements in this House that are followed by actions. I refer to a session in November last year when we inquired about the preparedness of the Junior Secondary School (JSS) Grade 9 classrooms. He came here and assured us that the classes wou…

Hon. Wamuchomba.

Yes, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Kindly ask the Question on the Order Paper. The matter you are raising can be raised in the context of other relevant questions.

Thank you. I oblige. I beg to ask the following Question. Could the Cabinet Secretary:

Hon. Wamuchomba.

Thank you, Cabinet Secretary, for the response. However, I am not satisfied with your statement that no student has been suspended from NEMIS from Githunguri Constituency. This is backed by some facts that I can table on the Floor of this House. Over 311 students, as of 25th March this year, were not in NEMIS. The teachers complained that every time they tried to return the students to the system,…

Hon. Catherine Omanyo, do you want to joyride on this Question?

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I have a concern. According to Vision 2030, by now, we should be having equal opportunities in education for all children in Kenya. If any student goes to school, they should be assured that they will learn without being sent home for lack of fees. What is your plan in assuring that we do not have some students in Kenya who are always thrown out of class for lack…

Thank you. Respond, Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Education : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. On the 311 students that have not been returned to NEMIS, for one reason or another, I urge the Hon. Member to share with us that information so that we can find out. If they have met the requirements of the birth certificates or assessment number, they should be uploaded back so that …

[(Mr Julius Migos Ogamba)]

data. The Clerk-at-the-Table will share it with you. If there is any more information that you require, please, let us know so that we can coordinate and sort it out. On the question of equal opportunities, the headteachers are not allowed to send learners home for lack of fees because secondary and primary schools are funded by the Government, unless it is the portion that relates to boarding th…

The next Question is on the same subject matter. Let me allow Hon. Simon King’ara to ask it, and then we can have more joyriders to stretch the matter. For the convenience of the House, it is on the same subject matter. Question 40/2025

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I rise to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Education the following Question: Could the Cabinet Secretary—

Thank you. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Education : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Capitation funds are provided to schools based on NEMIS. Each Junior Secondary School is required to do a requisition for a NEMIS code and fill in a capitation grant form application. The headteacher of an institution is expected to upload learners' and bank account details in the NEMIS portal. …

[(Mr Julius Migos Ogamba)]

Hon. Simon King’ara.

Thank you, Cabinet Secretary, for the answer. However, my question is: Noting that this money is to facilitate the school, what will happen now that the term has lapsed?

Hon. Mulanya.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I want to take a rider on part one of the Question, particularly on capitation to Junior Secondary School. Could the Cabinet Secretary tell us how much school fees parents are required to pay?

Hon. Mulanya, your question should be asked when the next question is raised. This one deals with registration on NEMIS. Take your seat. When the next Question by Hon. Ruweida Obo is asked, I will give you the chance to ride on it.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Hon. (Dr) Wilberforce Oundo.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I just want the Cabinet Secretary to confirm if he is aware that Milimani and Sirekeresi Primary Schools in Funyula Constituency got a registration certificate sometime last year. However, up to now, they have not been registered to receive the capitation. He might not have the information now, but he could go back and counter-check and take the necessary action. Could he e…

Hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Education : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. On the question on Milimani Secondary School, I do not have that data and information. The Hon. Member could request those two headteachers to write to us so that we can understand what the challenge is with respect to them being uploaded. We can then deal with it since the registration has already be…

[(Mr. Julius Migos Ogamba)]

However, the policy is that whether or not the parents pay for that particular portion, the student should never be sent home for lack of payment of that money. That is the position because it is free primary and secondary education. That is an arrangement between the school and the parents. You cannot send away the children because the parents have not paid for lunch.

Member of Parliament for Lamu East, Hon. Captain Ruweida Obo, to ask Question 41 of 2025

Thank you.

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Just hold on, Hon. Ruweida. Hon. King’ara, is there a matter that has not been clarified?

Yes, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I think I was not answered on what would happen. They were supposed to have the money as the school was open but there is that deficit. Is there a re-imbursement of the same?

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Education : Unfortunately, Hon. Temporary Speaker, there is no provision for re-imbursement. Since they were not in the system, it is not possible for us to do so. It might not be fair but that is the position. Perhaps, we will re-look at that and see what else we can do under different dates to resolve that particular issue.

[(Mr. Julius Migos Ogamba)]

I request Hon. Ruweida Obo to proceed and ask her Question. Question 041/2025

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I rise to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Education the following Question: Could the Cabinet Secretary―

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Education : The approved capitation grant for secondary schools is Ksh22,244 per learner. For boarding schools, this amount is supplemented by household contributions that parents pay as boarding fees, also at prescribed rates. The breakdown of that approved amount per unit cost is as follows: Learning and teaching materials for the exam…

[(Mr. Julius Migos Ogamba)]

Lamu East has six public secondary schools as follows: Patte Girls, Siyu, Faza, Sheikh Msallam, Kizingitini and Kiunga secondary schools. All the six schools receive the FDSE funds which includes the repair, maintenance and improvement component. Kizingitini Secondary School is situated in Kizingitini Village, Faza Division in Lamu East Sub-County. The school is a mixed day secondary school, bor…

Does Hon. Ruweida Obo confirm the responses as satisfactory?

Nakushukuru, Mhe. Spika wa Muda, kwa sababu majibu kutoka kwa Waziri ni mazuri na pia amenipatia information zaidi. Lakini, masikitiko ni kuwa shule zinamtegemea Mbunge kwa pesa za maintenance. Ndiyo maana nilileta suala hilo hapa. Dirisha ikiharibika, hairekebishwi mpaka hazina ya National Government Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF) ifanye marekebisho au renovation. Huwezi kuendeleza mbe…

pesa za kutosha. Katika jibu lako, umesema kuwa pesa hizo zimetumika kwa upande wa operations. Hiyo ni kweli kwa maana hawana walimu. Wanatumia pesa hizo kuwaandika walimu. Umeona taabu tulizonazo katika shule hizo. Natarajia kuwa ukija hapa wakati mwingine, useme kuwa umeligawia eneo la Kizingitini Ksh100 milioni kama vile shule ya Alliance na kwingineko.

Thank you, Hon. Obo. I have allowed you to say that much because of where you come from. The last joyrider will be Hon. Julius Sunkuli. He will take precedence.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I just want to emphasise on the Question by Hon. Ruweida. Could the Cabinet Secretary consider visiting some of the schools to ascertain for himself the fact that capitation funds are not applied transparently? In many places, you cannot point to a project that has been done by capitation maintenance, but we can point out those that are done by the NG-CDF because the NG-CDF…

Hon. Makali Mulu, and then lastly, Hon. Mulanya.

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I would like to re-phrase Hon. Sunkuli’s question. Is there a system within the Ministry which monitors how those resources are used? I do not think the Cabinet Secretary can go to all the schools in Kenya. Is there a department or unit which internally monitors how all the resources are used? On the issue of capitation, the other challenge which appli…

Hon. Makali Mulu, I thought Parliament should come after education and health.

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Hon. Temporary Speaker, from what Members are saying in terms of the National Government Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF) , we are doing everything for schools. So, even when that capitation goes to the headteachers, it is only the NG-CDF that helps out. When I talk about the parliamentary allocation, I mean the money that goes to the patronage of Members, not the money for our own use.

Thank you for the question. Cabinet Secretary, Hon. Makali Mulu is in the Budget and Appropriations Committee. Take his questions very seriously. Lastly on this one, let us have Hon. Mulanya.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. My question is in regard to capitation for junior secondary schools. I am aware that the Ministry has a guideline whereby the Government provides Ksh15,000 for junior secondary schools. However, you will find that the headteachers are charging Ksh3,000 per term for junior secondary school students. Could the Cabinet Secretary provide the regulated school fees for

junior secondary schools so that it is well known and parents do not suffer? I foresee a situation whereby junior secondary schools will be a problem because every time we issue bursaries; the junior secondary school parents are also on our case requesting for the same. On a further note, could the Cabinet Secretary also give us the policy directive the Ministry will follow to ensure that the gui…

Noted, Hon. Mulanya. Cabinet

Cabinet Secretary, before you sit, what percentage of the money goes to schools, or is there a definite percentage which goes towards general repair and maintenance that the Members here can help the Ministry cross-check when they do general oversight in their constituencies? The Cabinet Secretary for Education : Yes. For secondary schools, it is Ksh5,000 per student that goes for maintenance an…

[(Mr Julius Migos Ogamba)]

Hon. Members, you now know what to check in terms of your roles under Article 95 of the Constitution. Hon. Chiforomodo is to ask Question 42/2025 on behalf of the Member for Kaloleni, Hon. Paul Katana. The ruling I am giving even with his notable presence in the House is that this Question has been responded to. Cabinet Secretary, this is a Question concerning failure by various schools to issue …

[(Question 42/2025 declared already answered)]

Question 43/2025

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I rise to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Education the following Question: Could the Cabinet Secretary:

proficiency assessments and certification. The Government has also continued to recruit and capacity-build adult education officers, instructors, and facilitators, to ensure quality delivery of services. There is also monitoring and evaluation through a structuring monitoring and evaluation framework in place to track learner enrolment, completion, progression, and feeding the national education d…

Hon. (Dr) Joyce Osogo Bensuda, any rejoinder? Hon. Atieno Bensuda Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I would like to appreciate the fair attempt by the Cabinet Secretary. However, I request the Cabinet Secretary to ensure that what he has explained has a lot of value by having them operationalised and implemented practically, in the community. I request that tabulated data

[(Homa Bay County, ODM)]

be provided to Members so that we know. Those issues affect us as a country during the elections. The people who have dropped out of school are supposed to be rehabilitated. If I walked to any Huduma Centre, I do not think I would find the data. Equally, if Huduma centres are supposed to be mobile, they will say they do not have vehicles and fuel because there is no budget. Could that be operation…

Cabinet Secretary, that is for noting, and for further policy refinement. Hon. Charles Nguna, do you want to address the matter of adult education or a separate issue?

Yes, it is just a joyriding question.

Is it on adult education?

Yes.

If it is not related to adult education, I will create time for general questions towards the end. Do we have any person who wants to ride on the matter of adult education? Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi.

I have been here the whole day. The question that has been raised by my colleague is very good. I have not seen any adult education programme in my constituency. I saw the programme when I was very young. How do I know the programme is in my constituency or county? If it is twice a week, we should know, and the venues.

Cabinet Secretary, any further or additional policy guidelines you want to issue or clarify on the matter? The Cabinet Secretary for Education : Hon. Speaker, I am well guided that we need to provide the data so that we can show where the 148,000 centres in the programme are, in the constituencies. We will provide that data to the House so that it is distributed to all constituencies. We take it…

[(Mr Julius Migos Ogamba)]

Thank you, Cabinet Secretary. Member for Nakuru County, Hon. Liza Chelule, ask Question 45 of 2025. Who is that Member? Sorry, we are at Question 44 of 2025 by the Member for Kiambu, Hon. Machua Waithaka.

[(Hon. John Waithaka stood in his place)]

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I was wondering why you have jumped my Question.

I regret the oversight. Question 44/2025

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I rise to request for a statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations, regarding the status of investigations into the death of Ms Agnes Wanjiku Wanjiru. Hon. Temporary Speaker, Ms Agnes Wanjiku Wanjiru, a 21-year-old who lived near the Nanyuki Base of the British Army Training Unit Kenya (BATUK) , was allegedly…

[[The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) took the Chair]]

Where is the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations? He seems not to be in. The Whip of the Majority Party is also not here.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, allow me to respond.

On the same issue?

Yes.

Do you want to fortify that, or you are doing it on behalf of the Committee.

I am doing it on behalf of the Committee.

What are you in the Committee?

I am a ranking Member.

Okay. I thought you were going to raise issues because a similar issue happened in Samburu.

No.

Anyway, proceed.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, this is a matter that has been before the Committee and we have done some public inquiries on that matter. Various agencies have come before us and so, it is a matter that is still alive in the Committee. The Question is well received. We will give the Member a substantive reply in two weeks.

I direct that you have that answer in exactly two weeks’ time from today. Next Order.

There being no more interests by Members to contribute to this Motion, the Mover is called upon to reply. Hon. Members, for the convenience of the House, the Mover shall reply when this particular Motion will be next scheduled for consideration of the House by the House Business Committee in the future. Next Order.

[(Replying to the Motion deferred)]

Hon. Members, again, there being no more interests by Members to contribute to this Motion, the Mover is called upon to reply. Hon. Members, for the convenience of the House, the Mover shall reply to the Motion under the Order No. 13, when it will next be scheduled by the House Business Committee for consideration of the House in future. Next Order.

[(Replying to the Motion deferred)]

Hon. Members, for the convenience of the House, this particular Bill will be stepped down for consideration by the House when it will next be scheduled by the House Business Committee for the House's deliberation in future. The Bill is accordingly stepped down. Next Order.

Is the Chairperson, Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs ready to Move this Bill now or we defer it to the future

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Although this is listed under my Departmental Committee, actually it belongs to the Committee on Defence and Foreign Relations. The reason I say so is because I was invited to make a memorandum and I submitted it to that Committee. So, kindly step it down. It will be clarified whether it is the JLAC that will move it or it is the Committee on Defence and Foreign …

Thank you, Chair, Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs. In fact, looking at the title of the Motion, Treaty Making and Ratification, I think there is a mishap here. For the convenience of the House, this particular Bill will also be stepped down for the House's consideration in future, when the House Business Committee will next schedule it.