National Assembly · Afternoon Sitting
Thursday, 6 July 2023
Members debated the Universities Regulations 2023, warning against using subsidiary legislation to amend the Universities Act and urging thorough review. The Kenya Open University was broadly supported as a cost‑effective, e‑learning solution to expand higher education access, especially post‑COVID. However, concerns were raised about exam integrity and the need for robust safeguards in online assessments. Members debated the Consolidated Fund Service report, highlighting inconsistencies in Treasury’s debt‑mix figures and the heavy reliance on domestic borrowing that raises interest costs. They also raised concerns about long‑standing pension payments to retirees from the 1960s and called for stricter oversight of public debt and expenditure. While criticism dominated, there were brief acknowledgments of the President’s anti‑corruption stance. Members debated the establishment of a charter for the Open University of Kenya, highlighting its potential to expand access to higher education for remote and disadvantaged learners. They noted challenges such as network reliability, data costs, and limited course offerings, while urging inclusion of programmes like data science, cyber security, and health promotion. Overall, the discussion was supportive of the initiative despite procedural interruptions.
Serjeant-at-Arms, we have no quorum. Ring the Quorum Bell. Hon. Members, we now have a quorum to transact our business. Hon. Jematiah, Member for Baringo County.
[(The Quorum Bell was rung)]
Chairperson, Select Committee on National Cohesion and Equal Opportunity. Give him the microphone. Use the one on your right.
Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion:
THAT, this House adopts the First Report of the Committee on National Cohesion and Equal Opportunity on the Employment Diversity Audit in Public Institutions, laid on the Table of the House on Thursday, 6th July 2023.
Thank you. Next Order.
Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order No. 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Select
Thank you, Hon. Mishi Mboko. Hon. Samuel Chepkong’a. Chairperson,
Hon. Speaker, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No. 44 (2) (d) and 210 (5A) to report to the House the list of the statutory instruments that have been approved under Paragraph 4 (a) of the Statutory Instruments Act. It is a requirement in the Statutory Instruments Act that the Committee reports the instruments that it has considered, approved and recommended in the House every three months, and …
The Committee has received a total of 45 statutory instruments since its establishment on 4th November 2022. It has considered and concluded 34 statutory instruments, of which 25 have been approved pursuant to Standing Order No. 210 (4)(a). Reports on 11 statutory instruments have been tabled in the House. The House has approved nine reports on the statutory instruments, and three reports are awa…
Thank you, Hon. Chepkong’a. Hon. Wamuratha Ann, Member for Kiambu County.
Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Pursuant to Standing Order 44, I rise to make a general statement regarding an allegation of mistreatment of female employees working at Brown Cheese Company in Tigoni, Limuru, Kiambu County. On or about Tuesday, 4th July 2023, female employees at the Brown Cheese Company Limited located in Kiambu County were forced to undress at work by a senior manager after being accus…
Thank you, Hon. Wamuratha. Hon. Jane Kagiri, I will give you one minute.
Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I stand to support Hon. Ann Muratha on the said statement. I want to make it clear to employers in this country that one of the basic rights of an employee is proper working conditions. Listening to that statement, we consider that the company did not have the right working conditions for women. That is because for a woman to dispose of a sanitary towel in a dustbin, it me…
Thank you. Hon. Alice Ng’ang’a, one minute.
Thank you, Hon. Speaker. When we hear some of these things, one would think they are watching a movie. Women were lined up just because of a natural thing that takes place in every woman. It is very sad that they were lined up and did what they did to them. What is so sad is that a woman subjected them to that act. Serious action needs to be taken. Wherever women are working, they need to be acco…
Thank you, Hon. Alice. Hon. Rozaah Buyu, you said you have a short Statement to make.
Thank you, Hon. Speaker. My Statement is not in line with what has just been discussed.
I know that. Yes. Hon. Rozaah Buyu : My Statement is in line with the escalating insecurity in my constituency, Kisumu West. Hon. Speaker, over the last month, we have had violent robberies, sometimes leading to killings of constituents, but targeting business premises. Our trading centres like Dago,
[(Kisumu West, ODM)]
Otonglo, Lela, Kisian and Holo, up to Maseno are being targeted for thuggery and, many times, leading to death. Just last week, on 29th June 2023, a businessman was accosted and killed on his premises at Ojola Centre, opposite Ojola Police Post. Everything in his business premises was taken. On Monday, at 5.30 p.m., a young lady, a Form One student at Kuoyo Secondary School was attacked on her way…
Thank you, Hon. Rozaah. I believe the Leader of the Majority Party has heard you. The Leader of the Majority Party, your Thursday Statement.
Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Let me express my sympathies, with your indulgence, to the people of Kisumu West, ably represented by Hon. Rozaah Buyu. I regret the loss of lives, especially that of a young Form One student and the businessmen who suffered from those robberies. Allow me to advise Hon. Rozaah Buyu to apprise herself on the current House procedures and changes in our Standing Orders. She …
Hon. Speaker, allow me to proceed to the usual Thursday Statement. Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (a) , I rise to give a Statement on behalf of the House Business Committee, which met on Tuesday, 4th July 2023, to prioritise the business for consideration during the week. I wish to commend the leadership of this House, both from the Majority and Minority coalitions, the chair…
The House awaits reports on various items of business. I urge committees to use this time to expedite and finalise their reports on Bills, treaties, inquiries and responses to Questions and Statements, which will be considered upon the resumption of the House. Our mission is far from over as we recollect and appreciate what has been achieved. We still have a significant number of legislative prop…
Hon. Mpuru Aburi, you cannot just walk in and cause a commotion.
[(Laughter)]
Thank you, Hon. Speaker. They are quite disruptive.
Thank you, Leader of the Majority Party. Yes, Jared Okello.
Hon. Speaker, allow me to join my sister Hon. Rozaah Buyu…
Order, Hon. Okello! You are out of order.
Hon. Speaker, it stems from the directive that has been given to the Leader of the Majority Party.
Order, Hon. Jared Okello! Hon. Rozaah Buyu made a Statement. We have moved to another matter and cannot go back. You know I am always very accommodating to you and, so, oblige and take your seat. Order! When Hon. Rozaah Buyu made the Statement, I directed the Leader of the Majority Party to inform the Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration of the security situation in Kisumu W…
[(Hon. Jared Okello spoke off-record)]
Thank you, Hon. Speaker.
You are setting a very poor example but I will allow you.
Thank you, Hon. Speaker, for the indulgence. It is true that marauding gangs are having a field day in Kisumu County. The rate at which homes and businesses are being broken into is quite unprecedented. Therefore, whereas the Leader of the Majority Party has given an advisory that we need to do a statement or a question, this is a matter of great and utmost urgency. If we delay until we come back …
Thank you, Hon. Jared Okello. Leader of the Majority Party is seized of the matter. I am sure action will be taken. Next Order!
First Reading
Thank you, Clerk. Next Order!
Did we have any Member on the Floor? There was no one on the Floor. Therefore, we shall proceed with those who have keyed in. Next to speak on this is Hon. Paul Biego, Member for Chesumei.
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker for giving me an opportunity. I wanted to speak to the previous Motion. I request you to give this chance to another Member.
Very well. Hon. John Kiragu, Member for Limuru. He is not in the House. Hon. John Mutunga, Member for Tigania West.
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. This Motion was there last week. I tried to speak to it, but time lapsed before I spoke.
Order, Hon. Mutunga. May I bring the Members to speed that we are on the Motion on Adoption of Report on the Approval of the Defence Cooperation Agreement Between the Republic of Kenya and the Government of the Republic of Seychelles. You may proceed.
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. This collaboration is good for both republics; the Republic of Seychelles and the Republic of Kenya because training together is important. It will help them to share experiences and develop better skills than when they are alone. Also, when it comes to disciplined forces, we have witnessed other countries from all over the world like to train in Kenya. There are…
people are respected and dignity prevails. Seychelles and Kenya share a coastline. Therefore, we have an advantage of an enlarged seashore where they can train because there is a large water body. The two navies will have a great opportunity to practise together, have joint trials and vessel testing in the waters because of the enlarged coastline. Training together will enable faster skills develo…
On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker.
Next to speak on this…What is your point of order!
Hon. Temporary Speaker, I rise under Standing Order 95. Will I be in order to ask that the Mover be called upon to reply? This matter has been debated since yesterday. We should move to the next business.
Hon Members, a Member has risen in his place under Standing Order 95, to move that the Mover be called upon to reply. Is it the mood of the House that the Mover be called upon to reply?
Yes.
[(Question, that the Mover be called upon to reply, put and agreed to)]
Mover, proceed to reply.
Hon. Temporary Speaker, I thank Members of this House. This is the third day this matter is being discussed. Defence Cooperation Agreement is a tool that is globally accepted. Kenya and Seychelles share a common border at sea. This agreement will help Kenya Defence Forces, more so the Kenya Navy, to train in Seychelles. I beg to reply.
Having confirmed that we have the requisite numbers, I now put the Question. Next Order.
[(Question put and agreed to)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Public Debt and Privatisation
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