National Assembly · Afternoon Sitting

Wednesday, 12 April 2023

Session Summary

The sitting began with routine procedural business, including the laying of papers and the approval of Hon. Martin Otieno Ogindo as Chairperson of the Kenya Fish and Marketing Authority. The debate then shifted to a serious incident in Tharaka‑Nithi where a protest turned violent, resulting in the death of a local leader and prompting parallel investigations by the police Internal Affairs Unit and the Independent Police Oversight Authority, alongside reinforced security measures. Members debated the security challenges in northern Kenya, with Hon. Farah Maalim urging soft‑power approaches and education for the Pokot community, while others highlighted recent killings and bandit incidents. The Cabinet Secretary for Interior responded with updates on recoveries, a zero‑tolerance policy on extrajudicial killings, and announced reforms including a Presidential Task Force to overhaul the National Police Service. Cabinet Secretary Kithure Kindiki outlined the revival of the Police Equipment Modernisation Programme, including funding for new helicopters, UAVs and other technology to improve security and reduce reliance on the military. He also addressed ancillary issues such as the under‑performance of the Government Printer and shortages of birth‑registration forms, linking these to broader service delivery challenges. The discussion emphasized a phased approach: first silencing gun violence before undertaking long‑term infrastructural and socio‑economic projects in northern Kenya.

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Hon. Speaker

Hon. Members, we have quorum to transact business. I must commend you for being conscious of our time. I think the Easter holiday has done you very well.

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Hon. Speaker

The Majority Whip.

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Hon. Owen Baya (Kilifi North, UDA)

Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table:

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Hon. Speaker

The Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Blue Economy and Irrigation.

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Hon. Kangogo Bowen (Marakwet East, UDA)

Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table: Report of the Departmental Committee on Blue Economy and Irrigation on its vetting of a nominee for appointment as the Chairperson of Kenya Fish and Marketing Authority. Thank you, Hon. Speaker.

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Hon. Speaker

Next Order.

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Hon. Kangogo Bowen (Marakwet East, UDA)

Hon Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, taking into consideration the findings of the Departmental Committee on Blue Economy, Water and Irrigation in its Report for the vetting of nominee for the appointment as Chairperson for the Fish Marketing Authority, laid on the Table of the House on Wednesday, 12th April 2023 and pursuant to the provision of Section 201 (1a) and 2 …

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Hon. Speaker

Thank you, Hon. Kangogo. Next Order.

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Hon. Speaker

Hon. Members, I had directed that the Questions segment will be starting at about 3.00 p.m., but in view of lack of other issues before Questions, I order that the Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration, Hon. (Prof.) Kithure Kindiki, be called into the Chamber.

[(The Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration, Prof. Kithure Kindiki, entered the Chamber)]

[(Applause)]

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Hon. Mejjadonk Gathiru (Embakasi Central, UDA)

Yes, Hon. Speaker.

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Hon. Joseph Gitari (Kirinyaga Central, UDA)

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Could the Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration:

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Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA)

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move the following Procedural Motion: THAT, pursuant to the provisions of Section 13 of the Public Appointments (Parliamentary Approval) Act, 2011 relating to the extension of period of consideration of nominees for appointment to a public office, this House resolves to extend the period for consideration of a Special Motion relating to the approval of a nominee s…

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Hon. Joseph Makilap (Baringo North, UDA)

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I second the Motion.

[(Question proposed)]

[(Question put and agreed to)]

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

Next Order.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Social Protection.

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Hon. Hilary Kosgei (Kipkelion West, UDA)

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move the following Special Motion: THAT, taking into consideration the findings of the Departmental

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Hon. Suleka Harun (Nominated, UDM)

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. The nominee has met all the requirements. She has the relevant work experience for this position. She also has the required qualifications and all the required compliances for this position. The nominee has shown leadership and problem-solving skills. She also expressed her passion for social work in the community and shown the ability to fight against gender ine…

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Hon. Members

Put the question!

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

I think you have established a tradition, probably in the last 10 years, in which on such weighty matters you have to have a quorum before you can take a decision as a House. I am informed of this by none other than people who hold the institutional memory of the House. Under the circumstances, ring the Quorum Bell to get sufficient Members into the House to approve this Motion.

[(The Quorum Bell was rung)]

[(Hon. Owen Baya spoke off the record)]

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

Not when the Quorum Bell is ringing.

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Hon. Owen Baya (Kilifi North)

You have not ordered for the Bell.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

I have ordered.

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Hon. Owen Baya (Kilifi North)

I was listening to you.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

I ordered the Serjeant-at-Arms to ring the Quorum Bell. Hon. Owen Baya, get the Whip of the Majority Party to whip Members to come to the House.

[(Laughter)]

[(Loud consultations)]

[(Loud consultations)]

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Hon. Members

Put the Question!

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

Order!

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Hon. Beatrice Elachi (Dagoretti North, ODM)

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. As you put the Question, it is important for the House to understand why you are putting it. I want to support the Motion on the appointment of Dr. Margaret. This woman has worked with the women of this country for many years. As we pass her nomination, I know she will do a

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Hon. Beatrice Elachi (Dagoretti North, ODM)

fantastic job and ensure we start hearing the National Gender and Equality Commission (NGEC) which at the moment is a bit low. Also, as she goes there, we want her to awaken the Commission because it is high time they came out to start the fantastic job they have been doing in this country. We pray that they will get a budget. With those few remarks, I beg to support. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Sp…

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

Yes, Hon. lady Member. Hon. Rozaah Buyu. Proceed.

[(Loud consultations)]

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Hon. Rozaah Buyu (Kisumu West, ODM)

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity and for protecting the minority. I want to support the Motion and say that Dr. Margaret is indeed qualified for this position. I hope by the time she finishes her term, the words ‘boychild is suffering’ will be a thing of the past. We know the National Gender and Equality Commission has always been associated with the female, but ge…

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

Order, Hon. Members!

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Hon. Members

Put the Question!

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

Hon. Members, I now put the Question.

[(Question put and agreed to)]

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

Next order.

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Hon. Nelson Koech (Belgut, UDA)

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I want to thank this House for the robust debate we had yesterday on the Defence Co-operation Agreement (DCA) between Kenya and the United Kingdom. I have taken note of what the Members of this House have raised, particularly on subsequent agreements which the House will be making. I do not want to tire this House with more stories because we debated this matter at length.…

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Hon. Nelson Koech (Belgut, UDA)

has been envisioned and captured in our Report, and ensure the rule of law is followed to the letter. Hon. Temporary Speaker, with those very few remarks, I beg to reply.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

Hon. Members, I now put the question.

[(Question put and agreed to)]

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim

Next Order.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. (Dr.) Racheal Nyamai)

Hon. Members, this Motion had a balance of one hour and forty-five minutes. I do not see any interest to this Motion on the screen. I call upon Hon. (Dr.) Pukose to reply on behalf of the Mover.

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Hon. (Dr.) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA)

Hon. Speaker, I beg to reply on behalf of the Members of the Kenya Delegation to the 144th and 145th Assemblies of the Inter- Parliamentary Union (IPU) tabled on 7th March 2023 and Thursday, 2nd March 2023, respectively. The two Reports were tabled in this House. They have been debated. On behalf of the Mover of the Motion, I thank Members who contributed to this Motion. With those few remarks, I…

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. (Dr.) Racheal Nyamai)

Thank you very much, Hon. (Dr.) Pukose. Next Order.

[(Putting of the Question deferred)]

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. (Dr.) Racheal Nyamai)

Hon. Members, this Bill will be deferred to another sitting as will be scheduled by the House Business Committee.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. (Dr.) Racheal Nyamai)

(Bill deferred)

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Hon. (Dr.) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA)

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I am standing under Standing Order 35 to say that we do not have quorum. Maybe, you can give a ruling on that.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. (Dr.) Racheal Nyamai)

Hon. Members, indeed, that is the situation. I would like to ask that the Bell be rung for ten minutes. Hon. Members, you are not supposed to be walking out of the Chambers except the Whips of both sides of the House. I request that you remain inside. We are ringing the Bell for about three minutes. Only the Whips are allowed to go out.

[(The Quorum Bell was rung)]

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. (Dr.) Rachael Nyamai)

Hon. Members, there being no quorum and the time being 7.17 p.m., the House stands adjourned until tomorrow, Thursday, 13th April 2023, at 2.30 p.m. The House rose at 7.17 p.m.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. (Dr.) Rachael Nyamai)

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