National Assembly · Morning Sitting

Wednesday, 2 October 2024

Session Summary

Members of the National Assembly debated a motion to establish science museums throughout Kenya, arguing that such institutions would preserve cultural heritage, support education and research, and create employment opportunities for youth. They stressed the need for county‑wide coverage to ensure regional inclusion, promote tourism, and address challenges such as unemployment and health research, particularly cancer. The overall tone was supportive and constructive. Hon. John Kiarie asserted that much of what is credited to Greek and Roman civilization actually originates from ancient African societies, claiming that knowledge was stolen and that Africa’s historical contributions have been erased. Hon. Charles Nguna offered a counter‑point about the limited African contact of Greek philosophers, while the Deputy and Temporary Speakers managed procedural interjections. Hon. John Kiarie moved a motion to establish a science museum that would preserve Kenya's indigenous scientific and technological innovations and serve as a hub for researchers, policymakers and the public. The Temporary Speaker guided the procedural steps, Hon. Elisha seconded the motion, and several members voiced support, highlighting the need to safeguard traditional knowledge and position Kenya in the Fourth Industrial Revolution.

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Hon. Deputy Speaker

Hon. Members, there is no quorum. Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. Serjeant-at-Arms, you may stop the Bell. Let us proceed. Hon. Members, allow me to rearrange the Order Paper. We will not deal with Order No.7 now. We will first go to Orders Nos.8, 9 and 10, and then come back to Order No.7. Let us have the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party.

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Hon. Owen Baya (Kilifi North, UDA)

Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I beg to move the following Procedural Motion: THAT, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 30 (3) , this House resolves—

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Hon. Owen Baya (Kilifi North, UDA)

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move and request the small lion from the other side, Hon. Wanami Wamboka, to second the Motion. (Hon. Wanami Wamboka spoke off-the-record) A lion is still a lion, even when it is small.

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Hon. Deputy Speaker

Hon. Wamboka.

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Hon. Wanami Wamboka (Bumula, DAP-K)

Indeed, this is an important Motion but, I am not a small lion as such. This Motion affects the entire country and we need to allow everyone to have their say so that we can put Kenya back on track. I second and fully support this Motion.

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Hon. Deputy Speaker

Thank you, Hon. Members.

[(Question proposed)]

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Hon. Members

Put the question!

[(Question put and agreed to)]

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Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I beg to move the following Procedural Motion: THAT, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 28 (4) , this House resolves to suspend its Sitting of Thursday, 3rd October 2024, so as to allow administrative arrangements that are necessary to facilitate the programme for public participation on the Special Motion for the removal from office, by impeachment, of…

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Hon. Farah Maalim (Dadaab, WDM)

Hon. Deputy Speaker, the Leader of the Majority Party has moved a very important Motion to allow us to engage in public participation. Public participation is provided for in our Constitution and holds significant importance. This marks the first instance under the 2010 Constitution, which is considered one of the most progressive in the world, not only in Africa or among Third World countries, bu…

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Hon. Deputy Speaker

Thank you, Hon. Members.

[(Question proposed)]

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Hon. Members

Put the question!

[(Question put and agreed to)]

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Hon. Deputy Speaker

I think we have a Question by Hon. Robert Gichimu, Member for Gichugu.

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Hon. Gichimu Githinji (Gichugu, UDA)

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Actually, it is a request for statement regarding payment of tea bonuses for Kimunye and Thumaita tea factories for the Financial Year 2023/2024. Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request for a statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock regarding the payment of tea farmers’ annual bonu…

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Hon. Deputy Speaker

Is the Chairperson for the Committee on Agriculture and Livestock Development here? Okay, Hon. Brighton. Are you going to speak? Give him the microphone.

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Hon. Brighton Yegon (Konoin, UDA)

Hon. Deputy Speaker, this matter by Hon. Gichimu is related to two other statements that we had done before. We request for two weeks to reply.

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Hon. Deputy Speaker

All right. Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, you will ensure that it goes to the desk of the Committee on Agriculture and Livestock Development. Next, we have a request for statement by Hon. Francis Sigei, Member for Sotik.

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Hon. Francis Sigei (Sotik, UDA)

Hon. Deputy Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request for a statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure regarding the status of the construction of Cheborge Junction-Kipwastuiyo Road and Sotik-Silalo Road. On 8th May 2021, the Kenya Rural Roads Authority (KeRRA) awarded MSQ Construction Limited a contract …

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Hon. Deputy Speaker

Thank you. That would be marked to the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure. Is there a member here or the Chairperson? Again, Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, I will leave that to you. Let us now go to answers to the Questions that had been posed last week. Hon. Melly, Member for Tinderet, Chairperson of the Education and Research Committee. You have a response for Hon. Edi…

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Hon. Julius Melly (Tinderet, UDA)

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Hon. Edith Nyenze, as per Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , on the 21st of August 2024, requested for a statement on the employment status of P1 teachers who had upgraded their education with a view to being absorbed as Junior Secondary School teachers. Hon. Deputy Speaker, the issue raised by Hon. Nyenze is an issue of national concern to the teachers of this country, e…

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Hon. Julius Melly (Tinderet, UDA)

Commission, who gave me the document that I have. I will skim through the document and, thereafter, hand it over to Hon. Nyenze to go through it. If there are any further clarifications, she will seek them later. The Teachers Service Commission responded as follows to the issues that were raised in the request for statement. That, there is a report on the policy framework when TSC directed P1 tea…

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Hon. Julius Melly (Tinderet, UDA)

equip P1 teachers with the required pedagogical skills to implement CBC at the primary school level. Once those teachers are employed, they are posted to public primary schools. In view of the upgrading programme and the ongoing certification by Kenya National Examinations Council (KNEC), the Commission will commence the review of its career progression guidelines for purposes of grading such teac…

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Hon. Deputy Speaker

Hon. Nyenze, would you like to say something?

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Hon. Edith Nyenze (Kitui West, WDM)

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Thank you for the answers, but the response is not satisfactory. That is because the TSC advised the teachers to augment their education, and they spent 1,500 hours, which is roughly 9 months. They went for that training, paid some tuition fee and spent a lot of time. They even stayed away from their families for that period, but they were not considered in any way.…

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Hon. Deputy Speaker

Hon. Melly, do you have a response to that? You can clarify to Hon. Nyenze on that issue.

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Hon. Julius Melly (Tinderet, UDA)

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I agree with Hon. Nyenze. In the education sector, we have opportunities that are forgone. If TSC directed that the teachers upgrade, get a diploma certificate and are back and yet there is no advantage gained, then it is not proper. Since the teachers gained the pedagogical skills and the technical know-how, they deserve some salary increment. This is to show that they have t…

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Hon. Deputy Speaker

Thank you very much. Let us now proceed to the answers by the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Health, Hon. Pukose. Has he nominated somebody to answer to the question by Hon. Rahab Mukami, Member for Nyeri County? I

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thought I saw Hon. Pukose here. He also needs to answer a second question that was sought by Hon. John Mukunji, Member for Manyatta. Did Hon. Pukose assign anyone? We will pass those two questions and move them to another time. We can now move to the next Order. Hon. John Kiarie.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. (Dr.) Racheal Nyamai)

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