National Assembly · Afternoon Sitting

Hon. Members, we will proceed as follows. After the preliminaries, we will skip Order No.7 and put the question at Order No.8. We will then have the First Reading at Order No. 9. I do not see Hon. Junet here. Hon. Naomi Waqo, do you have any brief on Order No.10? Order No.10 is a very straightforward Motion. I do not anticipate any unhelpful debate. It extends the time of the Selection Panel on t…

As I make the next Communication, those in touch with the Minority Whip can call him. Hon. Robert Mbui, will you be moving the Motion on extension? If not, look for your boss. Hon. Naomi Waqo is here. Hon. Members, I have a short communication on the designation of a Member as the Vice-Chairperson of the Committee of Powers and Privileges.

As you may be aware, the National Assembly Committee of Powers and Privileges is constituted under Section 15 of the Parliamentary Powers and Privileges Act (Cap 6). In establishing the Committee, the Act designates the Speaker as Chairperson but neither provides for the position of a Vice-Chairperson to deputise the Speaker nor the manner of causing a Member to take charge of the affairs of the C…

Hon. Naomi Waqo.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table:

Thank you, Hon. Naomi. Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security, you are supposed to lay a Paper on the Table. However, on your request, I will defer this to Tuesday next week.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Allow me to say something about this. As earlier indicated, the sponsor of the Bill is the Leader of the Majority Party. Having considered the Members' deliberations, we need a little more time to reach more consensus on the same. Thank you very much for your consideration.

Hon. Members, before the next order, allow me to acknowledge students of Nyambaria High School from Kitutu Masaba Constituency, Nyamira County, who are seated in the Speaker’s Gallery. We also have students from the following schools sitting in the Public Gallery:

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I take this opportunity to welcome Nyambaria High School and all the visiting schools today. This is a House where the legislative work that shapes how this country operates is done. This is a great opportunity for all these students, more so the young men from the school in my constituency, to learn. We expect that in the coming years, many of these young people here toda…

[(Hon. Suzanne Kiamba gestured to the Speaker)]

Hon. Kiamba, what is the matter? I have seen you raise your hand.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. As you have heard, Makueni is well-represented here. On behalf of the House, I also wish to welcome all the students visiting Parliament, particularly the mixed population from Makueni, including

Nzui Secondary School, which is one of the largest and best-performing day schools. We encourage all students to make day schooling work as it makes education more affordable for our country and our parents. I wish you all the best.

Thank you. Next order. Member for Bumula, please take your seat.

[(Hon. Wanami Wamboka stood in the aisle)]

Thank you. Next order.

Next.

Yes, Hon. Robert.

Hon. Speaker, I had a statement, and it was scheduled to be...

Did you arrive late?

I arrived with you.

I gave direction that we would skip Order No.7 and dispose of Order No.10 before returning to it. Do you recall that I even asked if you were going to move the

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion: Aware that, vide Gazette Notice Nos.1901 & 2643 dated 14th February 2023 and 1st March 2023, respectively, His Excellency the President declared one (1) vacancy for the position of the Chairperson of the Independent Electoral & Boundaries Commission (IEBC) , and six (6) vacancies for the position of Member of the IEBC; Further aware that, vide Gaz…

I ask my Deputy Party Leader to listen carefully. When we came for the general elections, a panel was constituted. Members from the Azimio side, which I lead in this House, conducted demonstrations in the streets, expressing our lack of confidence in that panel and demanding its removal. Subsequently, as a country, we agreed to reconsider the matter, recognising its importance to all Kenyans. Cons…

We used Ksh131 million, and you discarded it.

I am told Parliament spent Ksh131 million on that panel, and they were discarded because, as Azimio, we demanded that we had no faith in it. Now, if we do not have faith in that one and this one, we can only have faith in God. There is nothing else in which we will have faith. So, I urge Kenyans and my leaders to have faith. The IEBC commissioners might not produce a president. I can tell you, we …

[(Laughter)]

resorted to God, the Almighty. We have said this. Now, henceforth, we are going to pray to God to give us something. In conclusion, I request the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party to second the Motion. Let us have faith. Let us be people of faith, and all will be well. Do not be concerned about who becomes the Chairperson. We want Kenyans who are credible, people who will stand for the rights o…

Hon. Owen.

Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. I stand to second the Motion for the extension of the time for the recruitment of persons for appointment as Chairperson and member of the IEBC, as moved by Honourable Junet Mohammed. The panel conducting this exercise requires more time out of an abundance of caution. As Parliament and the National Assembly, we need to support this process by ensuring that we g…

[(Hon. Suzanne Kiamba spoke off the record)]

Order, Hon. Kiamba. You know the rules of the House. I have not even proposed the question. What is out of order?

[(Question proposed)]

Put the question! Put the question!

[(Question, that the question be now put, put and agreed to)]

I will put the question, if that is the mood of the House. Hon. Makali Mulu, you were here when I gave that direction. Order, Hon. Kiamba! If you are soliciting to be sent out, I will not do so.

[(Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu spoke off record)]

[(Hon. Suzanne Kiamba spoke off the record)]

[(Laughter)]

Let us go back to Order No. 7.

Hon. Speaker, my microphone was not working. I want to agree with the Leader of the Minority Party that as this team starts off their work, they should do a good job for Kenya and ensure that when the process is finished, they implement the National Dialogue Committee (NADCO) Report to the letter, especially on the issue of consultation with the principals of Kenya Kwanza and Azimio la Umoja-One K…

Ksh14 billion instead of the allocated amount of Ksh28 billion. Delays in releasing funds leave many public schools facing severe cash flow challenges, forcing them to adopt cost-cutting measures such as shortening school terms – which undermines the quality of education. Further, delayed funds have accumulated to Ksh64 billion over a period of five years, creating pending bills that endanger the …

Chair of the Departmental Committee on Education, when can you bring a response?

Hon. Speaker, I will bring it in two weeks. The request needs a comprehensive answer.

Okay, two weeks. Dr Joyce Bensuda.

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I request a statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Education regarding the recruitment criteria and deployment of teachers in schools across the country. Concerns have been raised about the recruitment and deployment of teachers, particularly in cases where schools receive newly recruited teachers who …

I will bring the Statement in two weeks, Hon. Speaker.

Okay.

Member for Kisumu Central.

[(Loud consultations)]

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 259D (2) , I rise to pay glowing tribute to the late Hon. (Rev.) Kennedy Nyagudi, the former Member of Parliament for the then Kisumu Town West Constituency. Hon. Nyagudi passed away on Sunday, 23rd March 2025, while undergoing treatment at the Kenyatta National Hospital. He was born on 2nd July 1970 in Kisumu. He began his education at Arya Primary School…

the expansion of Kisumu Airport and rehabilitation of its then bumpy runway following the suspension of flights. He also spearheaded the call for the establishment of the naval base at Lake Victoria in Kisumu to protect Kenya’s territorial waters shared with Uganda and Tanzania. The late Hon. Nyagudi also advocated for equality and inclusivity before the law, as evidenced by Parliamentary Questio…

Hon. Oron, paraphrase. The Statement is too long.

I am almost done, Hon. Speaker. The ODM Party appointed him the Director for e-fundraising and resource mobilisation in the run-up to the 2017 general elections. He also served as the Country Director of Amaya Group of Companies, a gaming and online gambling company headquartered in Toronto, Canada. He also founded the Lions Heart Help Group, a non-profit organisation through which he supported wi…

Hon. Elisha.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I would like to convey my heartfelt condolences along with those of the people of Gem Constituency following the sudden and untimely demise of our esteemed constituent, the former Member for Kisumu West Constituency. During his three years in this House, Hon. Nyagudi embraced teamwork, dedication to public service and the courage to speak truth to power. He was known for …

their generous support to the family of our late brother because such assistance will go a long way in providing relief and comfort to the family as they navigate this challenging period. Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker, for agreeing to be the guest of honour on Tuesday at the fundraiser for Hon. Nyagudi. I invite Members to join you on Tuesday. Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker.

Hon. Members, I served with Hon. Nyagudi in the 9th Parliament. May we be upstanding for a minute of silence in honour of our departed former colleague. May his soul rest in eternal peace. Amen. Leader of the Majority Party, you can now bring in the Cabinet Secretary. Hon. Millie, what is out of order?

[(Hon. Members observed a moment of silence)]

Hon. Speaker, nothing is out of order. As the Cabinet Secretary comes in, I request that I be given one minute to extend my condolences concerning the death of Hon. Ken Nyagudi. I did not serve with him like you did in the 9th Parliament. I only came in during the 10th Parliament. However, I knew him and his family, especially his wife, Ms Winnie. They have done excellent work procuring scholarshi…

We will move to Questions. I will give you one minute. Give Hon. K’Oyoo the microphone. There is one next to you on the left.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I also want to extend my condolences on the demise of Hon. Nyagudi, given that I cut my political teeth in Kisumu Town politics. Hon. Nyagudi was the second Member of Parliament after the sad demise of Dr Ouko. I understood his work very well. I extend my condolences to the family on my behalf and that of my constituents. We pray for God to look after his family.

Hon. Members, we will now go to Questions under Order No.7. Welcome to the House of Parliament, Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration. You were a colleague of these Members when you were in the other House. Hon. Members, we have several Questions. One or two Members had Questions that are not on the Order Paper. You can approach the Speaker to allow you to ask your Questions …

Thank you for accepting that I ask this Question on behalf of my colleague, Hon. William Kamket, the Member for Tiaty, who was not able to make it here because of some official duties out of town. However, I hope to prosecute the Question as he wanted it to be prosecuted. Could the Cabinet Secretary ―

Cabinet Secretary, you can answer those two Questions. The Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration : Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I will go straight to part one of that Question: whether the Ministry has considered reviewing the academic and other qualifications for chiefs and assistant chiefs. The appointment of chiefs and assistant chiefs is guided by the revised Scheme of Servi…

[(Hon. Kipchumba Murkomen)]

security officers in a shootout. In response, the officers returned fire, eventually overpowering the bandits, who then fled into the nearby thickets. As a result, four cows were confirmed dead, nine sustained critical injuries, and six others suffered minor injuries. Due to the intensity of the exchange of gunfire, it remains unclear whether the deaths and injuries of the animals resulted from po…

Hon. Toroitich, do you have any supplementary questions?

Yes. First, I appreciate

Hon. Pkosing.

I thank you, Hon. Speaker. I also thank Hon. Kitur from Nandi. He has prosecuted that Question successfully. That is how we should move as a country. This country is one. I have two further clarifications to seek from the Cabinet Secretary. One, last week, a chief was killed in a place called Loruk. As we speak, Hon. Kamket is at the burial of that chief. I am certain that the Cabinet Secretary k…

The last Member on that is Hon. Kangogo Bowen.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. What is the Government doing to stamp out banditry in Kerio Valley?

In Kerio Valley?

Two weeks ago, two primary school students and their uncle were killed by bandits. The students were girls. It is a repeat. We have had discussions in this House on banditry. What is the Government generally doing in the Kerio Valley belt and the entire North Rift to deal with the frequent banditry? In the Order Paper today, there is a Question on the state of security in West Pokot, Elgeyo Marakw…

Hon. Ng’elechei, ask another one. Give her the microphone.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I will be brief because yesterday, we were discussing the issue of security in the six counties of the Kerio Valley. Could the Cabinet Secretary tell us when they will conduct a proper and thorough disarmament exercise in the Kerio Valley? We have had these issues for many years, and none of the previous governments have conducted a thorough disarmament exercise. All that …

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration : Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. As a matter of fact, it is true that Hon. William Kamket is attending the funeral of our Chief Victor Sebei, who was unfortunately killed during a livestock recovery incident in Loruk. I was in Loruk, and I sent my condolences to the family. I sent the Member of Parliament to the…

[(Hon. Kipchumba Murkomen)]

one of the locations does not meet the threshold for academic qualifications. That case is under review. Similar cases are under review in a few other areas in the country. On the Question raised by Hon. Kangogo, a lot of progress has been made in the last two years as a result of "Operation Maliza Uhalifu" in Kerio Valley. The situation was not good early last year because of the attacks in vari…

in a big way. Despite this, disarmament cannot just happen in one area. With the porous borders that we have with our neighbours from Uganda, South Sudan, Ethiopia, and Somalia, there is easy proliferation of small arms. Even as the Government plans to do this disarmament in the future or the long run, we need to deal with the supply of ammunition. We discovered that most of the ammunition used to…

[(Applause)]

Member for Bumula. The Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration : Sorry, I forgot to answer the last Question by Hon. Ng'elechei about village elders. We have drafted a policy and regulations on them. They are now going through public participation. When we are done, they will be brought to this House. Then, we will collectively decide how to take care of our village elders and,…

[(Hon. Kipchumba Murkomen)]

country. I thank the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs for a good job. Thank you.

I said that I need two joyriders for each Question. We must manage our time. Member for Bumula. The Cabinet Secretary has made a lot of elaborate general statements on security. You should be satisfied with that. Question 7/2025

Thank you, Hon. Speaker for this opportunity. I rise to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration the following Question: Could the Cabinet Secretary—

Thank you.

Hon. Joseph Tonui, Kuresoi South. Go ahead. Question 027/2025

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I rise to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration the following Question: Could the Cabinet Secretary –

Hon. Mumina Bonaya. Give her the microphone. Question 28/2025

Hon. Speaker, I rise to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration the following Question:

[[The Speaker (Hon. Moses Wetang’ula) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) took the Chair]]

Next Question.

Question 31/2025

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I rise to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration the following Question:

Question 32, Hon. Peter.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I rise to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration the following Question: