National Assembly · Afternoon Sitting

Thank you. Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning, the Member for Kesses.

Thank you so much, Hon. Speaker. I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table: Report of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning on its consideration of the agreement for the establishment of the Africa Finance Corporation. Thank you, Hon. Speaker.

Thank you. Clerk-at-the-Table, call Order 6.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Public Accounts Committee on its examination of the Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial Statements for the National Government Ministries Departments and Agencies for the Financial Year 2021/2022, laid on the Table of the House today. Thank you, Hon. Speaker.

Member for Kesses.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning on its consideration of the of the Agreement for the Establishment of the Africa Finance Corporation, laid on the Table of the House today,

and pursuant to the provisions of Section 8(4) of the Treaty Making and Ratifications Act (Cap.4D), approves the Ratification of the Establishment of the Africa Finance Corporation. Thank you, Hon. Speaker.

Thank you, Hon. Julius. Let us go to Orders 9, 10, 11 and 12 before we come back to Order 7.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move that the Supplementary Appropriations Bill (National Assembly Bill No.8 of 2025) be now read a Third Time. I request Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah, the Leader of the Majority Party, to second.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. As I second, I beg your indulgence to allow me to take this opportunity to thank the Members who stayed on until very late yesterday afternoon to conclude this Appropriation Bill. For the benefit of those who were not in the House, we now have appropriated resources for our Ministries, Departments and Agencies (MDAs) . I am glad that part of that money touches on some of …

The most important thing I noted in this Bill is the additional resources, from appropriations-in-aid (A-in-A) to our universities and part of our healthcare sector like the national referral hospitals. As I mentioned during the debate, most of these resources result from the digitalisation of the resource mobilisation efforts in most of our parastatals. It is important to point out this because i…

Thank you, Leader of the Majority Party.

[(Question proposed)]

Put the Question.

I will now put the Question. I am satisfied that we have enough Quorum in the House to vote on this. Hon. Catherine Omanyo, you cannot do that. You are out of order. This Bill was debated in extenso. I have been mentoring you to be a decent girl. I want you to be so.

[(Hon. Catherine Omanyo consulted loudly)]

[(Laughter) (Applause)]

(The Bill was accordingly read a Third Time and passed)

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move that the County Governments Additional Allocations Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 2 of 2025) be now read a Third Time. I request Hon. Hilary to second.

Hon. Hilary.

Hon. Speaker, I second.

[(Hon. Speaker consulted with Hon. Catherine Omanyo)]

Order, Hon. Members. Take your seats. I am sorry; I was consulting with the Member for Busia County.

[(Question proposed)]

[(Question put and agreed to)]

[(The Bill was accordingly read a Third Time and passed)]

[(Hon. Farah Maalim stood in his place)]

Order. Hon. Farah, take your seat.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move that the Public Finance Management (Amendment) (No. 2) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.26 of 2024) be now read a Third Time. I request Hon. Ruku to second it.

Hon. Speaker, I rise to second the Bill, which is an important component in terms of public finance management, so that we can get it right as a nation. I second.

Thank you. Members on their feet, take the nearest seats.

[(Question proposed)]

[(Question put and agreed to)]

[(The Bill was accordingly read a Third Time and passed)]

Members, on their feet, take your seats. Hon. Ngusya, take your seat.

[(Hon. Charles Nguna stood in his place)]

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move that the Insurance Professionals Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 13 of 2024) be now read a Third Time. I also request the former Member of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning, Hon. Makilap, who has since moved to the Departmental Committee on Education, to second.

Hon. Makilap.

Hon. Speaker, I second.

[(Hon. Charles Nguna stood in his place)]

Order, Members on their feet. Hon. Ngusya, when you sit where you normally sit, you are very calm.

[(Hon. Charles Nguna took his seat)]

Thank you.

[(Question proposed)]

[(Question put and agreed to)]

[(The Bill was accordingly read a Third Time and passed)]

The Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. Speaker, I seek your indulgence that before we go back to Questions and Statements, we consider Order 8, which is a Procedural Motion, and then Order 13.

Please call out Order 8.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 120, this House resolves to reduce the publication period of the Division of Revenue Bill (National Assembly Bill No.10 of 2025) from seven days to two days. I request the Leader of the Majority Party, Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah, to second.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. This is a simple Procedural Motion to reduce the publication period for the Division of Revenue Bill to enable it to undergo public participation and be considered when we resume from the short recess. This will also allow the Senate to begin working on their County Allocation of Revenue Bill. Therefore, it is important to reduce the publication period to two days from the…

[(Question proposed)]

Put the Question.

[(Question put and agreed to)]

Hon. Members, I have received a special request from the County Women Representative for Nandi, Hon. Cynthia Muge, who is number six on the list of requests, to be given priority. She says she has an urgent matter to attend to. I will start with you, Hon. Cynthia.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker, for giving me priority. Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I wish to request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Education regarding the

implementation of the Court Ruling removing age restrictions for participation in school games. On 9th May 2019, the High Court in Mombasa rendered a landmark ruling on Petition No. 65 of 2017, declaring Section 17(iii) of the Kenya Secondary Schools Sports Association (KSSSA) Constitution unconstitutional and invalid. Section 17(iii) provided that a team/player would be banned from participating…

Is the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education present? Is any Member of the Committee present?

The Vice-Chairperson is here.

Vice-Chairperson, Hon. Eve Obara, bring a response in two weeks.

Noted. Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker.

Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44(2)(c), I rise to request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs regarding the recent violent clashes between police and residents of Likuyani Constituency. An altercation between a Nyumba Kumi official and a community member on 4th March 2025 triggered a wave of demonstrations, destructi…

Hon. Tongoyo, when can you bring a response?

Hon. Speaker, we can do that immediately after we resume from the short recess.

That is in two weeks?

Yes.

Thank you. Let us have Hon. Ali Wario, Member for Garsen.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs regarding the killing of Mr Isaac Jarso Delo in Kone, Garsen Constituency. On 29th December 2024, Mr Isaac Jarso Delo of ID number 23397077 was killed by officers of the Kenya Wildlife Service (KW…

Police Station under OB Number 3291224 and the Directorate of Criminal Investigation (DCI) offices in Kitui and Tana River counties. Whereas the KWS has taken responsibility for the incidents, the circumstances surrounding Mr Jarso’s death remain unresolved. It is against this background that I request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal A…

Hon. Wario, you can raise that concern when the response is given or seek a point of order at a different time so that we can deal with the Statement you have just requested.

I am guided, but I request that in the future, whenever they engage the Ministry, they should call the concerned Member to allow for further interrogation. The families of the abducted and deceased persons are suffering. Thank you.

Thank you. We will soon resume having Cabinet Secretaries coming to answer Questions. You can check with the Table Office and the Leader of the Majority Party to see if your Question can be reframed and relisted for the Cabinet Secretary to answer when he appears here. Hon. Tongoyo, when can you bring a response?

We can do the same when we resume from recess two weeks from now.

Next is Hon. Joseph Tonui, Member for Kuresoi South.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs regarding the operationalisation of administrative units in Kuresoi South Constituency. On 21st July 2017, the Ministry of Interior and National Administration gazetted administrative units, inclu…

It is against this background that I request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs on the following:

Thank you, Hon. Joseph Tonui. Hon. Gabriel Tongoyo?

Hon. Speaker, I seek your indulgence on this matter. You can recall that a question akin to this one has arisen in every sitting we have had. For the record, as I mentioned earlier, we have already scheduled a meeting with the Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration next Thursday, 20th March 2025, to address the question on administrative units comprehensively. As I previously …

Leader of the Majority Party, when will you begin having Cabinet Secretaries come to answer Questions?

As soon as we are back, the first Wednesday, which should be 2nd April.

So, regarding the request for a Statement by Hon. Joseph Tonui and many others of a similar nature, including the issue of classification of hardship areas, you can arrange for the Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration to be the first to appear. This way, you can group all those Questions and Statements for him to respond to. Hon. Joseph Tonui, upon resumption after the short…

Well guided, Hon. Speaker.

Thank you. Next is Hon. Onesmus Ngogoyo, Member for Kajiado North.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Pursuant to Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to seek a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations regarding the special status granted to the Gates Foundation, formerly known as the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Through Kenya Gazette Supplement No. 181 of 2024, the Government granted the Gates Foundat…

programmes, and other development sectors, it is important to clarify the legal basis and justification for these privileges. Further, it will be important to inform the public of the full scope of activities of the foundation in Kenya and whether the privileges granted are within the established diplomatic norms. While the foundation contributes to national development, it is imperative that its…

Hon. Chairman, Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence, and Foreign Relations. Hon. Bashir, two weeks?

Hon. Speaker, I think we can give this response a week after we resume. These matters also touch on diplomacy, which is a bit complicated. We need at least one week after we resume.

Three weeks is okay. Hon. Joseph Gitari, Member for Kirinyaga Central.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I wish to request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Committee on Education regarding the implementation of the Career Progression Guidelines for teachers. In 2017, the Teachers Service Commission (TSC) adopted the Career Progression Guidelines, effectively replacing the previous Schemes of Service. The new fr…

Thank you, Hon. Gitari. Hon. Geoffrey Ruku, Member for Mbeere North.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I wish to request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Lands regarding the settlement of Ngiiri Market squatters in Mbeere North Constituency. Construction of Kiambere Multipurpose Dam between 1983 and 1988 attracted staff and casual labourers to the site. The staff and other labourers …

Order, Hon. Ruku. Do you want to start debating your Statement?

Hon. Speaker, I just want to say one thing. It is unfortunate that the people living in Mutitu Location around Ngiiri have been denied an

opportunity to plant ndengu by TARDA, year in, year out. Yet, this what they can use to support their families, That Authority should be abolished.

Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Lands, Hon. Nyamoko.

We can bring a response in three weeks.

Three weeks?

Yes, Hon. Speaker.

I did not commit the request for a Statement by Hon. Joseph Gitari to the relevant Departmental Committee on Education. I saw the Chairperson of the Committee, Hon. Melly, in the Chamber. Leader of the Majority Party, communicate to the Departmental

I will. He is consulting with the Vice- Chairperson behind you.

The Committee should respond within two weeks.

Two weeks.

Hon. Ruku, as the Chairperson of the Committee has said, you will receive a response in two weeks. Hon. Irene Mayaka.

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I wish to request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Social Protection on the status of the campaign to end Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) by

Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Social Protection. Who is the Chairperson? Hon. Owen, communicate to the Chairperson to respond in three weeks.

Much obliged, Hon. Speaker.

Hon. Walter Owino.

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I wish to request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure regarding the safety of road users along the Isebania-Kisii- Ahero Road. The Isebania-Kisii-Ahero Road is a transit route running along the eastern shore of Lake Victoria from Isebania to Lokichogio in northern Kenya and continuing …

Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure, when can you bring a response?

In three weeks, Hon. Speaker.

Hon. Walter, you will get a response in three weeks. Member for Kanduyi. Give him the microphone.

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I wish to request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Lands regarding the registration status of land parcels in Kanduyi Constituency. The land, popularly known as Kiwanja Ndege, located in Kanduyi Constituency within Bungoma County, comprises multiple land parcels registered as L.R. No. Bungoma …

are to be decommissioned following the strategic relocation of airstrip operations to Matulo Airstrip in Webuye, Bungoma County. The relocation of these operations was driven by several considerations, including the need to expand the airstrip into an airport, which necessitated a larger area to accommodate growing operational demands. Consequently, the affected parcels of land are proposed to be…

Let us have the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Lands. Hon. Makali, that airstrip is the property of the Ministry of Transport and Infrastructure. I do not know whether the Departmental Committee on Lands is the correct respondent. I direct that the request be referred to the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure. Hon. GK.

Noted, Hon. Speaker.

When will you bring a response?

In three weeks.

Hon. Thuddeus Nzambia, Member for Kilome.

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I wish to request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security regarding the abolishment of application and replacement fees for national identity cards. On 14th November 2023, the then Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration, vide Gazette Notice No.…

places a disproportionate burden on individuals and families living in poverty, exacerbates existing inequalities and pushes vulnerable populations into deeper economic hardship. It is against this background that I request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security on the following:

Hon. Tongoyo.

Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. I seek your indulgence, having listened keenly to the request from the Member. Just yesterday, the Head of State, who is the President, pronounced that identity cards will be issued for free. He made that directive because he is a listening and caring President, especially on issues that affect the youth, who are the beneficiaries of identity cards. Therefore, Ho…

He has just said so. There are similar requests from the Member for Khwisero and one or two others. You can combine them and just bring an affirmation.

Hon. Speaker, it is good that the information is on record.

He has just said so. Hon. Sabina Chege.

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I wish to request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Defense, Intelligence and Foreign Relations regarding the sentencing of Ms Margaret Nduta Macharia in Vietnam. In July 2023, Ms Margaret Nduta Macharia of ID No.28389979, who hails from Weithaga Village, Kiharu Constituency in Murang’a County,…

Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations, Hon. Major (Rtd) Bashir.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. As I said earlier, there is another similar request. We will consolidate them and bring a response in the first week after recess.

Thank you. Yes, Hon. Josses Lelmengit. Yes, Hon. Sabina. Hold on, Hon. Lelmengit. Take your seat.

Hon. Speaker, I humbly request the Committee to reach out to the Ministry immediately because a Kenyan is facing a death sentence. It is urgent. The deadline for appeal was yesterday, 12th March 2025. I know we are going on recess, but I ask that this request be immediately forwarded to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs so that they can start handling the matter, especially reaching out to the famil…

Hon. Major Bashir, get a hold of the request for a Statement and liaise with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The committees will be working even as we are in recess. Once you have any response, communicate with the questioner and bring a response to the House on the first sitting day after recess.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I am well guided. I will get the Statement and pass it on to the Ministry so that we can get an answer before we resume.

Thank you. Hon. Lelmengit.

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request a Statement from the Chairman of the Departmental

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Education regarding the recognition and inclusion of the Madrasa Education System within the Kenya National Qualifications Framework (KNQF) and its consideration in university admission criteria. Thousands of students in Kenya undergo a 12-yea…

access and retention in regions with high numbers of out-of-school children. With the increasing demand for Sharia-compliant products and services in the region, Kenya has an opportunity to become a hub for capacity development in Islamic studies and Sharia. However, policy gaps hinder expansion in the education sector, limiting Kenya's ability to train professionals for this growing market. It i…

Thank you, Hon. Haro. Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Education. Vice-Chairperson of the Committee. Hon. Obara, can you bring a response?

Yes. Thank you, Hon. Speaker. We will give it as soon as we return from recess in three weeks’ time.

Thank you. Chairperson of the Liaison Committee, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Hold on; we will take a response to a statement by Hon. Tongoyo first. Is Hon. Gitari in the House? It is a response to his request. Go on, Hon. Tongoyo.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I want to respond to the question by the said Hon. Member regarding insecurity in Kirinyaga County. This is a report on the status of the investigation into the killing of a minor, Ms Stacy Nyakio Kinyua, and Mr Peter Karima, as well as the robbery with violence attack on Mbogo’s family. On 4th January 2025, at around 2.30 p.m., the area Assistant Chief, Mr Gerald Nyaga, …

while the wife suffered severe head injuries. The victims were rushed to ACK Mount Kenya Hospital, where they were admitted and are in fair condition. Upon visiting the crime scene, the officers from the said police station recovered one spent cartridge and two live rounds of ammunition. The incident was also booked in Karaini Police Station via OB No. 100301 of 2025, and the investigation commen…

If an officer is rogue in Kirinyaga County and you transfer him elsewhere, does he stop being a rogue?

Not really, Hon. Speaker. The issue was that they had stayed there for too long until they got a lot of familiarity. That was the request put across by then, but I agree with you. They had overstayed. That is why the policy is about three years now. At times, these police officers stay in a particular area, get so familiarised, and even start doing business there. When they are transferred to unkn…

Hon. Gitari, if you participated in the interrogation of the Inspector- General of Police, I believe that will do. Do you have any issues with the Statement?

Hon. Speaker, I have a number of issues.

Go ahead.

First, let me thank the Chairperson for taking up this matter. There was something that was outside the Statement about a rogue police officer who was attacking people around Karaini Police Post. The Chairperson of the Committee and the Inspector-General of Police intervened and transferred him the same day. I am also concerned about what you said about a rogue police officer in Kirinyaga County. …

Yes, Hon. Mogaka.

I thank you, Hon. Speaker, for giving me the opportunity to have a bite on the very good response from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs. I commend the Inspector- General of Police for being hands-on whenever called upon to respond. Indeed, even in my constituency, as the adage goes, familiarity breeds contempt. Whenever police officers and any p…

Will you request for a Statement or issue a Statement?

I will request a Statement when we return from recess.

Thank you. Hon. Tongoyo.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I am happy because the Member confirmed that we got an opportunity to interrogate the Inspector-General of Police. From the Statement he sought, some issues were not captured. The issue of the rogue officer was raised when the Inspector-General of Police appeared before the Committee. It was a subsequent question which was well addressed. The Director of Criminal Investiga…

(DCI) was also there. We told them to speed up the investigations and give us the updated report. When we resume from recess, we will ask them to bring it because investigations keeps changing from time to time. In the Second Supplementary Budget, we allocated resources to the forensic laboratory to help our officers. Some of these organised criminal activities are very complex. At times, they ne…

Yes.

Our officers are on top of things despite the challenges. We are going to make sure that they continue to serve Kenyans accordingly.

Thank you. Hon. Deputy Speaker.

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (b) , as read together with Standing Order 179 (14) , I rise to make a Statement regarding the leadership of the Select Committees. Standing Order 179 (14) requires the Chairperson of the Liaison Committee, by way of a Statement, to notify the House of the duly elected Chairperson and Vice-Chairperson of a Committee when the House …

Audit, Appropriation and General-Purpose Committees

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Leader of the Majority Party, do you want to say something?

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Before you rise, allow me to thank the Deputy Speaker for this Statement. I also note that we have done well in adhering to the election schedule issued by the Office of the Clerk. It is important that even the leadership of the House reflect the diversity of our nation. The leadership of the House, both the Majority and Minority sides, guided the committees to reflect on …

Hon. Speaker, you have noted that sometimes you have to wait for a quorum, yet over 60 Members of this House are Chairpersons and Vice-Chairpersons of committees. The whips do not even need to go looking for a quorum. I know the other efforts you have put in as the Parliamentary Service Commission (PSC) Chairman, including engaging the Salaries and Remuneration Commission (SRC) to ensure that Hon…

[(Applause)]

[(Laughter)]

Give the microphone to Hon. Haika.

Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. I am one of the Chairs. I have got an opportunity to serve as the Chair of the Diaspora Affairs and Migrant Workers Committee. I take this opportunity to appreciate Members for giving me and many other Chairs and Vice-Chairs the opportunity to serve this country. With your guidance, we assure Members and the nation that

we will serve them well. We shall be guided by the Constitution and the Standing Orders of this House. We are also going to protect the rights of Kenyans. I would also like to take this opportunity to thank the President for uniting the country and giving us the opportunity to serve in the broad-based government. In that same spirit, even in this House, all Members have the opportunity to serve K…