National Assembly · Afternoon Sitting

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion:

THAT, this House adopts the report of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security on the budget implementation for Financial Year 2024/2025 for the following offices, State Departments and Agencies laid on the table of the House on Thursday, 27th November 2025.

Chairperson, Departmental Committee on Health, Hon. Nyikal.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT this House adopts the report of the Departmental Committee on Health on the utilisation of funds disbursed by the Social Health Authority since its inception and the challenges faced by health facilities laid on the table of the House on Thursday, 27th November 2025. Thank you.

Hon. Members, before we go to the next Order on Questions and Statements, allow me to dispose of Orders No.8 and 9.

Next Order.

Hon. Members, allow us to go to Order No.12 then come back to Questions and Statements. Read out Order No.12.

I beg to move that the Motion be amended by:

I beg to second the amendment presented by Hon. Marianne. Initially, this had been amended. It is on data of pharmaceutical products and non-tariff measures in relation to health products and technologies. Initially, we thought this would interfere with data of pharmaceutical products with new molecules being brought into the country. For this, it means anybody else has freedom to bring in any ot…

On non-tariff, the agreement says “unless otherwise stipulated”. It implies that we are all subjected to the World Trade Organisation agreement that every country will sign. The non- tariff agreement will not introduce anything on pharmaceuticals that will increase costs. I beg to second. (Question of the amendment proposed)

Hon. Nyikal.

Thank you. I moved one of the amendments and the Committee moved the others. In my view, we should have let the amendments be carried. As much as the details indicate certain provisions, I do not see why we should take risks to pass something that has the possibility, however, slight to cause us discomfort. It could interfere with our pharmaceutical industry, particularly new products and the reg…

Leader of the Majority Party.

I rise to support that particular amendment. As the Seconder of the Motion has said initially, there were indications from the

The Mover to reply.

I beg to reply. The House resolved accordingly: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Departmental Committee on Trade, Industry and Cooperatives on its consideration of the Comprehensive Economic Partnership Agreement between the Republic of Kenya and the United Arab Emirates, laid on the Table of the House on Thursday, 13th November 2025, and pursuant to the provisions of Section 8 (4) of t…

[(Question put and agreed to)]

Ratification Act, CAP 4D, approves the Ratification of the Comprehensive Economic Partnership Agreement between the Republic of Kenya and the United Arab Emirates.

We can now proceed to Questions and Statements. Sorry, I know I have said that we may go to Order No.7. However, allow me to go back to Messages as the Message we were waiting for has just arrived. Read out Order No.3.

Hon. Members, I have a Message on the nomination of a person as Commission Secretary and Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of the Salaries and Remuneration Commission (SRC) . Pursuant to Standing Order 42, I wish to convey a Message from the Chairperson of the SRC relating to the nomination of a person for appointment as Commission Secretary and CEO of SRC. In the Message, the Chairperson states that…

[(Hon. Deputy Speaker consulted with the Clerk-at-the-Table)]

We have a General Statement by the Member for Mbooni, Hon. Erastus Nzioka, on the demise of a former Member of Parliament.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I rise to give a General Statement on the passing on of Hon. Joseph Konzolo Munyao. Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 259D (2) , I rise to pay tribute to the former Member of Parliament for Mbooni Constituency, a former Minister and distinguished statesman. The late Hon. Munyao passed away on Saturday, 22nd November 2025, after a short illness. He was born on 4th M…

Hon. Ngusya. Be brief.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Let me take this opportunity to convey condolences to the family of the late Hon. Munyao, the former Member for Mbooni Constituency. I first met Hon. Munyao in 2002 when he was helping to constitute the NARC Government. I was at the university. He invited university students to a political forum. It was the first time I met Hon. Charity Ngilu, the late President Mw…

On behalf of the people of Mwingi West Constituency and my family, I wish to convey condolences to his family and friends whom he impacted during his life. May the Lord rest his soul in eternal peace. Thank you.

I will give an opportunity to one more Member. Member for Dagoretti South.

Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. On my behalf, my family and the people of Dagoretti South Constituency, I send a message of condolence to the family of Hon. Munyao and the people of Mbooni Constituency. Indeed, I have a very special attachment to Mbooni Constituency. Hon. Kivasu is my Member of Parliament by dint of being the representative of the people who hail from Mbooni, including …

I will give a special indulgence to the Member for Eldas.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I have known Hon. Munyao as a nominated MP, Secretary-General of DP, and Minister for Livestock. In 1999, when Members of Parliament started agitating for their rights – I vividly remember then Hon. Munyao was living in Langata – we formed a group of wise men comprising all Members of Parliament and young legislators. There were times we met at odd hours to discuss …

Hon. Ichung’wah, do you also want to give your condolences? Proceed.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Allow me to take this opportunity to condole with the family of the late Hon. Munyao. The late Munyao will go down in history as a very good leader in our country. Were it not for the late Munyao, we would probably never have had the opportunity to enjoy the services that were rendered to this country by the late President Mwai Kibaki. It is men like the late Munyao…

Hon. Members, let us be upstanding and observe a minute of silence in honour of the late Hon. Munyao. May God rest the soul of Hon. Joseph Konzolo Munyao in eternal peace. We have a request for Statement by Hon. Charles Ngusya. Are you present?

[(Hon. Members observed a minute of silence)]

Yes, I am, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security regarding investigations into the death of Ms Lucia Kithuka in Kitui County. On 17th October 2024, Ms Mukiti Kithuka, a resident of Mwingi West Constituency, was found dead under uncle…

Vice-Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security, Hon. Ali Raso.

Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. This is about death. The life of any Kenyan is important. Considering that next week we are going on long recess, we will ask the Ministry to respond to us in two weeks’ time. We will forward the response to the Hon. Member.

Hon. Members, before we proceed, allow me to recognise students of Light International School from Westlands Constituency, Nairobi County, who are seated in the Speaker's Gallery. On behalf of the National Assembly, we welcome you to the precincts of Parliament. Next is a request for Statement by Hon. Anthony Mupe, the Member for Rabai. Are you present?

Yes, I am here. Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

Pursuant to the provision of Standing Order 44 (2)(c), I rise to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations regarding the recently concluded Kenya Defence Forces (KDF) recruitment exercise in Ruruma Ward, Rabai Constituency. On 15th September 2025, the Ministry of Defence advertised the recruitment of general service o…

Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations. If he is not here, the Leader of the Majority Party can give an undertaking.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, without anticipation, we are bound to go on recess. I ask the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations to deal with this request for Statement within the first week after recess.

Okay. The next request for Statement is by Hon. Amos Mwago, the Member for Starehe, but he has requested for its deferral to a later date. Therefore, the request for Statement is deferred. The next request for Statement is by Hon. Adhe Wario, the Member for North Horr.

[(Request for Statement deferred)]

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Pursuant to the provision of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Tourism and Wildlife regarding the underutilisation of key heritage, ecological and tourism sites in northern Kenya.

Tourism is a key driver of our economy and a significant contributor to economic activity in the country. Northern Kenya is fortunate to host numerous sites rich in cultural heritage that are essential for tourism development and economic growth. These sites include Sibiloi National Park, the archaeological sites in the Lake Turkana Basin, which is the biggest in Africa; and the Chalbi Desert, whi…

Who is representing the Departmental Committee on Tourism and Wildlife? He is not here. The mandate of undertaking falls on you, Leader of Majority Party. Hon. Kangogo, stop preoccupying the Leader of the Majority Party. The Statement was directed at the Departmental Committee on Tourism and Wildlife. Give an undertaking on their behalf.

[(Hon. Kangogo Bowen consulted with Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah)]

Hon. Speaker, again, just like I did in regard to the one directed at the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations, allow me to relay the information to the Chairman to respond to it within the first week of the new Session after the recess, since it may not be possible for them to engage and report before next week.

The last request for Statement is by the Member for Wundanyi, Hon. Mwashako.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I rise to request for a Statement regarding compensation of civil servants retrenched under the Civil Service Reform Programme. Pursuant to the provision of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Labour regarding compensation of civil servants retrenched under the Civil Service Reform Programme II of…

Programme II of 2000, but their efforts have been futile. This resulted in them seeking redress in courts for compensation in the case of Peter Baiye Gichohi and others versus the Honourable Attorney-General vide Nakuru HCC 395 of 2001[2012] eKLR; and James Nyangiye and others versus the Honourable Attorney-General vide Case No.55 of 2013 [2015] eKLR. The petitioners sought orders of the Court fo…

Thank you. Is there anybody from the Departmental

Hon. Deputy Speaker, many of our Chairpersons are out with their committees finalising a number of reports before the end of the financial year. I will relay Hon. Mwashako's request to the Chairman. Again, if you allow, we can have the response done within the first week after recess.

Thank you. Next is the weekly Statement by the Leader of the Majority Party. Please, proceed.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (a) , I rise to give the weekly Statement, on behalf of the House Business Committee, which met on Tuesday, 25th November 2025 to prioritise business for consideration during the week. As Members are aware, the House is expected to proceed on its long recess next week. I, therefore, urge Committees to expedite any pending bu…

the Vice-Chairpersons are not in the House. Several committees are sitting in retreats to finalise with this business. I also encourage Members to be present during the last week of the Fourth Session so that the House concludes with all that is required before we commence the break. With regard to business scheduled for Tuesday next week, the House is expected to consider the Judges’ Retirement …

Thank you. Hon. Members, before we go to Order No.10, there is a Communication that I was supposed to make earlier. It has just arrived.

Hon. Members, I wish to guide the House on the procedure for the consideration of the Product Sharing Contracts (PSCs) and Field Development Plan for Blocks T6 and T7 located in South Lokichar Basin, Turkana County, which have been tabled by the Hon. Leader of the Majority Party. These documents were submitted to the House by the Cabinet Secretary for Energy and Petroleum in accordance with Articl…

the Senate, the Senate shall commence its consideration of the agreement and shall forward its resolution to the National Assembly. Hon. Members, I am aware that the same documents have also been submitted to the Senate. Consequently, I hereby refer the Product Sharing Contract and Field Development Plan for Blocks T6 and T7 located in South Lokichar Basin, to the Departmental Committee on Energy …

What is your point of order, Hon. Leader of the Majority Party?

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg your indulgence if it is not out of time, to request that you reorder to start with the Judges Retirement Benefits Bill (National Assembly No.27 of 2025) Order No.11 before we proceed to Order No.10.

I can grant that request. Read out Order No.11, and then we will come back to Order No.10.

[(Debate on Motion adjourned)]

Where is the Mover? You can reply, Hon. Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, this Bill had already been debated by 99.99 per cent of the Members. I say so because there might be one or two Members who were not in the House and would have opposed the Bill. However, 99.99 per cent supported the Bill. For a long time, the pension of judges has been governed by the Pensions Act Cap.189. The framework’s foundation at the time was sound, but it neither refl…

On a point of information, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

Hon. Ichung’wah, would you like to be informed?

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I do not mind being informed by a former Deputy Speaker.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I wholeheartedly support what the Leader of the Majority Party is saying. However, now that he has mentioned you, the Speaker in the Chair, I would like to inform him that the only institution among the three Arms of Government where the deputy head does not enjoy a pension is Parliament. Even as we pass this law for our brothers and sisters in the Judiciary – as we have done…

Leader of the Majority Party, proceed.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, recently, a Member from Murang'a referred to Hon. Farah as ‘fala’.

[(Laughter)]

I invite anyone who may have an amendment to bring it forward. ‘Anyone’ does not mean Members of Parliament only, but even judicial officers and judges who may have noted something within the debate that they think needs to be amended. This is the time to invite anyone who wants to engage with the Bill. This is important because even very senior people in this country do not understand our process…

Thank you. Hon. Members, let us move to the next Order.

Hon. Chepkonga.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. The Leader of the Majority Party has done an extremely profound job. When you drive through Kikuyu, the work that is going on at the interchange is wonderful. We have never seen anything like that; yet, some people can dare say that nothing has been done by the Leader of the Majority Party. Surely! He is the one who ensured that this thing is done. In fact, there…

Director-General who was causing him problems. When you drive there, you wonder whether you are in New York or California. We have never seen anything like that. People should not be saying certain things in this country. Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, the House adopts the Report of the Committee on Delegated Legislation on its consideration of the Public Finan…

authority has been given that power, and purport to delegate to someone else to make decisions as they deem fit or as they consider appropriate. That in itself goes against the Constitution, which states that no person in Kenya has the power to create any legislation that has the force of law. Purporting to give a third party the power to make laws, contravenes the Constitution and the statutory i…

Hon. Janet.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Just before I second, I want to support the Leader of the Majority Party who said that the President’s plans and strategies to transform this country are a hope for a brighter future for this country. His determination is inspiring and it gives us hope as Kenyans. We thank the President for that. We know that he is determined and focused on transforming this coun…

[(Government Press Fund)]

[(Question proposed)]

Yes, Hon. Oundo.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to contribute to the Public Finance Management Regulations, 2025. I want to go on record as a Member of the Committee on Delegated Legislation in the 12th Parliament. Hon. Chepkonga was not in the 12th Parliament. He was on a leave of absence or sabbatical. While serving in the Committee, very curious issues arose. By the time we …

[(Government Press Fund)]

[(Hon. Samwel Chepkonga spoke off the record)]

some kind of awe. Whenever you heard it mentioned, you would always think many important matters were there. We must find a way of making them autonomous so that they can do their work judiciously and according to the law. It is important for us to understand that in future, we might have a standalone Act of Parliament to ensure that the Government Press remains independent and an accountable ins…

Is there anybody else? Fair enough. There being no further interest, I call upon Hon. Chepkonga to reply.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I want to thank Hon. (Dr) Oundo, a former Member of the Committee on Delegated Legislation. In fact, we hear of a very important contribution that he made in the 12th Parliament. The only thing he says is that I was on leave yet I was not. I just changed roles. I moved from being a Member of Parliament for Ainabkoi Constituency and he elected me as his commission…

He, in effect, promoted you.

Absolutely yes. I used to pay him.

From being a Member of Parliament you became a boss of Parliament.

Yes, Hon. Temporary Speaker. You know, Hon. Oundo’s Committee was nicknamed: “Annulment Committee.” It is because it was extremely strict. As a consequence of that, when we took over we did so with its recommendation of stemming the annulment of regulations by undertaking pre-publication scrutiny. We are now doing it. We did it on this regulation and the next one. That is the reason we did not wan…

Fair enough. Hon. Members, my role is to put the Question.