National Assembly · Afternoon Sitting

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move the following Procedural Motion: THAT, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 97 (1) , this House orders that each speech in a debate on any Sessional Paper shall be limited as follows: A maximum of two and a half hours, with not more than twenty (20) minutes for the Mover in moving and five (5) minutes for any other Member speaking, including the Leader of…

[(if the Sessional Paper is not moved by the Chairperson of the relevant Committee)]

Hon. Kasiwai.

I second.

You seem to have been ambushed.

Do I put the question?

Yes.

[(Question put and agreed to)]

Next Order.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move the following Procedural Motion: THAT, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 97 (1) , this House orders that each speech in debate on Reports of Constitutional Commissions and Independent Offices be limited as follows: A maximum of four hours with not more than 30 minutes for the Mover in moving and 10 minutes in replying, a maximum of 30 minutes for the Chairpe…

Hon. Speaker, I second.

[(Question proposed)]

Should I put the question?

Yes.

Thank you.

[(Question put and agreed to)]

Next Order. Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. Speaker, we pity you and your deputy. You have to read the whole text when proposing a question and reread it when putting the question. Maybe Commonwealth Parliaments should look into a new way of simply referring to what was proposed, rather than having the Speaker read through it.

Yes. Unfortunately, that is what is done in the entire Commonwealth jurisdiction.

That is why I said maybe the entire Commonwealth needs to relook into some of these things. I do not know if the Member for Kipipiri is here. Yesterday, I heard her say that the Leader of the Majority Party asks the

Speaker not to allow her to speak whenever she wants in the House. There is no such thing in the Commonwealth.

Is she in the House?

She is not in the House, but we should advise her.

Whoever has access to her should tell her that that is not only malicious but also fallacious and defamatory. The Speaker cannot be directed by anybody except in debates on constitutional matters and other matters like Private Members’ Bills, where you may want specific colleagues whom you have discussed with to support your cause. Then, you pass your list to the Speaker, not on your own but throu…

Hon. Speaker, I hope she is well guided. It is not only malicious but, as you said, it is also fallacious and defamatory to the person of the Speaker and the institution of Parliament. Hon. Speaker, you must understand. Some of these people are not.... Hon. Njeri Maina, with whom she, to some extent, subscribes to the same ideologies, is in the House and has proposed a Bill that is lined up today…

Hon. Members and Leader of the Majority Party, you pass laws here. I encourage you not only to read the laws you pass but also to know them. I was recently embarrassed at a funeral. An Hon. Member stood and very viciously attacked a university council for conducting interviews to recruit a Vice-Chancellor. You passed a law here that requires the Public Service Commission to recruit university Vice…

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move the following Procedural Motion: THAT, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 97 (1) , this House orders that each speech in a debate on the Report of the Budget and Appropriations Committee on Budget Estimates contemplated under Standing Orders 239 and 240 be limited as follows—

Mwalimu.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I do second.

Say, “I beg to second.”

Hon. Speaker, I beg to second.

Well done.

You are out of order. Once a Motion has been moved and seconded, the only logical follow-up is proposing the question. There is nothing out of order. Yes, Hon. (Dr) Makali.

[(Question proposed)]

Hon. Speaker, I support this Procedural Motion. I also wish to pick up where the Leader of the Majority Party left off. As you have mentioned, it is embarrassing to see Members discussing a law passed by this House, and they seem not to know the details. I have also seen Members complaining about a lack of budgetary allocation, yet they are the ones who make the Budget. I encourage Members to be i…

Hon. Bowen.

Hon. Speaker, I support the Procedural Motion. However, I wish to speak on behalf of the chairpersons of committees, especially on the Budget Estimates. I wish the Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriations Committee were here. The procedure is that whenever there is an amendment to the departmental budgets, the Chairperson proposes it and it is seconded by the Chairperson of the relevant Commit…

[(Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah spoke off the record)]

Hon. Ichung’wah is informing me that that was the behaviour of the former Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriations Committee and not the current Chairperson. We hope that Hon. Atandi will follow the procedures and traditions of this House. Thank you.

Mover to reply.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Those sentiments are well taken as they supplement what I had said. I appreciate Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu for always sitting through the entire budget-making process. He has been a Member of the Budget and Appropriations Committee for a long time and is therefore experienced in these matters. I wish all our chairpersons and vice-chairpersons could heed that call. Hon. Member…

committees. I commend the Budget and Appropriations Committee and its Chairperson, Hon. Atandi, for the good work. Continue working in consultation with the chairpersons of departmental committees. At one point, as Hon. Kangogo Bowen has said, I had to intervene because the then Chairperson had a myriad of amendments to many of the Votes under his docket without his knowledge or the Committee’s co…

THAT, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 97 (1) , this House orders that each speech in the general debate contemplated under Standing Order 146 be limited as follows: A maximum of one hour and thirty minutes, with not more than fifteen minutes (15) for the Mover in moving, fifteen minutes (15) for the Chairperson of the relevant Departmental Committee, and five (5) minutes for …

[(Consideration of Senate amendments to Bills originating in the National Assembly)]

[(if the Bill is not party-sponsored)]

Hon. Kailemia.

Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. I second. Order, Hon. Pareyio. Take your seat.

[(Hon. Agnes Mantaine walked into the Chamber)]

[(Question proposed)]

Put the question.

We put the question?

Hon. Speaker, on this one, you will need water. It is a long one. I beg to move the following Procedural Motion: THAT, notwithstanding the provisions of Standing Orders 41 and 42 relating to conveying of Messages from the Senate and from the President or the National Executive, Standing Orders 120, 122 and 126 relating to Publication, Procedure upon Publication and First Reading of Bills and Stan…

Vice-Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee or the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning.

The Vice-Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee.

Hon. Pukose? Vice-Chairman, go ahead.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I just wanted to let the Leader of the Majority Party know that I was consulting with my neighbour Hon. Kakai Bisau, Member for Kiminini.

There are no preambles to seconding a Motion. Just second the Motion.

I know. I stand to second.

Thank you. Next Order.

[(Question put and agreed to)]

Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, taking into consideration the findings of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning in its Report on the approval hearing of a nominee for appointment as a Director General of the Financial Reporting Centre, laid on the table of the House this afternoon, Wednesday, 11th February 2026; and, pursuant to the provisio…

Thank you. Clerk-at-the-Table, let us go to Order No.14.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 28, this House approves the Calendar of the National Assembly (Regular Sessions) for the Fifth Session (2026) as contained in the Schedule to the Order Paper.

Hon. Kipsanai.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to second.

Thank you. Hon. Njeri, take your seat. Order, the Member on his feet. Take your seat. Thank you.

[(Several Members stood in their places)]

[(Question proposed)]

Put the question.

[(Question put and agreed to)]

Next Order.

Is Hon. Haro in the House? We stand it down and go to the next Order.

Hon. Joshua Oron, I hope you are ready to move Second Reading.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I beg to move that the Industrial Training (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 50 of 2024) be now read a Second Time. Hon. Temporary Speaker, this Bill was first published in November 2024 and first read on 20th April 2025. This Bill has taken a long time to reach this stage. I am grateful for the people who have made it reach here. It was advertised fo…

amendments before us today. I thank the National Industrial Training Authority through the State Department of Labour and Skills Development, the Kenya National Qualifications Authority, the National Gender and Equality Commission, the Kenya Law Reform Commission, the Office of the Attorney-General, and the United Disabled Persons of Kenya (UDPK). The main objective of this legislative proposal i…

The most important thing about this Bill is that it recognises that skill. That person can compete with the rest of the world once certified to show that they have the skills to do the work. They can compete with the rest of us and the rest of the world that have gone to technical institutions. This Bill is an equaliser for many people who have not been to school and for those who dropped out for …

Hon. Moses Omondi.

Thank you. I beg to second.

On a point of order.

Hon. Lekuton, approach the Chair. Hon. Lekuton, do you want to contribute or do you want to raise a matter on this issue?

[(Question proposed)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I rise on Standing Order 35 to notify the House and the Temporary Speaker that we do not have a quorum.

Hon. Members, having ascertained that we lack quorum, I order that the Quorum Bell be rung for five minutes. You can stop the Quorum Bell.

[(The Quorum Bell was rung)]

Before we move to closure, I wish to remind Members that at the retreat in Naivasha in late January, it was agreed that the Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration shall appear before the House, in the Speaker’s Kamkunji, to brief Members on the state of national security. To this end, and in line with the Speaker’s Communication of 10th February 2026, the Speaker invites all Me…