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officials, the Bill affects the independence of the bodies and existing checks and balances within the Government. Any change proposed to the functions of entities such as the Assumption of Office of President Committee, the National Security Council, and the Office of the Auditor-General may infringe upon their constitutional and statutory mandates. You are aware of the ongoing litigation on the…

Hon. Members, as notified in today’s Order Paper, at the rise of this Sitting, the House is scheduled to proceed on its long recess from tomorrow, Friday, 8th December 2023, to Monday, 12th February 2024, in accordance with the approved Calendar of the House for the Second Session. This marks the conclusion of regular sittings of the Second Session of the 13th Parliament and the beginning of a wel…

such business shall cease and resume when the House returns for the Third Session on 13th February 2024. I hasten to remind Members that should need arise for the House to transact any urgent business, the House will be recalled pursuant to Standing Order 29. I wish to thank the Leadership of the House, Members and staff for the diligence and commitment exhibited, which enabled the House to trans…

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Chairperson, Special Funds Accounts Committee, give your Notice of Motion.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the 5thReport of the Special Funds Accounts

2020/2021 and 2021/2022, laid on the Table of the House on Thursday, 7th December 2023.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the National Dialogue Committee, laid on the Table of the House on Thursday, 7th December 2023. Hon. Deputy Speaker, aware that we are proceeding on recess, I know that the notice may suffer some fate, but it is good for the records that it is there. In case, as the Hon. Leader of the Minority…

So, I think we will get the response from the Chairperson, Departmental Committee on Social Protection, Hon. Alice Ng’ang’a.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Hon. Kahangara Mburu requested a statement regarding the administration and management of the National Social Security Fund (NSSF) on the Floor of the House on 22nd November

[[The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Gladys Boss) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) took the Chair]]

Thank you very much, Hon. Chairperson. Hon. Mburu Kahangara, you have the Floor.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I thank the Chairperson of the Committee on Social Protection for that response. However, I am not satisfied with the response for the following reasons. First, Members of this House are tasked with representation. The people we represent include retired Kenyans. Those Kenyans can only enjoy their retirement if the NSSF invests their money and ensures timely remi…

Hon. Kahangara, it is fully understood that the answer is from the NSSF. The Chairperson has presented the answer as it was presented to her. You should be specific on what you are unsatisfied with so that it is easier to seek clarification or further responses as opposed to debating on what they are supposed to do.

Thank you. I am properly guided. I am unsatisfied with the response to question No.3 on the administrative structures. This is about conflict of interest. Why did they decide to merge the Finance and Investment divisions? My prayer is that the Chairperson and the Committee on Social Protection should interrogate further. Instead of getting the answer from NSSF, this time round, we should get answe…

Hon. Chairperson, Hon. Alice Ng'ang'a, would you like to comment on that?

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. What the Member is requesting is weighty. Because he is not satisfied with the response, I request you direct us on what to do. Should we meet the entire Board as a Committee so that those weighty issues can be addressed and the Committee reports back to this House in the presence of the Member? Thank you very much. I would have guided you to engage wi…

[(Hon. Kahangara Mburu spoke off the record)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. The Chairperson has requested that the Committee meets the NSSF Board. I would love to be present in that meeting to seek more answers before the report gets to the House. Hon. Chairperson, let us take that direction. You should meet the NSSF Board in the presence of Hon. Kahangara so that this matter can be deliberated in his presence, not only for his benefit,…

I am well guided, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Thank you very much. Next is a response to the statement on the status and development of own farm roads in the Mwea Irrigation Scheme. Is Hon. Kangogo Bowen in the House? Hon. Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, you may proceed.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, Hon. Kangogo had to dash out for an urgent matter. Because Hon. Mary is not in, he requested that I table the response so that it can be handed to her by the Table Office. Thank you very much, Deputy Leader of the Majority Party. Hon. Mary Maingi will follow up on that. The response has been properly tabled. Next is Hon. George Kariuki, the Chairperson of the Departmental…

[(Hon. Owen Baya laid the Statement Response on the Table)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. On Thursday, 30th November 2023, the Member for Ganze, Hon. Kazungu Tungule, requested a statement from the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure regarding the tragic death of three casual workers in Mombasa County. To give a background on the matter, on Friday, 24th November 2023, seven casual workers were unclogging a manhole at Makupa Roundab…

He is not here.

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I wish to respond to the statement regarding the rampant theft of coffee in Runyenjes Constituency. The Member for Runyenjes, Hon. Muchangi Karemba, sought a statement regarding the rampant theft of coffee in his constituency. He particularly sought to be informed on the measures that have been put in place by the Ministry of Interior and National Admin…

Thank you very much, Hon. Dido Raso. Hon. Muchangi Karemba.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. While I appreciate the response from the Cabinet Secretary and Hon. Chairman, I have made several observations on it. Hon. Chairman has clearly indicated that there is a case in which the Office of the DPP has declined to charge based on the age of the suspects. He has not indicated the case registration number of the three officials who were arrested and whose …

All right. I seek clarification on the number of societies or factories in my constituency that have been provided with security to guard the stores. I request clarification on those two items: The case number and the factories and societies that have been provided with security within my constituency. That is not clear, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Hon. Chairman, by any chance, do you have that in yo…

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. We do not have that information in the Report by the Cabinet Secretary. There are 57 coffee factories in Embu. One of the glaring issues is the employment of the watchmen, many of whom the District Security Intelligence Committee identified as old. Secondly, it is on the fencing of those factories. It is apparent that they are saying they do not have f…

can assist the factory owners and farmers. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Hon. Temporary Speaker, before I sit down, other Members have sought statements from the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs. Hon. David Kiplagat has sought a statement regarding the gruesome killing of Ms Rachael Nyambura in Matunda Town. Hon. Ali Wario also sought a statement regarding the di…

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I am well guided. Hon. Raso, I heard you make an effort to respond to the matters that Hon. Karemba has raised. I guide you to engage with him further in the presence of the Cabinet Secretary. Hon. Karemba, would you like to add to that in one minute?

Hon. Temporary Speaker, that is how matters to do with coffee are cosmetically dealt with locally. We are given theoretical answers, but nothing practical happens. I sought clarification on the number of factories and societies that have been provided with security within Runyenjes Constituency. I will be glad if the Cabinet Secretary answers that question through the Committee.

You sought clarification on three matters. My guidance is that you interact with the Committee directly in the presence of the Cabinet Secretary so that you can get better answers.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I will avail myself without fail whenever they indicate that they are available to listen to my concerns.

Let us move on. Some Members are seeking statements.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I wish to request a statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning on the delayed payment of pension and death gratuity to teachers. In the recent past, there have been reported prolonged delays in the disbursement of pension payments to retired teachers, causing undue …

Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I thank the Member for raising this request for a statement. Considering that we have up to 18th December 2023 to handle Committee business, we will endeavour to handle this matter before we break for the Christmas holidays. We will have the Secretary of Pensions, Mr Alfred Kagika, and the Principal Secretary appear before the Committee and invite the Member to a…

Hon. Temporary Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I wish to request for a statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Education regarding the terms of service for teachers working as interns in junior secondary schools. Concerns and grievances have been reported by teachers working as interns in junior secondary schools across the country, regar…

Hon. Temporary Speaker, committees have up to 18th December 2023 to hold sittings. This falls outside the number of days that we are supposed to give the Cabinet Secretary to respond. Therefore, we will give our response during the next Session commencing in February 2024. You will respond in the next Session. Thank you very much. Hon. Amina Mnyazi, you have another request for statement. Please …

Hon. Temporary Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I wish to request for a statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs regarding the disappearance of four fishermen at Watamu, Ngomeni Waters in Malindi. On Thursday, 30th November 2023, at around 3.30 p.m., four fishermen, namely, Captain Baraka, Mr Fahadi Adli,…

Hon. Temporary Speaker, the Chairperson is not present and, as I had said, I will never hold brief for any Chairperson, especially the one who irresponsibly refuses to come to the House. I want to advise members of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs to deal with their Chairperson or Vice- Chairpersons who are not in the House. I am forced to take responsibility for m…

I thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I am the oldest member of the Committee on Administration and Internal Security, which I have served since I came to Parliament in 2013. Against the fear of the Leader of the Majority Party, I want to confirm that we have a very committed Chairperson. He was here in the morning. He contributed to Regulations concerning terrorism, but left for some security matt…

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I have just indicated that the Committee will prioritise this particular statement due to its urgency.

By when?

I have a problem with our calendar and other obligations. I do not know whether Hon. Amina Mnyazi and the House could indulge us to have a response for this statement in the new session. We have a way of engaging the security sector to begin action on this. Based on the fact that Hon. Kaluma has not given us a definite time, I order that the response to this request be given in the first week of …

I will communicate that to the Committee. Thank you very much. Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I can now relay that directive to the Chairperson of that Committee. I want to restate that Chairpersons of Committees must be in the House. The Liaison Committee, chaired by the Deputy Speaker, has made it clear that until Order No.7 on Questions and Statements is done, all Chairpersons and their Vice-Chairpersons should be in the House. I know the Vice-Chairperson of the …

Next is Hon. Naomi Waqo, whose request for a statement is directed to the Departmental Committee on Health.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I rise to request a statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Health regarding the recent detection of an invasive mosquito species in Marsabit County. In the recent past, an invasive mosquito species, Anopheles Stephensi, was detected in Marsabit County, raising public health concerns within the community. That mosquito species, which is said to orig…

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Now that Hon. Robert Pukose is away and he had given notice, let me commit myself to take it up with him within the first two weeks after we resume. Thank you. Next is Hon. Teresia Wanjiru. Is the Nominated Member in the House? You may Proceed.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Tourism and Wildlife regarding attacks on humans by marauding hyenas in Witeithie Ward in Juja Constituency.

mayhem to the residents of Juja Constituency and its environs. In a span of a few months, hyenas have attacked several people and caused deaths of more than eight people. On Saturday, 18th November 2023, a young boy named Emmanuel Kamande of Birth Certificate Entry No.0361306229, lost his life following an attack by hyenas while innocently playing outdoors in Nyacaba Area. On Saturday, 2nd Decembe…

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. This request for Statement is for Hon. Kareke Mbiuki and the Vice-Chairperson is also missing as usual. I will relay it to them, so that they can respond within the first two weeks after recess. Thank you, Leader of the Majority Party. In the first two weeks, you will get a response. Hon. Onesmus Ngogoyo, Member for Kajiado North Constituency, you may proceed.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) , I wish to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure regarding the status of launched roads and projects in Kajiado North Constituency. Hon. Temporary Speaker, on 23rd April 2023, His Excellency the President launched road projects which traverse within Kaj…

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I will continue to step in for my good Chairpersons, but Hon. G.K. was here. I do not know when he stepped out? As I have said for the other requests for statements, he will get a response within the first two weeks after we resume. Hon. Mark Mwenje, Member for Embakasi West.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I wish to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security regarding the ongoing insecurity at City Carton, Kariobangi South Ward in Embakasi West Constituency. Hon. Temporary Speaker, there has been ongoing conflict related to occupation and settleme…

Hon. Temporary Speaker, your earlier direction in regard to the matters previously presented apply. As we wait to report as a Committee in the first week upon our return, I have taken note of what Hon. Mark Mwenje has stated. We will convey this information to the relevant Government agencies for necessary action and interventions, awaiting our report. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Thank you…

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I would like to make a Statement regarding the stabilisation of fuel prices and the expenditures on fuel subsidy and fuel stabilisation. In April 2021, the Government of Kenya introduced a pump price stabilisation mechanism to cushion consumers from the high pump prices following escalation of global prices post COVID-19 recovery. This was exacerbated by adverse geo-polit…

Thank you very much. Leader of Majority Party.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, let me, first, thank the Members of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning for being very diligent in their work. I also thank the Chairman for the Statement he has given. We have seen a lot of misinformation in the media. I saw a Member of Parliament from the other House - of course, this House has very well-seasoned Members who are very diligent in t…

cost of subsidising fuel was unbearable for this country's economy. Members will see from the Statement delivered by the Chairman that close to Ksh100 billion was spent in a period of about three months. It tells you that on average, we were incurring a bill of Kshs1 billion daily to subsidise fuel. We have just tabled the National Dialogue Committee Report. Part of our points of divergence betwe…

Yesterday, I heard somebody telling us to put Ksh6 billion into the Political Parties Fund at a time when Kenyans are marooned by floods. All that the Azimio Coalition can do is to ask for money to hold rallies and hold political party caucuses. I support what this House did - removing money from the Political Parties Fund and taking it to the people of northern Kenya, who are living without food …

Hon. Temporary Speaker, before I read what I am delegated to do, it is important to comment on the Statement made by Hon. Kimani Kuria, the Chairperson for the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning. It is extremely important to understand what is happening in the country, and the deliberate efforts the Government is making to ensure that we stabilise this country’s economy. I am …

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I am making the Statement on behalf of Hon. Chepkonga Kiprono Samuel, who is the Chairperson of the

instruments since 1st October 2023. It has considered and concluded 10 of them, which were approved pursuant to Standing Order 210(4)(a). Reports on three statutory instruments have been tabled in the House for their approval, pursuant to the enabling statutes. However, there are five pending ones before the Committee for its consideration. A detailed list of the statutory instruments that the Com…

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Hon. Ruku is a very diligent Member. That is why he was eager to comment on the Statement from the Committee on Delegated Legislation. I am making the usual Thursday Statement. Hon. Temporary Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (a) , I rise to give a Statement on behalf of the House Business Committee (HBC) , which met on Tuesday, 5th De…

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during the Session that saw conclusion of a number of committee reports, including those on the vetting of various public officers such as the Chairperson of the Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission (EACC), the Director-General of the National Intelligence Service (NIS), High Commissioners, Ambassadors and Permanent Representatives, amongst several others. Several key issues were concluded durin…

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Next Order.

Nobody had remaining minutes on this Motion. I call upon Hon. (Capt) Ruweida. Sergeant-at-Arms, please, trace her somewhere at the back.

Asante, Mhe. Spika wa Muda, kwa kunipatia nafasi ili nichangie Hoja hii. Suala la ugaidi lina utata sana. Halina dini wala kabila. Nimetoka Lamu, ambayo imekuwa katika vyombo vya habari mara nyingi kwa sababu ya mambo ya ugaidi. Wengine wamekuwa kwa vyombo vya habari kwa sababu ya utaalamu fulani, lakini sisi saa zote tukitajwa kwa habari ni kwa sababu ya mambo ya ugaidi. Eneo Bunge langu linaath…

aliyechoma kanisa akashikwa. Kanisa mbili zilichomwa wakati mmoja. Ninataka niwaelezee wenzangu jinsi mambo ya Lamu yanavyoendelea. Waziri Kindiki ni mchapa kazi na anajua kazi yake. Achunguze maneno yangu na kuangalia mambo ya Lamu. Kuna shida zaidi kule Lamu. Tulipokuwa wachanga, kulikuwa na Shifta War. Tulikuwa tunajua kuwa ni lazima tunyamaze tunapopita mahali fulani. Hatungeweza kuzungumza t…

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I rise to support the Prevention of Terrorism Regulations. I listened to my sister from Lamu, and looking at our country, I realise that we have a serious issue that we need to deal with, especially with our youth who are being radicalised into terrorism. I appreciate that our Constitution and the laws that we have passed in this country are very clear and can …

[(Implementation of the United Nations Security Council Resolutions on Suppression of Terrorism)]

whom, they cannot open the gate. There are funny businesses happening. If you look at the laws and regulations we are putting in place, we must ask ourselves if we, as a country, can just monitor. There is a backroom that we have where you can see everything happening in Nairobi. We have the best security surveillance and you can monitor anything happening at any given time. A good example is when…

On a point of order. I am sorry, Hon. Beatrice Elachi. What is your point of order, Hon. John Waweru?

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I normally restrain myself when the Member for Dagoretti North is on the Floor. I know that she is an extremely passionate legislator, a great leader and of course a very good neighbour. There is nothing out of order in what she is presenting.

to reply. Listening to the trajectory that the debate is taking, and knowing what is needed, especially this being the last day of business in this House, you can apply your discretion to call the Mover to reply on time to conclude this business and expend with it in good time. Thank you very much. Thank you, Hon. Kiarie. Hon. Elachi will conclude and then I will find out whether that is the mood…

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

What is out of order, Hon. Nyikal?

Hon. Temporary Speaker, we are discussing a very important issue, but looking at the numbers in the House, we do not have quorum.

[(The Temporary Speaker consulted with the leading Clerk-at-the-Table)]

Hon. Members, I have confirmed that we do not have the requisite numbers in the House. I order that the Quorum Bell be rung for 10 minutes.

[(The Quorum Bell was rung)]

Hon. Members, I order that the Quorum Bell be stopped. Clearly, the House is unable to quorate. In the circumstances, we cannot continue to transact business. Hon. Members, from the Speaker’s Chair, I would like to thank you very much for your dedication in transacting all the business that has been brought to this august House during the Second Session, which is ending today. I would like to tha…