National Assembly · Afternoon Sitting
Tuesday, 13 June 2023
Members debated the appointment of Mr. Noordin Haji to the National Intelligence Service, with several MPs expressing strong support and highlighting his experience in security and integrity. The House then moved to approve two nominees, Ms. Caroline Nzilani King’oku‑Ajuoga and Hon. Isaac Kiprono Rutto, for the Judicial Service Commission, emphasizing their qualifications and the need for a motivated judiciary. Procedural items, including time limits, speaker interventions, and a welcome to visiting schools, were also noted. Members largely voiced support for the appointment of Mr. Noordin Haji as Director‑General of the National Intelligence Service, citing his experience, integrity and the need for modernised intelligence capabilities. Some members highlighted the importance of trust, constitutional qualifications and past successes against terrorism, while a brief point‑of‑order dispute over ethnic profiling introduced a minor conflict. The debate concluded with calls for the new DG to uphold his oath and enhance national security. Members debated a series of budget amendment motions, largely supporting the re‑allocation of funds within ministries to better align resources with development priorities. Proposals included increasing allocations for sports infrastructure, power transmission projects, and industrial promotion, with speakers emphasizing that the changes were merely internal realignments rather than new spending. The Temporary Chairman facilitated the procedural votes, and the amendments were largely approved without significant opposition.
Clerk-at-the-Table, I believe we have quorum to transact business. Hon. Members, you will notice we have a Supplementary Order Paper that will guide our business this afternoon. I also have three short communications. The first one is on prioritisation of business during the Committee of Supply and Ways and Means period.
the afternoon sitting of Wednesday, 21st June 2023 subject to completion of the Supply and Ways and Means measures. Hon. Members, the House Business Committee has also resolved that consideration of supply measures in the Committee of Supply commences today, 13th June 2023. The consideration of ways and means measures include the Finance Bill 2023 at Second Reading and subsequent stages commencin…
Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations on its consideration of the Defence Cooperation Agreement between the Government of the Republic of Kenya and the Government of the Republic of Seychelles, laid on the Table of the House on Tuesday, 13th June 2023, pursuant to …
Thank you. Next Order please.
Hon. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Committee on Implementation regarding implementation of the agreement between the Republic of Kenya and the Government of the Italian Republic on the Luigi Broglio-Malindi Space Centre. The Luigi Broglio–Malindi Space Centre was established close to 60 years ago through a public-pri…
Omamo, SC, EGH, signed an Agreement between the Government of the Republic of Kenya and the Government of Italian Republic on the Luigi Broglio-Malindi Space Centre, Kenya. Under this Agreement, which was ratified by the National Assembly on 15th October 2020, the Italian Republic agreed to implement certain undertakings which are yet to take effect. It is against this background that I seek a Sta…
Is the Chairperson of the Committee on implementation in the House? Do we have any Member of the Committee? Bring the response in two weeks time.
Order, Hon. Members. I earlier on communicated the presence of Members of the County Assembly of Kakamega, whom you acknowledged with your foot- thumping and Hon. Chepkonga welcomed them. I am told they were in fact not in the Gallery at all, at the time.
[(Laughter)]
This is the delegation from Kakamega, which I have already mentioned, I do not need to recite what they are here for. When you are mentioned, you may stand up individually to be acknowledged. They are as follows:
Hon. Members, I also wish to introduce to you a delegation from the Parliament of Zambia who are seated in the Speaker's Row. The delegation comprises Members of the Public Accounts Committee in the Parliament of Zambia. They are:
Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I stand to seek your indulgence on a matter that Parliament has raised for public participation. Two Bills have been advertised for public participation and one of them is the Privatisation Bill. When the matter came to this House, the Bill was referred to the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning and they have published it for public participation. Unde…
later on when the Bill is assented to there will be no problems with the committee that will use it for oversight purposes. Thank you, Hon. Speaker.
Hon. Junet, I will direct the Clerk to bring the two Bills to me so that I can have a look at them together with the Standing Orders. I will give you direction on Thursday afternoon. Hon. Koech you have 30 minutes to prosecute this Motion. I encourage you, even if you are entitled to close to 15 minutes in moving, to take less time so that one or two Members can be allowed to contribute.
Hon. Members and Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs, this Motion will also be debated for 30 minutes as directed by the HBC. Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs. The Member for Kirinyaga County, are you the Vice-Chairperson?
Hon. Speaker, I can see you are looking for Hon. Murugara but not the Vice-Chairperson.
Yes. I am looking for him.
: I am the acting or interim Chairperson.
[(Kirinyaga County, UDA)]
You are the representative of Hon. Murugara. Go on.
[(Laughter)]
Hon. Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, taking into consideration the findings of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs in its Report on the vetting of nominees for appointment as members of the Judicial Service Commission, laid on the Table of the House on Thursday, 8th June 2023, and pursuant to the provisions of Article 171 (2) (h) of the Constitution and Sect…
Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I rise under Standing Order 30 (3) (a) to move the Procedural Motion. Hon. Speaker, I beg to move: THAT, pursuant to Standing Order 30 (3) (a) , this House orders that should the time appointed for adjournment of the House be reached before conclusion of business under Order No.10, the Sitting shall stand extended until conclusion of the business appearing under Order …
[(Committee of Supply)]
Hon. Speaker, this is to allow the House to transact the business of Committee of Supply until its conclusion so that we are able to finish today before the House adjourns. Allow me to ask Hon. Abdi, Member for Ijara to second.
Hon. Speaker, I rise to second the Motion for extension of time. This will allow us to transact Order No.10 to conclusion hence help us supply resources to ministries and State agencies. I support and second.
[(Question proposed)]
Put the Question!
I will now put the Question. Hon. Members, the upshot of this is that, ordinarily, we would adjourn the House at
[(Question put and agreed to)]
The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari): Order, Members! We know how to raise points of order. I only have four interventions right now. Hon. Didmus Barasa.
Hon. Temporary Chairlady, we have always contributed to Committee on Supply by pressing the intervention button. So, pressing the intervention button does not mean one is on a point of order. We just want to contribute. The Temporary Chairlady : Noted. I see that we have very many people on the normal requests list. If you want to contribute on a specific Vote, please, press the intervention but…
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
[(Loud consultations)]
Put the Question. The Temporary Chairlady : The Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriation Committee.
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I beg to move: THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1012, by deleting the figure Ksh3,488,259,404 in Column 6 under Programme 0734000, Deputy President Services; and substituting therefor the figure Ksh3,288,259,404. The essence of this is that there was Ksh200,000 under the Office of the Deputy President, which we are moving to the right departmen…
[(Gross Current Estimates)]
[(Question of the amendment proposed)]
[(Programme 0734000 as amended agreed to)]
[(Vote 1012 as amended agreed to)]
Development) during the year ending 30th June, 2024 in respect of Vote 1013 (Office of the Prime Cabinet Secretary).
On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Temporary Chairlady : Member for Mathare.
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
I would like to confirm whether your gadget indicates that we are on intervention and we are able to make contributions. You have just confirmed that part of this process requires that before the matter is called to vote, there should be contribution, if there is any. We have been pressing the intervention buttons - I have done it three times - but it appears the gadget may not be reflecting. Cou…
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I request you to allow us also to catch your eye rather than press the intervention button. I wanted to speak to two previous votes, but I did not catch your eye. Allow us to catch your eye instead of pressing the intervention button. The Temporary Chairlady : Thank you, Hon. Oluoch. Hon. Didmus Barasa.
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. Even as I support the allocation of this money to Parliamentary Affairs, I hope that the holders of this office are going to make good use of this House. They need to engage us more specifically on what is coming up that is good for this country so that we continue to have a very good working relationship between ourselves and the Executive for the benefit of K…
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
No, Hon. Temporary Chairlady.
The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari): Hon. Members, make our work easier. If you do not intend to speak on this one, withdraw your intervention. When we get to an area you want to make an intervention, put back your card. Member for Yatta.
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. My intervention is yet to arrive. I am waiting for Vote 1017. The Temporary Chairlady : We do not have fuliza points of interventions. Member for Kiharu. Please, clear the screens so that we are able to make progress. Alright.
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
[(Programmes 0759000, 0760000 and 0761000 agreed to)]
[(Vote 1014 agreed to)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. This particular department is about the working of the Government and looking at the use of public resources in the most effective and efficient manner. This particular department is underfunded. The funds that are allocated must be used properly so that Government projects are seen and completed on time. The Temporary Chairlady : Thank you. Member for Seme.
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I am also of the opinion that this State Department is underfunded. This is the most critical department for performance contracting. In the past, performance contracting enabled superb delivery under the coalition Government because of the performance of this department. They should put in place structures of monitoring and measuring performance with the litt…
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari): Hiyo imeshapita, Mheshimiwa. Sasa tumsikize Mbunge wa Narok West, tafadhali.
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I want to add my voice to the voices of the Members who have supported this Vote. As it has been said by the Committee Vice-Chairman, we all know that it is underfunded. This is a very critical State Department of the Government. This is where all the state corporations are domiciled. The turnaround of the economy of the country lies largely on the effectivene…
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
[(Programmes 0762000, 0763000 and 0764000 agreed to)]
[(Vote 1015 agreed to)]
Now that we have approved this one… The Temporary Chairlady : Which one?
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
I think it is quite good. We look forward to the Cabinet to include the Chief Administrative Secretaries (CASs) . They have been waiting for the passage of this to work for this country. I support. The Temporary Chairlady : Thank you, Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi. Next is Hon. Didmus Barasa.
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I wish to support and commend the Committee for scaling down this amount of money. The previous allocations were very big, going to billions of shillings. We are aware that there were very few Cabinet meetings that were being conducted. This time round, we see Cabinet meetings taking place quite often. I support. The Temporary Chairlady : Asante. Sasa tumsiki…
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Ninasubiri inayofuata, hiyo ishazungumziwa. The Temporary Chairlady : Hon. Robert Basil.
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Hon. Chairlady, it is clear that the role performed by the Prime Minister relates very well with the role that is within the Cabinet Affairs Department. I do not think we need to have that allocation provided separately. We can merge
it with the money in the Office of the Prime Cabinet Secretary because there is an element of duplication, looking at the two budget lines.
I am okay, Chair.
[(Loud consultations)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. It has come to my attention that State House is being given Ksh7.3 billion yet the Office of the President has already been given Ksh4.3 billion. We have noted that the amount that has been allocated to the youth is only Ksh3 billion. Education development for teachers has been allocated about Ksh1.6 billion. Can you explain to us? I hope you will give a chance…
[(Office of the President and State House)]
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Hon. Chairlady, I honestly do not understand why we should have an allocation of Ksh7.3 billion for State House and another allocation of Ksh4.3 billion for the Office of the President, bearing in mind that specific departments under the Office of the President are funded differently. This is wastage of resources. Is someone trying to be mischievous? I would call upon Hon. Ndindi Nyoro to explain …
The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari): Each Member will get a maximum of two minutes. Hon. (Dr.) Robert Pukose.
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I stand to support the allocation of Ksh7.3 billion to State House. Some Members who are contributing cannot differentiate between the Office of the President and State House. State House is the seat of power for the country and must be well funded. It is home to the Head of State. We have several State Houses, for Members’ information. We have State Houses in …
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I am perplexed by the pedestrian way of distinguishing the two offices, as exhibited by my colleague. For the most part, the Office of the President falls under the purview of the Ministry of Interior and National Administration. Therefore, if there is money to be expended in that direction, it ought to be within that particular sector. We all acknowledge that …
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I also thank Members for their contributions. We have enhanced the budget for State House because we have to cover a multitude of pending bills from the previous administration that were incurred towards the end of the last administration. In terms of our Public Finance Management (PFM) Act, pending bills form the first charge in the budget of a new f…
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady, for giving me this opportunity. I rise to support the separate allocation of funds to the Office of the President and State House because the two offices have separate employees. I want to give an example of Hon. Mwenje, who brought up this discussion. He is preparing to become the next Chief Whip of the Minority Party. He will have a car, an office a…
So, I support these allocations. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari): Thank you, Member for Mathira. Next is the Member for Aldai. We are getting to the end of debate on this vote.
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I rise to support the budget allocation for State House. The reason is that State House houses the presidency and, therefore, we need to allocate funds to it. The same State House accommodates foreign visitors coming to Kenya to partner with us. So, State House is different from the Office of the President. The Office of the President is where official functio…
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Hon. Temporary Chairlady, thank you for giving me this opportunity. I rise to support the budget allocation for State House and the Office of the President. As we all know, State House is a symbol of unity and the house that hosts our President. Because of its status, we need to allocate funds to it, so that we have proper service delivery. I also support the Chairperson of the Budget and Appropr…
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. A lot has been said, especially by the Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriations Committee. Maybe, Members are missing certain points. The money allocated to each Vote follows the programmes under the Vote. There are more than eight directorates under the same office. They also include packages given to retired presidents as well as the leader of t…
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
[(Laughter)]
Hon. Temporary Chairlady, there is a big difference between State House and the Office of the President. The State of Kenya, as a unitary State, has its seat at State House. State House operates several programmes, including visits of foreign heads of state. When the President visits a foreign country, he goes as “the Head of State”. The Office of the President that is located at Harambee House i…
the President. They are different and distinct from each other. Each one deserves a budget of its own.
Put the Question!
[(Programme 0704000 agreed to)]
[(Vote 1017 agreed to)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I want to comment on the State Department for Correctional Services, which I think is underfunded. This is a very big department which does a lot of work. This department has been ignored to the point that those who work in the Kenya Prisons Service stay in very dilapidated houses. Hon. Temporary Chairlady, as much as we approve these funds, I ask the Chairman…
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I want to appreciate and support the allocation to the State Department for Correctional Services. The prison services have improved at the moment. I believe this allocation will improve it more. Social amenities and food in prisons have improved. Just like what the other Member has said, we should add this allocation in future so that we can improve their hous…
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
[(Programmes 0623000, 0627000 and 0628000 agreed to)]
[(Vote 1023 agreed to)]
Programme 0605000 - Migration and Citizen Services Management The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari): There is a proposed amendment. Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee.
THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1024 by—
Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Temporary Chairlady : You are totally out of order, Hon. Kangogo. You are rigging the system.
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
[(Laughter)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I rise to support this allocation. As we are aware, we are currently experiencing delays in passport processing. It is our hope that once we approve this allocation, that problem will be fixed and our citizens will access immigration services in terms of timely passport issuance. The Temporary Chairlady : Vice-Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriations Comm…
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I want to support this amendment. As we are all aware, it takes very long for Kenyans to get their passports after they apply. There are Kenyans who have waited for close to a year. We were informed that there were challenges with the equipment. The printers require replacement. Some of them are very old machines. This enhancement is very important, so that the…
The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari): Thank you. Member for Buuri.
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I would like to congratulate the Chair. For the first time, we have seen proper and prudent re- allocation and management of resources. We will continue encouraging that where money is being collected at source, some institutions require a lot of support. This is one of them. Therefore, this is very nice. We should encourage every institution to collect money f…
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I take this opportunity to thank the contributor who has just talked about problems at the Ministry of Foreign and Diaspora Affairs. I am in the Committee on Diaspora Affairs and Migrant Workers and I am aware we are losing a lot of money because of the poor equipment that are not working promptly. People who want to go abroad to work need to have the…
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support the amendment by the Chairman. The practice has been that whenever a Ministry or institution generates A-in-A, the National Treasury takes the entire amount. I support the idea that part of A-in-A should be used by the Ministry generating it. Secondly, we have seen problems at the State Department for Immigration and Citizen Services, including lack …
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
[(Programme 060500 as amended agreed to)]
[(Programmes 0626000 and 0631000 agreed to)]
[(Vote 1024 as amended agreed to)]
Put the Question. The Temporary Chairlady : Member for Bumula.
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. First, I appreciating the good work being done by our brothers and sisters in the National Police Service (NPS) . However, if you walk around this country, you will realise that many police officers do not even have housing. Their salary is very little. Therefore, I expected the Budget
and Appropriations Committee to allocate them a bigger amount so as to enhance their housing and raise their salaries. Hon. Nyoro, the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee, I expected a bigger figure to, at least, bring dignity to these officers. With those remarks, I support, but we should increase the figure. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari): Member for Seme.
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. Firstly, I appreciate the fact that for the first time, the National Police Service has a Vote they control themselves. Secondly, they should make effort to have programmes so that it is easy to evaluate them. Thirdly, they have big problems with infrastructure. There are places where whole police divisions live in and operate from tin huts. With the money allo…
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I rise to support this Vote. Police officers are very essential in providing security to this nation. Many officers do not have appropriate clothing for work. They also walk to work. I hope this money will be used to address some of the pressing problems that police officers have been facing. The Temporary Chairlady : Finally, Member for Tinderet.
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support this proposal. The National Police Service now have a Vote they control and use to run their affairs quite well. They will have enough resources so that they are not under the control of people outside the National Police Service. Previously, police officers would be controlled by the political class and other people outside the National Police Servic…
[(Programme 0601000 agreed to)]
[(Vote 1025 agreed to)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady, for giving me this opportunity. Looking at the budget allocation to this Department, I am concerned that a lot of new administrative units have come into existence in the recent past. I want to believe that when the Budget and Appropriations Committee was preparing these Estimates, they considered supporting these administrative units so that they can provide s…
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I rise to support the Vote because there is need to increase Government co-ordination and operationalise new sub-counties that were gazetted two years ago. For example, in my constituency, there is Fafi Sub-County, which was operationalised in 2017. There is a Deputy County Commissioner, but staff to support him have not been recruited, and there are no vehicle…
[(Loud consultations)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. First of all, I approve this allocation knowing that new administrative units have been created. Turkana County is already a beneficiary of four sub-counties. Secondly, there is an ongoing security operation in the North Rift, which is one of our key agendas for those living there. We pray that enough funds are allocated to enable those carrying out the operati…
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I rise to support and appreciate the Vote. I request to see our chiefs continue with the work they are doing. There is increased insecurity and as we give them resources, we need to rethink about their offices. In as much as the NG-CDF helps, the ministry should start thinking about this because some areas lack title deeds and are worse than others, especially …
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I rise to support the Vote that the National Police Service has been assigned. I hope the Service has been allocated enough funds to enable them to execute their national security mandate in terms of ensuring that police officers have vehicles for maintaining security in their areas of jurisdiction. I support the Vote. The Temporary Chairlady : Member for Sam…
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I also rise to support the Vote, hoping that National Police Reservists (NPRs) , who are bona fide police officers, will also benefit from the increased allocation in a timely and fair manner. I also hope that the administrative units that have not been operational since 2017 will be operationalised. There are people living in vast tracts of land, especially in…
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
[(Programmes 0629000 and 0630000 agreed to)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. If you will permit me, I request to comment before I move the amendment. We respect all the opinions we received from the Members. It has been a very interactive process. When we tabled the Report, we debated it exhaustively. Next week, we will have another opportunity to debate the Appropriations Bill extensively. So, I humbly request Members to look at the V…
[(Applause)]
Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move the following amendment: THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1032 by deleting the figure Ksh1,678,120,000 in column 6 under Programme 0712000, Devolution Services,and substituting therefor the figure Ksh1,878,120,000. The essence of this is in the context of the other amendment that we moved regarding the Office of the Deputy President, where we are movi…
[(Gross Current Estimates)]
[(Question of the amendment proposed)]
[(Programme 0712000 as amended agreed to)]
[(Vote 1032 as amended agreed to)]
the year ending 30th June 2024 in respect of Vote 1036 (State Department for ASALs and Regional Development).
Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairperson. I beg to move: THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1036, by deleting the figure Ksh3,905,590,000 in Column 7 under Programme 1013000 Integrated Regional Development, and substituting thereof the figure Ksh4,106,590,000. The essence of this is moving some little money to the ASALs Department to support other better programmes. The Temporary Chai…
[(Gross Capital Estimates)]
[(Question of the amendment proposed)]
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
I am here. The Temporary Chairlady : Okay. Go ahead.
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support the amount that has been appropriated. The State Department is an integral body of our country in terms of budget and stuff. It is important for us to review and re-look at it better. I support. The Temporary Chairlady : Member for Sigor.
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I want to support the amendment proposed by the Budget and Appropriation Committee Chairperson. The Integrated Regional Development Authority requires more funding to undertake programmes that touch on peoples’ livelihoods. This may not be enough, but I support. Thank you very much.
[(Programme 1013000 as amended agreed to)]
[(Vote 1036 as amended agreed to)]
THAT, a sum not exceeding Ksh144,943,160,000 be issued from the Consolidated Fund to complete the sum necessary to meet the expenditure (Recurrent and Development) during the Year ending 30th June 2024 in respect of Vote 1041 (Ministry of Defence).
Thank you. I want to support by putting this notice to this Honourable House. On matters diaspora, you find that there are more than 4,000,000 Kenyans living outside the country, and if you look at the management of diaspora and consular affairs, there are many areas in the world where we are not represented. I stand to say that this money is not enough and, in future, we should add this money so …
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. As we do this, we have to always appreciate what the diaspora has done. Many of our embassies have houses that are very dilapidated, and most of them are also in debt. As much as we are doing this, we have to ensure that the places where our people in the diaspora walk into for services are well resourced. So, I support, but there is need to do a lot of things …
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
[(Programme 0752000 agreed to)]
[(Vote 1054 agreed to)]
THAT, a sum not exceeding Ksh28,323,796,448 be issued from the Consolidated Fund to complete the sum necessary to meet the expenditure (Recurrent and Development) during the year ending 30th June, 2024 in respect of Vote 1064 (State Department for Technical Vocational Education and Training). The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari): Member for Emuhaya Constituency.
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. Let me appreciate the Budget and Appropriations Committee for increasing this Vote Head in order to deal with the Technical and Vocational Education and Training (TVETs) . But as we do that, I hope the increment in allocation will facilitate every region to get a TVET. Above all, to have those TVETs get facilities and equipment for them to operate because curre…
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
No. Next one. I have got an amendment. The Temporary Chairlady : Member for Mathare Constituency.
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I have looked at the figures allocated to this, and my comments are that the figures are way below, considering that we still have many constituencies that are yet to have TVETs, including Homa Bay Town. Hon. Kaluma here confirms it. There are also places where TVETs have been done to a certain level, and funding has been coming in bits and pieces. Given what t…
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I rise to support, and fully agree with what the Member for Mathare Constituency has said. We must allocate money to complete the TVET in Mathare Constituency.
[(Laughter)]
[(Laughter)]
Hon. Temporary Chairlady, this particular vote suffered immensely out of politics. Money was being removed from this vote with the apparent reasoning that it was William Ruto, the then Deputy President, who was pushing
through the agenda of TVETs. I am glad that today, as a House, we rise to the occasion to realise that this was not a William Ruto agenda; this was an agenda for Kenya. It was an agenda for our young men and women who languish in poverty because they cannot access employment opportunities or even employ themselves because they lack the requisite skills. The investment in our TVET institutions wil…
For those coming in as the Committee of Supply goes on, we agreed to use the intervention button so that I pick you, if you want to speak to a specific issue. Member for Kuria West, Hon. Mathias Robi. Sorry, your microphone is becoming a moving target.
Thank you for giving me this opportunity. I also stand here to support the allocation to TVETs. We know that this has uplifted many of our students. We know that even this can be increased to support our people. The Temporary Chairlady : Member for Nyeri, Hon. Rahab Mukami.
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support the allocation to TVETs. We considered that many TVET colleges have stalled. The buildings are not complete, and the complete ones do not have training materials. It is one of the agenda in our Manifesto. We want to make sure that our young people get technical and business skills to make them have gainful employment. The Temporary Chairlady : Membe…
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support this Vote that has increased money for TVETs because this is where our young people get skills. I am a proud Member of Parliament to announce that last year’s Masinga TVET class produced the best student in Kenya. The Chinese Government sponsored the student to further his studies through a full scholarship. Those TVET institutes are helping our young…
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I rise to support that the State Department for TVETs gets an increased allocation because we have hundreds of youths who need to be skilled for the market. We will need many plumbers, artisans, painters and builders for the housing development project, so that the market will not
lack skilled manpower. It will also be essential for this country to produce people with the requisite skills that we can export to markets in the region like Uganda and other countries to go and work. My Committee visited Germany and Western Europe, where we observed lack of skilled manpower. We need to produce enough manpower to feed the ageing populations in other parts of the world. I support…
Thank you for giving me the last chance, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support the allocation to the State Department for Technical Vocational Education and Training for the reason that has been given. The current President has visited Homa Bay Town Constituency twice in my absence. During those visits, he has seen the need for a technical and vocational training facility in Homa Bay Town, the Head…
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
[(Programmes 0505000, 0507000 and 0508000 agreed to)]
[(Vote 1064 agreed to)]
Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1065 by–
The Public Investments Committee on Governance and Education has resolved to order for forensic audit to be undertaken… The Temporary Chairlady : Order, Member. Please, do not put up a Motion. Wind up on the amendment.
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
I beg to move, and I welcome… The Temporary Chairlady : The amendment does not need to be seconded. Please take your seat, Hon. Member. I will give the opportunity to the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education.
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Temporary Chairlady : Hold on, Hon. Member. The Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education has two minutes. We agreed on a maximum of two minutes.
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
[(Question of the amendment proposed)]
Yes. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. First, I commend Hon. Wamboka for moving this amendment, which I support. The Departmental Committee on Education examined the Ministries, Departments and Agencies (MDAs) . We went through every State Department and realised that certain State Departments waste public funds. One of them is the Government allocation to private universities. When we went thr…
population was less than what they had given out. Up to today, they are yet to give us the list of the students. They do not want us to have it. Two, public universities like Moi University, Egerton University and Masinde Muliro University, where we allocated those resources, are critically under-funded. All those universities can be salvaged if we make sure that a forensic audit is done on what …
Hon. Temporary Chairlady, allow me to support the amendment. I like the wording of Hon. Wamboka’s amendment. That, even the national Treasury should be debarred from allocating further resources to the vote of private universities without prior approval of this House. It is time this House took its work seriously. We pride ourselves as a budget-making House, but we continuously allow the National …
Shame!
Hon. Temporary Chairlady, Egerton and Moi Universities are being closed down. Our premier university, The University of Nairobi… Yes, it is “The University of Nairobi.” You know I went to the University of Nairobi.
[(Laughter)]
The National Treasury must not allocate any further resources to this State Department for Private Universities without prior approval of this House so that the report of the forensic audit we have sought from the Cabinet Secretary
is tabled before this House and checked by the Public Investments Committee on Governance and Education that Hon. Wamboka Chairs. I am glad that Hon. Wamboka has taken up this matter with the energy that it deserves.
[(Applause)]
Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I do not want to delay anyone on this debate. Mine is to support the amendment. Why it is important to support this amendment is because, as Kenyans, we know what happened to the health service in this country. The moment we support private entities at the expense of public entities, that is the day we will start walking down the road of killing public entities. The Gove…
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
[(Programme 0504000 as amended agreed to)]
[(Programmes 0506000 and 0508000 agreed to)]
[(Vote 1065 as amended agreed to)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support the Vote, but the allocation is too little. The allocation to the basic education sector should, at least, be Ksh250 billion. I have two short reasons that I want to advance in this regard. It has been close to 10 years, with a capitation of Ksh1,410, notwithstanding the fact that there is inflation and other factors. If you put inflation into conside…
Lastly, we have a category of schools that are not contemplated under the Basic Education Act. The Basic Education Act contemplates schools to mean either public or private. About 1.8 million children in Kenya today go to schools that are neither public nor private, schools that are known as Alternative Provision for Basic Education (APBET). In Mathare alone, I have 80,000 students, 56,000 of whom…
Hon. Dorothy Ikiara, two minutes.
It should be one minute.
Thank you Hon. Deputy Chairlady. I too, stand to support the allocation budgeted for the State Department for Basic Education. It is important to know the Government of Kenya has embarked on free and compulsory basic education. It is important that this Department is properly funded so that we can realise that commitment. I support this budgetary allocation. Thank you.
[(Programmes 0501000, 0502000, 0503000 and 0508000 agreed to)]
[(Vote 1066 agreed to)]
Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I beg to move: THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1071 by—
Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Temporary Chairlady : Member for Mbeere North.
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I want to put a disclaimer on economic and financial policy formulation and management. Senior Ministry officials serving under this docket have let down the people of the Republic of Kenya in the past. We are appropriating Ksh9 billion so that they serve the people of Kenya properly by ensuring we have proper economic and financial policies that can take our e…
[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. Mine is to thank the Budget and Appropriations Committee for taking into consideration the view that you said. Part of this reallocation goes to migrating our accounting system from our cash to the accrual system. We hope this will also handle the big problem of pending bills that we have in this country. Part of this reallocation also goes to developing a prog…
[(Programmes 0717000 and 0718000 as amended agreed to)]
[(Programmes 0719000 and 0720000 agreed to)]
[(Vote 1071 as amended agreed to)]
Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I beg to move that the programme be amended as follows:
THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1072 by deleting the figure Ksh2,533,750,000 in column 7 (Gross Capital Estimates), under Programme 0707000 National Statistical Information Services, and substituting therefor the figure Ksh2,433,750,000. This is just realignment of the budget as we debated last week. On the same breath, because we are still on the same department, I want to bring to the atte…
[(Applause)]
[[The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari) left the Chair] [The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Peter Kaluma) took the Chair]]
Thank you, the Temporary Chairman. I am being reminded that you need to announce the change of Chair so that Members do not call you Madam Chair. On this allocation, there is an over-supply. I hope the Budget and Appropriation Committee Chairperson is listening because there is an over-supply in this Vote for the following reasons: Health services are devolved functions. There is no reason for t…
[(Hon. Peter Kaluma)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I support this allocation to the Ministry of Health. I want to inform my colleague that, as much as health is devolved, the Ministry of Health houses the national referral hospital like the Kenyatta National Hospital (KNH) , Moi Teaching and Referral Hospital (MTRH) , Kenyatta University Teaching, Referral and Research Hospital (KUTRRH) , Mwai Kibaki Hospital, K…
[(Hon. Peter Kaluma)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. My colleague should know that this money is meant for those services. Money for the counties has already been allocated to the counties. The Temporary Chairman : Lastly, let us have Hon. Didmus Barasa.
[(Hon. Peter Kaluma)]
Thank you. I support and hope that even the Ministry will move further to ensure that standards are met. Some Governors are putting up very funny buildings and calling them clinics. We should have standards on what qualifies to be called a clinic. In some areas, even women refuse to be admitted to some of these clinics because they appear to have lost hope if one is admitted in such structures. Th…
[(Programmes 0402000, 0410000, 0411000 and 0412000 agreed to)]
[(Vote 1082 agreed to)]
Programme 0202000 – Road Transport The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Peter Kaluma): This programme has amendments. Chair of the Budget and Appropriations Committee.
Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I beg to move: THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1091 by deleting the figure Ksh166,851,000,000 in column 7 under programme 0202000 (Road Transport) and substituting therefor with the figure Ksh167,951,000,000. The essence of this amendment is to capacitate the State Department to finish the many on-going road projects. It is also instructive t…
[(Gross Capital Estimates)]
[(Question of the amendment proposed)]
[(Hon. Peter Kaluma)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I rise to support. The roads sub-sector is a key enabler to the realisation of the Bottom-up Economic Transformation Agenda of the Kenya Kwanza Government. With good road allocations, our people can access markets, schools, and healthcare services. We will also be able to access our farms and other facilities to help our people better their lives. Any additiona…
[(half a trillion)]
[(Programme 0202000 as amended agreed to)]
[(Vote 1091 as amended agreed to)]
THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1093 by deleting the figure Ksh27,373,521,755 in column 6 titled Gross Recurrent Estimates under Programme 0220000 Shipping and Maritime Affairs and substituting therefor the figure Ksh2,494,070,000. The essence of this is that we are moving Ksh24.8 billion from fuel stabilisation to cater for arrears under the fuel subsidy that Kenyans enjoyed during this Fin…
[(Question of the amendment proposed)]
[(Programme 0220000 as amended agreed to)]
[(Vote 1093 as amended agreed to)]
Hon. Temporary Chairman and Hon. Ichung’wah, the allocation of Ksh29 billion is well-grounded but with a rider. I suggest that Ksh20 billion should be ring-fenced to cushion taxpayers who would have paid 3 per cent, 1.5 per cent or whatever that percentage is instead of burdening them on what they have not expressed as a basic need at this time. Article 43 of the Constitution does not discuss the …
[(Loud consultations)]
The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Peter Kaluma): Hon. Johana Ng’eno, are you the Chair of the Departmental Committee which is in charge?
Yes. The Temporary Chairman : Proceed.
[(Hon. Peter Kaluma)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I appreciate the concerns of the Member who has just spoken. The Ksh29 billion allocated in this particular Financial Year is not only for housing. There are too many State Departments where we deal with all these amounts. There is social housing, affordable housing, police housing, markets and stormwater. There is also money that goes to the counties in the for…
[(Hon. Peter Kaluma)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman.
[(Programmes 0102000, 0105000 and 0106000 agreed to)]
[(Vote 1094 agreed to)]
Put the Question!
[(Programmes 1014000, 015000,1022000 and 1023000 agreed to)]
[(Vote 1104 agreed to)]
The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Peter Kaluma): Hon. Kangogo Bowen. Who is the Chair of the Budget and Appropriations Committee? He has an amendment. Sorry, Hon. Kangogo Bowen. The Chair of Budget and Appropriations Committee will move his amendment first. Programme 1001000 – General Administration, Planning and Support Services
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1109 by deleting the figure Ksh70,000,000 in column 7 under Programme 1001000 and substituting therefor the figure Ksh190,000,000. Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairman. Sorry, let me continue. The Temporary Chairman : Sorry, Hon. Chairman. In terms of procedure, we have to finish with the first ame…
[(Gross Capital Estimates)]
[(General Administration, Planning and Support Services)]
[(Hon. Peter Kaluma)]
[(Question of the amendment proposed)]
[(Programme 1001000 as amended agreed to)]
[(Hon. Peter Kaluma)]
Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I beg to move the following amendments to the programme: THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1109 by —
Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I beg to move the following amendments to the programme: THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1109 by —
Put the Question. The Temporary Chairman : Chair for the relevant Committee, is it Hon. John Kiarie?
[(Hon. Peter Kaluma)]
Hon. Temporary Chairman, I am also with those who are saying that we can put the Question on this. The import of allocating this money to this sector is that it cuts across all other sectors. It is in great support of the manifesto that is moving towards the ‘digital superhighway’ including installation of 100,000 kilometres of fibre optic, the Constituency Innovation Hub in our constituencies an…
[(Hon. Peter Kaluma)]
[(Vote 1022 agreed to)]
Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I beg to move: THAT, the Programme 0208000 be amended by deleting the figure Ksh885,500,000 in Column 7 and substituting therefore the figure Ksh444,500,000. The Temporary Chairman : You can move both Amendments because they relate to the same budget item. They are both under programme 0208000. So, you can move both. Move the next one. You have the…
[(Information and Communication Service)]
[(Gross Capital Estimates)]
[(Hon. Peter Kaluma)]
Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairman. Apologies. I was talking to the Chairman in charge of that Department. I beg to move: THAT, the Programme 0208000 be amended by deleting the figure Ksh5,585,833,488 in Column 6 , and substituting therefore the figure Ksh6,034,833,488. Hon. Temporary Chairman, we are basically re-arranging the monies from rRcurrent to Development and nothing else. T…
[(Information and Communication Service)]
[(Gross Current Estimates)]
[(Hon. Peter Kaluma)]
Hon. Temporary Chairman, I am in support with the amendment that has been moved by the Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriation Committee. For the information of this House, the import of this is that it does not change the monies allocated to the sector. It is a rearrangement to ensure that for the money that is allocated, the right amount goes to development and a sizeable amount goes into me…
[(Programme 0208000 as amended agreed to)]
[(Programmes 0207000 and 0209000 agreed to)]
[(Vote 1123 as amended agreed to)]
Hon. Temporary Chairman, I want to support this. This is an important intervention for constituencies such as mine where we have many talented young people who earn a living from sports. There is an under supply in this particular allocation which perhaps the Committee could check so that in future it could be realised. We remember that in the last Parliament we removed the sports lottery from thi…
Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I beg to move: THAT, the programme be amended as below: In Vote 1134 under programme 0905000 by deleting the figure Ksh199,784,949 million in column 7 and substituting thereof the figure Ksh249,784,000. Hon. Temporary Chairman, this is just rearranging within the same ministry so that we capacitate the department to run its affairs.
[(General Administration, Planning and Support Services)]
[(Gross Current Estimates)]
[(Question of the amendment proposed)]
[(Programme 0905000 as amended agreed to)]
[(Programme 0916000 agreed to)]
[(Vote 1134 as amended agreed to)]
The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Peter Kaluma): Mover to move amendment. Programme 0213000 – Power Transmission and Distribution
Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move that the programme be amended as follows: THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1152, by deleting the figure Ksh41,076,000,000 in column 7 , under Programme 0213000 Power Transmission and Distribution,and substituting therefor the figure Ksh41,190,000,000. Hon. Temporary Chairman, this is a realignment within the department and additional resources in con…
[(Gross Capital Estimates)]
[(Question of the amendment proposed)]
[(Hon. Peter Kaluma)]
Hon. Temporary Chairman, I concur with the Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriations Committee. I also want to thank the Committee for the consideration of the increments because you understand this is one of the Votes that has a lot of interest from Members. This is where your transformers, Last Mile projects and the street lighting projects are. Hon. Chairman, I support. The Temporary Chairm…
[(Hon. Peter Kaluma)]
[(Programme 0213000 as amended agreed to)]
[(Programmes 0211000, 0212000 and 0214000 agreed to)]
[(Vote 1152 as amended agreed to)]
Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move that the Programme be amended as follows: THAT, the Schedule be amended in in Vote 1169 by—
THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1169 by:
THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1175 by deleting the figure Ksh448,960,000 in column seven , under Programme 0320000 Industrial Promotion and Development, and substituting therefore the figure Ksh5,148,960,000. Hon. Temporary Chairman, what we are doing, basically, is that we are moving the industrial and aggregation centres from the State Department of Trade to the right State Department o…
[(Gross Capital Estimates)]
[(Question of the amendment proposed)]
[(Programme 0320000 as amended agreed to)]
[(Programme 0321000 agreed to)]
[(Vote 1175 as amended agreed to)]
and Development) during the year ending 30th June, 2024 in respect of Vote 1176 (State Department for Micro, Small and Medium Enterprises Development).
THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1177 by deleting the figure Ksh11,252,000,000 in column 7 , under Programme 0322000 Investment Development and Promotion, and substituting therefor the figure Ksh6,552,000,000. Hon. Temporary Chairman, what we are doing is basically moving the industrial and aggregation centres from the State Department of Trade to the right State Department of Industry.
[(Gross Capital Estimates)]
[(Question of the amendment proposed)]
[(Programme 0322000 as amended agreed to)]
[(Vote 1177 as amended agreed to)]
THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1193, by deleting the figure Ksh342,960,000 in column six , under Programme 0215000 and substituting therefor the figure Ksh25,222,411,755. The essence of this amendment is to take care, through Appropriations-in-Aid (A-in-
[(Gross Current Estimates)]
[(Exploration and Distribution of Oil and Gas)]
On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairman. You have not said Ksh3 billion but you have said Ksh28 billion…. The Temporary Chairman : There is a new figure after the amendment. Move at the same pace with the Temporary Chairman and House. There was an amendment that was moved by the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee. Proceed. I want him to formally go on record in respect of t…
[(Hon. Peter Kaluma)]
Hon. Temporary Chairman, we appreciate the speed that you are taking us in this sitting. Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to Move: THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1169 by—
Hon. Temporary Chairman, I support the allocation. But at a time when the East African Community (EAC) is growing, I feel this Vote is underfunded. The Temporary Chairman : Point made, Chair.
[(Hon. Peter Kaluma)]
[(Programme 0305000 agreed to)]
[(Vote 1221 agreed to)]
THAT, a sum not exceeding Ksh3,642,040,000 be issued from the Consolidated Fund to complete the sum necessary to meet the expenditure (Recurrent and Development) during the year ending 30th June 2024 in respect of Vote 1291 (Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions).
I beg to move that Programme 0614000 be amended as follows: THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1311 by deleting Ksh1,972,563,233 in column 6 under programme 0614000 Registration, Regulation and Funding of Political Parties and substituting therefor Ksh2,072,563,233.
[(Gross Current Estimates)]
[(Question of the amendment proposed)]
[(Programme 0614000 as amended agreed to)]
[(Vote 1311 as amended agreed to)]
Development) during the year ending 30th June 2024 in respect of Vote 2031 (Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission).
Development) during the year ending 30th June 2024 in respect of Vote 2141 (National Gender and Equality Commission).
THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1261 by—
Hon. Temporary Chair, the Chair is talking about reallocating this amount from here to the Judiciary, and from one point to the other. However, he needs to explain to Members so that they understand exactly how much and where he is getting that money. At some point in my life in this House, there is a time there was an amendment during Third Reading whose import was to ensure that Members of Parl…
[(Hon. Peter Kaluma)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I want to inform this House, because we will be tabling the Report today evening... I wish to give some background with regard to what we are doing and in answering the Leader of the Majority Party on where the money is coming from. I am sure he knows that the Chair of the Budget and Appropriations Committee has got a purse. The purse I am currently operating o…
We have allocated an unprecedented sum of Ksh247 billion to our roads. This is because we want roads which are currently being constructed to be completed. We have allocated Ksh10 billion to the NG-CDF. We have also doubled the amount of money that we are allocating to the Higher Education Loans Board (HELB). In the financial year that is about to end, the HELB had an allocation of Ksh15 billion. …
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. For the first time, we can see that the budget for the Judiciary has been increased. I think this is a very good move in terms of making sure that the Judiciary can expand into more areas. We expect that counties that did not have courts will now be able to construct them and facilitate the delivery of justice to many Kenyans. I am also happy with the Committee…
[(Hon. Peter Kaluma)]
Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I want to support the increment of the Judiciary budget. I want to inform the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs that the backlog in Judiciary is worrying. There are cases which have not been considered for almost 20 years. There are people who have been in the corridors of courts for over 30 years. The increment of the budget of the Judiciary w…
[(Hon. Peter Kaluma)]
Hon. Temporary Chairman, I am privileged to serve in the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs. When the Judiciary tabled their request before us, it was actually beyond this. We really tried to balance because of other interests in different State Departments. We tried to push and fit within their proposal. Be that as it may, Hon. Temporary Chairman and I are legal practitioners. Y…
is the matter of backlog because of understaffing. They have a challenge of passing justice to the public because they are incapacitated. To this extent, you can count the number of high courts we have in the country. We should have at least a single high court in every sub-county, so that we can mitigate the challenges. Naturally, we are perennial litigants. We like taking each other to court. Pe…
THAT, a sum not exceeding Ksh8,380,000,000 be issued from the Consolidated Fund to complete the sum necessary to meet the expenditure (Recurrent and Development) during the year ending 30th June, 2024 in respect of Vote 2043 (Parliamentary Joint Services).
Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move that the Committee of Supply do report to the House its consideration of the Budget Estimates for Financial Year 2023/2024 and its approval thereof with amendments. Thank you.
[(Applause)]
[[The Speaker (Hon. Moses Wetang’ula) in the Chair]]
Hon. Members, congratulations for a job well done. I want to single out Hon. Wangari and Hon. Kaluma. I have been watching them from the Speaker’s Chamber and I made no mistake in picking them to the Panel.
Chairperson.
Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I beg to report that the Committee of Supply has considered the Budget Estimates for the Financial Year 2023/2024 and approved the same with amendments and, pursuant to the provisions of Article 221 of the Constitution, Section 39 of the Public Finance Management Act, 2012 and Standing Order 240A, approves the issuance of a sum of Ksh2,308,410,784,957 from the Consolidated…
Let us have the Mover, Hon. Ndindi Nyoro.
Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. I beg to move that the House do agree with the Report of the Committee of Supply in its consideration of the Budget Estimates for the Financial Year 2023/2024 and pursuant to the provisions of Article 221 of the Constitution of Kenya, Section 39 of the Public Finance Management Act, 2012 and Standing Order 240 (A) approves the issuance of a sum of Ksh2,308,410,78…
Thank you, Hon. Speaker for giving me this opportunity. I also want to take this opportunity to congratulate and thank the Committee of the whole House for making sure that they have gone through the whole Budget for the Financial Year 2023/2024 and the amendments therein. As a Member of the Budget and Appropriations Committee, I second. Thank you.
[(Applause)]
Thank you, Hon. Kawanjiku. Hon. Members, I am satisfied that there is requisite Quorum in the House to put the put the Question.
[(Question proposed)]
[(Question put and agreed to)]
We still have additional business. It is not on the Order Paper but I will call the Chairperson, Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning to lay a Paper on the Table.
Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table: The Report on the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning on its consideration of the Finance Bill (National Assembly Bill, No.14 of 2023) .
Thank you, Hon. Speaker.
Go ahead and lay the Paper.
[(Applause)]
[(Laughter)]
Hon. Members, the time being 9.43 p.m. the House stands adjourned until Wednesday, 14th June 2023, at 9.30 a.m. The House rose at 9.43 p.m.
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