National Assembly · Morning Sitting

Wednesday, 12 June 2024

Session Summary

Members welcomed visiting students and used the occasion to discuss the Public Service Internship Bill, emphasizing its potential to link education with employment and uphold constitutional values. Hon. Beatrice Elachi highlighted challenges such as retiring senior officers, inadequate mentorship, and poor internship practices, urging a structured, ethical approach. The debate combined supportive remarks with criticism of current public‑service and teaching internship shortcomings. Members debated the Interns Bill, emphasizing the need for a clear definition of an intern and warning against using interns as full‑time staff without proper training or supervision. Hon. Owen Baya highlighted the risk of exploitation, while Hon. Tom Odege urged mandatory public‑service internships and broader training opportunities for graduates. The Temporary Speaker’s brief comment on maternity leave reflected a mix of concern and support for the proposed protections. Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi and Hon. Phylis Bartoo urged the passage of the Internship Bill, arguing that a legal framework is needed to protect interns, ensure minimum allowances, and provide clear supervision and job descriptions. They highlighted recent protests by unpaid interns and called for private‑sector incentives and a structured transition from internship to permanent employment. The speakers expressed broad support for the Bill while pointing out current shortcomings in internship practices.

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Hon. Speaker

Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Quorum Bell. Order, Hon. Members. We now have quorum to transact business. Members on your feet, take the nearest seats. Hon. Kirwa, take the nearest seat.

[(The Quorum Bell was rung)]

[(Several Members stood along the gangways)]

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Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose (Endebess, UDA)

I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Departmental Committee on Health on the inquiry into alleged fraudulent payments of medical claims and capitation to health facilities by the NHIF, laid on the Table of the House on Wednesday 12th June 2024.

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Hon. Speaker

Thank you, Hon. Pukose. Hon. Members, I want to rearrange the Order Paper. Can we dispose of Order Nos.8, 9 and 10 before we come back to Order No.7? Order, Hon. Babu Owino! Take your seat.

[(Hon. Babu Owino stood in the gangways)]

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Hon. TJ Kajwang’ (Ruaraka, ODM)

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I wish to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry and Mining regarding the ongoing demolition of buildings constructed on riparian land along the Nairobi River basin in Nairobi City County. In May 2024, the Government directed that all structures built on riparian la…

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Hon. Speaker

Is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry and Mining present? Member for Kericho, you are a member of the Committee. Tell your Chairman to bring a Statement in the next two weeks. I order that your Committee deals with the Request for Statement by Hon. Mwago. Hon. Atandi.

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Hon. Samuel Atandi (Alego Usonga, ODM)

Hon. Speaker, I am making a request for Statement regarding circumstances leading to the death of Tom Adala. Pursuant to Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs regarding the death of Mr Tom Adala, who was an Assistant Director at the National Intelligence Service (NIS) . Mr Tom Adala …

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Hon. Speaker

Thank you Hon. Atandi. Hon. Mukunji.

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Hon. Gitonga Mukunji (Manyatta, UDA)

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 43 (1) , I wish to make a Statement on the launch of the 2024-2029 Kenya Young Parliamentarians’ Association (KYPA) Strategic Plan scheduled for Thursday, 13th June 2024 at the JW Marriott Hotel. As a youth champion and the Chairperson of KYPA, I rise this afternoon with great pride and anticipation to inform this esteemed august House about a significant m…

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Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM)

I beg to move: THAT, Clause 3 of the Bill be amended–

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Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM)

Dr Makali Mulu knows the procedure and practice in this House. He needs to tell us what necessitated the changes; what it was before and what it is now. What has caused the changes? That is considering that this is a Money Bill whose process of moving amendments the Constitution, the Public Finance Management (PFM) Act and our Standing Orders clearly state. He needs to tell us what has changed fro…

[(Hon. Peter Kaluma)]

[(Question, that the words to be left out be left out, put and agreed to)]

[(Question, that the words to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to)]

[(Clause 3 as amended agreed to)]

[(Clauses 4 ,5, 6 and 7 agreed to)]

[(Hon. Peter Kaluma)]

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Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM)

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the Schedule to the Bill be deleted and substituted therefor with the following new Schedule—

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Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM)

KABUOCH SOUTH/PALA 14,042,907 KANYADOTO 6,505,328 KANYAMWA KOSEWE 13,377,222 KWABWAI 32,218,725

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Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM)

MUTHA 23,905,981

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Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM)

KILIWEHIRI 18,036,034 MALKAMARI 25,348,786

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Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM)

LAISAMIS

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Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM)

(provision of basic services including water, roads, health facilities and electricity)

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Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM)

SIANA 50,141,368

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Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM)

HABASSWEIN 26,324,340

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Hon. Members

We have interests. The Temporary Chairman : Yes, Hon. Oundo.

[(Hon. Peter Kaluma)]

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Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM)

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I just want to note, and the country should equally know, that this Equalization Fund Appropriation (No.2) Bill (Senate Bill No.30 of 2023) Schedule seems to be revelling in tokenism. It is dropping small things here and there to be seen to be sharing the cake throughout the country, yet the majority of the funds still remain in the so-called marginalised areas. The questi…

[(Hon. Peter Kaluma)]

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Hon. Ali Raso (Saku, UDA)

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairman. Whereas I support the Committee, my concern is that if we continue with this pace, this will not be Equalization Fund. We must give it another name. Why give a constituency Ksh5 million or Ksh10 million? What do you want it to do? We must allocate enough money to build schools, hospitals, construct roads or water projects. Going forward, if the next sc…

[(Question, that the words to be left out be left out, put and agreed to)]

[(Question, that the words to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to)]

[(Hon. Members consulted loudly)]

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Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM)

Hon. Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move that the Committee do report to the House its consideration of the Equalization Fund Appropriation (No.2) Bill (Senate Bill No.30 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments.

[(Question proposed)]

[(Question put and agreed to)]

[(The House resumed)]

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

Hon. Members, let just have the Chairperson to report to the House.

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Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM)

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the Equalization Fund Appropriation (No.2) Bill (Senate Bill No.30 of 2023) and approved the same with amendments.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

Hon. Members, let us have the Mover of the Bill to move agreement with the report. Who is the Mover of the Bill?

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Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM)

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report, and request the Leader of the Majority Party, Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah, to second the Motion for agreement with the report of the Committee of the whole House.

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Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I second.

[(Question proposed)]

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

Hon. Members, ordinarily, I should put the question but I will not do so. That is deferred to another day. We are now moving to the next Order.

[(Putting of the Question deferred)]

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

Chairperson.

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Hon. Abdi Shurie (Balambala, JP)

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I beg to move; THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Public Debt and Privatisation

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

Hon. Beatrice Kemei, would you also want this to be deferred to another date?

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Hon. Beatrice Kemei (Kericho County, UDA)

Thank you.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

You are not willing to move it now?

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Hon. Beatrice Kemei (Kericho County, UDA)

Can we defer it, Hon. Temporary Speaker?

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

Fair enough. I understand you had sought approval from the Speaker that the Bill be allocated to another date. I so direct. Next Order. Order No. 15.

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Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona (Suba North, ODM)

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

What is your point of order, Hon. Millie Odhiambo?

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Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona (Suba North, ODM)

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

[(Laughter)]

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

We have just passed that order now. I have already directed that it will be put on the Order Paper on another date. I am sure in due time, you will know which date it is. I know you are passionate about children. Hon. Millie, I have known you for all these years and one thing that you have performed exceptionally, is protecting the children of Kenya. Therefore, we will pick a date. Next Order.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

On this order, the Leader of the Majority Party is also not around. I presume he has gone to attend to an urgent business. I direct that Order No.15 be deferred to another date.. (Bill deferred) Next Order.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

Is the Chairman of the Decentralised Funds Accounts Committee around? I do not see him in the House. I, therefore, direct that this Motion also be placed in the Order Paper at an appropriate time in the future. Next Order.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

I also do not see the Chairman of the Public Petitions Committee in the House. It is my presumption that he is also busy with some other business. Tomorrow being a Budget Day, I am sure that Hon. Members are busy with other things. I direct that this Motion be also placed on the Order Paper at a future date. Next Order.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

THAT, this House adopts the Second Report of the Public Investments

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

The Chairman of the Public Investments Committee on Social Services, Administration and Agriculture. He is equally not in the House. I direct that this matter be also placed in the Order Paper at an appropriate date in the future. Next Order.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

I do not see the Chairman of the Committee on Parliamentary Broadcasting and Library in the House. I also direct that this matter be placed on the Order Paper at a future date. Next Order.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

The Chairlady of the Committee on Regional Integration. The gracious lady is ordinarily a very efficient Member and Chairlady but I do not see her in the House today. Therefore, I also direct that this matter, based on the importance, be placed on the Order Paper on a future date.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

Next Order.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

I equally do not see the Chairman of the

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

The Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Trade, Industry and Cooperatives. He is equally not in the House now.

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Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona (Suba North, ODM)

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

What is your point of order, Hon. Millie Odhiambo?

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Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona (Suba North, ODM)

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I am sure you must have noted that we are almost on the seventh Chairperson, and none of them is in the House.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

Yes.

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Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona (Suba North, ODM)

They are not taking their work seriously. I would want to encourage that you raise this matter further. If they are not interested in taking up those positions, they should let us know. We can help them and take over their roles. We do not know whether they are helping the Deputy President in carrying his suitcase. However, that issue has already been sorted out. So, they do not need to go and hel…

[(Laughter)]

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Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona (Suba North, ODM)

of Parliament. If they are already tired in the second year and yet we still have three years to go, then they need to let go of their positions to other Hon. Members.

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Hon. Rozaah Buyu (Kisumu West, ODM)

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

What is your point of order, Hon. Rozaah Buyu?

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Hon. Rozaah Buyu (Kisumu West, ODM)

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. If you allow me, I would like to correct the Hon. Member who has just spoken, that the absent Members are not helping the Deputy President carry his suitcase. Instead, they are helping the Governor of Nyeri plan for the next maandamano. Thank you.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

You seem to have information that we do not have, but thank you for your contribution. Under the circumstances I realise that this will also have to be deferred to another date. Next Order.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

The Chairman of the Committee for National Cohesion and Equal Opportunities. If I am not wrong, I think the Chairman of this Committee is from Mandera, but I do not see him. Hon. Aden is not in the House of Parliament. Just like the rest, I will also defer this to an appropriate date in the future. You realise that I am unusually lenient with these Chairpersons because tomorrow is the Budget Day…

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

Hon. Members, the time being 6.22 p.m., this House stands adjourned until tomorrow, Thursday, 13th June 2024 at 2.30 p.m. The House rose at 6.22 p.m.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim)

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