National Assembly · Morning Sitting

We have a request for statement by Hon. Machua Waithaka, Member for Kiambu County. Is the Member for Kiambu, Hon. Waithaka, here? Let me go to the next one by the Member for Makueni County, Hon. Susan Kiamba. You may proceed.

[(Request for Statement deferred)]

Hon. Deputy Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure regarding the status of Emali- Ukia Road in Makueni County. The Emali-Ukia Road, which serves Kaiti, Makueni and Kibwezi constituencies, is a vital transport corridor that facilitates the movement of peo…

Hon. Deputy Speaker, it is against this background that I request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Department Committee on Transport and Infrastructure on the

Is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure here? Is there a Member of the Committee present who can undertake, on his behalf, to bring the statement?

Hon. Chairman, on behalf of the Committee, we undertake to push for an answer within the first week after the coming recess.

Thank you, we appreciate. Next Order.

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Vote/Programme/Projec t/Item Approved Additional Exchequer Disbursement Dates Remarks Committee recommendat ion Current Capital Total Current Transfers to Other Levels of Government 1,750,000,000 in the National and County Governments 1091 State Department for Roads - 18,940,000,00 18,940,000,000 8,000,000,000 18/12/2024 Approved 0202000 Road Transport - 18,940,000,00 18,940,000,000 8,000,000,…

Hon. Members, this Motion was exhaustively debated yesterday and it is time for the Mover to reply.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, before I reply, allow Hon. Wamboka to contribute. I know he had a lot to say. He did not have an opportunity yesterday. Therefore, I will give him two minutes of my time.

Hon. Wanami, you have two minutes.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Hon. Temporary Speaker, the Leader of the Majority Party is pronouncing my name loudly. Hon. Temporary Speaker, I support this Motion. I am happy that the Members of the Budget and Appropriations Committee have now realised their mistakes. I implore on the new Budget and Appropriations Committee to ensure that they balance the allocation of resources of this co…

[(Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah spoke off record)]

paltry sum of Ksh50 million. Small hospitals like Soy have been given Ksh500 million. In Bondo, there is Jaramogi Oginga Odinga Referral Hospital. The Nyanza region already has Russia Hospital in Kisumu, which is a parastatal, but the western region does not have any referral hospital. The Government has since moved to make Jaramogi Oginga Odinga Hospital in Bondo a parastatal, whereas the entire …

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Order, Hon. Wanami.

Hon. Pukose, what is out of order?

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. My point of order is on the issue raised by Hon. Wanami, specifically his complaint about the promotion of Jaramogi Oginga Odinga Hospital to a national referral hospital. It is not in order for him to raise such a complaint. He should, instead, have made a request for, perhaps, Kakamega Hospital to be promoted to a national referral hospital rather than referrin…

Hon. Pukose, that sounds like a point of information, not a point of order.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, let me finish my contribution.

You have 30 seconds.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, Hon. Pukose did not understand what I was talking about. I was neither talking about Professor Nyong'o's hospital nor complaining about the upgrading of the hospital in Bondo. I was just saying that in considering upgrading hospitals, other facilities should also have been considered. Kakamega Hospital, for instance, requires a status upgrade. I am not complaining on behalf…

[(Loud consultations)]

Hon. Wamboka, you are totally out of order. You do not disparage your colleague like that.

I apologise. It was on a light note.

Thank you. The Mover can now reply.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, as I proceed to reply, I encourage Hon. Wamboka to take responsibility, as a leader from that region, and initiate the process of making sure that Kakamega Hospital becomes a national referral health facility. It is within his power to do so. I take this opportunity to thank all the Members of the Liaison Committee, who worked very hard to ensure that we completed this pro…

contribute to this debate. It was good to see Members interrogate the document and give so much feedback. With those remarks, I beg to reply.

Thank you. Hon. Members, we proceed to the next Order, which is Committee of Supply.

[(Question put and agreed to)]

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. Even as I support this increase, I just want to state as follows: The total increase under Vote 1011 to Vote 2017, the presidency, is in billions. Even as we approve these increases, it is important for the presidency to set a good example in terms of use of public resources. What I am seeing is that the presidency is receiving a large increase, while…

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

[(Programme 0704000 agreed to)]

[(Vote 1017 agreed to)]

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I congratulate the Liaison Committee for this increase. Our correctional services have suffered through many challenges. When such departments get consideration for an increase, we appreciate very much. I support.

[(Programmes 0623000, 0627000 and 0628000 agreed to)]

[(Vote 1023 agreed to)]

THAT, further to the Supplementary Appropriation (No.2) Act, 2024, the sum allocated to meet the expenditure (Recurrent and Development) for the year ending 30th June 2025 in respect of Vote 1024 (State Department for Immigration and Citizen Services) be increased by a sum not exceeding Ksh5,850,521,469. (Programmes 0605000, 0626000 and 0631000 agreed to)

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. Even as I support this increase to the National Police Service, it is important for the police to take their work a bit seriously. In the last two days in Nairobi, Kenyans have been badly harassed by crooks in places where the President visited. We cannot be giving them more resources when Kenyans are being exposed to these kinds of problems from crooks. I sup…

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support this funding to the National Police Service. Kenya is still far from international standards. As we proceed, I beseech this House to continue giving more resources to this department. This is because at the end of the day we need security. We are not secure. I also ask the Budget and Appropriations Committee, now chaired by my good friend Hon. Atandi,…

[(Programme 0601000 agreed to)]

[(Vote 1025 agreed to)]

Sorry, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I had put the intervention on the National Police Service, but you bypassed me.

The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari): Very well. Hon. Wanami, is your intervention on this one?

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, we really appreciate the Government’s efforts in trying to bring services closer to mwananchi. So many administrative units have been created, and I laud the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs for this. These administrative units need a lot of resources. I applaud the Liaison Committee on allocating resources to this department, …

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. To echo what my colleague, Hon. Wamboka has said, we have gazetted many new divisions, locations and sub-locations, including in my constituency, that have not been operationalised. I want to believe that upon the approval of this appropriation, the State Department will move with speed so that we can employ new sub-chiefs, chiefs, and deploy assistant county c…

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

Yes, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I also want to echo the same sentiments. There was a debate here yesterday about the operationalisation of new administrative units, and I think this Ksh9 billion that we are voting on should go into ensuring that it is done, and also to pay the salaries of chiefs and assistant chiefs who have not been paid. In terms of security, this country needs to up its game so …

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, thank you so much. I do not want to belabour what Members have already said. You remember yesterday during the afternoon session that this topic of sub-county and administrative units came up strongly. I indicated in this House that in this Supplementary Budget, we had about Ksh280 million, which could do very little. So, I implore this august House that, maybe, when we …

[(Programmes 0629000, 0630000 and 0632000 agreed to)]

[(Vote 1026 agreed to)]

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

THAT, further to the Supplementary Appropriation (No.2) Act, 2024, the sum allocated to meet the expenditure (Recurrent and Development) for the year ending 30th June 2025 in respect of Vote 1032 (State Department for Devolution) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Ksh1,059,250,000.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, the First Schedule be amended in Vote 1036 by deleting the figure Kshs. 2,800,189,484 in Column 10 , under the programme 1013000 Integrated Regional Development, and substituting therefor the figure Kshs 3,150,189,484. This is an increase of Ksh300 million to factor for drought mitigation in various community dams. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairl…

[(State Department for ASALS and Regional Development)]

[(Gross Capital Estimates)]

[(Question of the amendment proposed)]

[(Programme 1013000 as amended agreed to)]

[(Vote 1036 as amended agreed to)]

Yes, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. In regard to that amount, while I support it, why is it then that the Ministry of Defence is proposing that

army personnel should pay for their food? I think if this amount is well utilised, that question should not arise because since time immemorial in Kenya, the Ministry of Defence has self- supported in their own mess, untaxed items, and even their food. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari): Thank you. Very well noted. Hon. Makali.

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. Even as we support this huge increase to the Ministry of Defence, we know that a modernisation programme is taking place, but it needs to be well planned, so that such huge sums are not proposed in the Supplementary Budget. Such huge sums should be proposed in the annual estimates. We should not get such huge sums in the Supplementary Budget unless t…

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. Many patriotic soldiers have lost their lives in the line of duty. During my time in the Public Accounts Committee, the Office of the Auditor-General severally raised the issue of their compensation. That will be one of the considerations as we appropriate these funds. Since those who lost their lives defending our country were the breadwinners for their famil…

[(Programmes 0801000, 0802000, 0803000 and 0805000 greed to)]

[(Vote 1041 agreed to)]

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, we have received reports that many of our foreign missions are not adequately facilitated to carry out their duties. We want to believe that this money is going to our foreign embassies and it will not be utilised at the headquarters in Nairobi.

[(Programmes 0714000, 0715000, 0741000 and 0742000 agreed to)]

[(Vote 1053 agreed to)]

June 2025 in respect of Vote 1054 (State Department for Diaspora Affairs), be reduced by a sum not exceeding Ksh4,130,037.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support the increase. Many technical and vocational training colleges in the country, including Matuga TVC, were officially opened last year. However, we have not received equipment up to now. This being a centre of excellence, it is my hope that this increase will go into the purchase of that equipment. I hope this will be done fast because students have bee…

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I also support this increase because some technical vocational training centres in my constituency have not been funded, specifically the Bungoma National Polytechnic. I hope the sums will go towards assisting operations and programmes in that particular institution. The Temporary Chairlady : Hon. Owen.

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I also echo the same sentiments. We have established many institutions which are half complete because of unavailability of funds. They have taken very long to be completed. I hope this money will also go into that. Secondly, the State Department should employ more teachers in the technical and vocational colleges and also procure the necessary equipment. I support this …

[(Programmes 0505000, 0507000 and 0508000 agreed to)]

[(Vote 1064 agreed to)]

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady.

As we appropriate this sum of money, the very young universities that were recently chartered have great problems with infrastructure, including Tharaka University. I hope great consideration is being given to university infrastructure in the Supplementary Estimates, which we are about to pass. Otherwise, our students will be studying under trees, which is unacceptable. The Temporary Chairlady (H…

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. This is a huge increase which will also take care of loans for our students, especially the needy ones. I support the increase.

[(Programmes 0504000, 0506000 and 0508000 agreed to)]

[(Vote 1065 agreed to)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support this increase, but I still hope that capitation for our primary and secondary schools will be released on a timely basis. The Temporary Chairlady : Hon. Farah.

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I support the increase. However, in addition to what is already there, we should use climate-friendly cooking methods, also known as smart cooking, in boarding secondary schools in arid and semi-arid areas. The region has a fragile ecosystem and smart cooking methods will spare the cutting of trees. Therefore, the increase must cater for smart cooking technology machines,…

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I wanted to talk about the capitation being sent on time. Education is becoming difficult in this country. The Ministry of Education and the Teachers Service Commission (TSC) have to find ways of aligning the disbursement of the capitation with the school calendar because the school calendar cannot be changed. If we allocate money towards school capitation, but…

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I am happy that the increment also affects quality assurance. We hope this particular increment will assist the education officers on the ground in terms of movement to enable them to visit all schools to ensure effective implementation of the curriculum. I support this increment. The Temporary Chairlady : Hon. Tandaza.

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady.

The current Competency-Based Curriculum (CBC) has three pathways. While I support this increment, nowhere does it mention that they will concentrate on the third pathway of arts and sports. That is an area which needs to be developed. There is a lot of talent in that area, but the Ministry seems to have swept it under the carpet. I support the increment. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wanga…

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, my concern is that some infrastructure projects received partial funding in the last financial year. I believe this extra funding being allocated to basic education, especially secondary schools, will also be channelled towards completing projects that threaten to become white elephants in some of our schools. The Temporary Chairlady : Hon. Owen.

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want to buttress the fact that we need this money at the State Department for Basic Education because there are many pending infrastructure development projects especially the CBC classrooms. Many schools have not received funds to construct CBC classrooms. Once the Ministry receives this money, I urge them to ensure there is equitable distribution of funds, so that the…

[(Programmes 0501000, 0502000, 0503000 and 0508000 agreed to)]

[(Vote 1066 agreed to)]

THAT, further to the Supplementary Appropriation (No.2) Act, 2024, the sum allocated to meet the expenditure (Recurrent and Development) for the year ending 30th June 2025 in respect of Vote 1082 (State Department for Medical Services) be increased by a sum not exceeding Ksh11,585,427,194.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support the increment. However, counties like Kwale do not have a referral hospital to date. I hope the increment will go to such counties which dearly need referral hospitals.

[(Programmes 0402000, 0410000, 0411000 and 0412000 agreed to)]

[(Vote 1082 agreed to)]

No. The Temporary Chairlady : Thank you.

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

[(Programmes 0406000, 0407000, 0408000 and 0412000 agreed to)]

[(Vote 1083 agreed to)]

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move the following amendment: THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1091 by deleting the figure Ksh130,176,743,030 in Column 10 , under Programme 0202000, Road Transport, and substituting therefor the figure Ksh136,407,243,030. This is to cater for an increase of Ksh62 billion for the Nairobi-Nakuru-Mau Summit Road, which is ready to start, and is meant to prov…

[(Gross Capital Estimates)]

(Question of the amendment proposed)

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I had wanted to comment on the one on road transport. Yesterday, we were given a very good report on what the Liaison Committee has done regarding the non-financial recommendations on budget-making going forward. Geo-mapping is something that is going to help us. These mind-bogging figures of Ksh10 billion or Ksh16 billion will begin to make sense in areas that…

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move the following amendment: THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1092 by inserting Ksh50,000,000 in Column 9 under Programme 0205000, Air Transport. Hon. Temporary Chairlady, this is for the completion of ongoing projects on airstrips.

[(Gross Capital Estimates)]

[(Question of the amendment proposed)]

[(Programme 0205000 as amended agreed to)]

[(Programmes 0201000, 0203000, 0204000 and 0216000 agreed to)]

[(Vote 1092 as amended agreed to)]

June 2025 in respect of Vote 1093 (State Department for Shipping and Maritime Affairs) be increased by a sum not exceeding Ksh636,400,000.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, the First Schedule to the Order Paper be amended in Vote 1094 by deleting the figure Ksh377,917,891 in Column 10 under Programme 0106000 – General Administration Planning and Support Services and substituting therefore the figure Ksh459,917,891. This is an increase of Ksh82 million to cater for court awards. The Temporary Chairlady : Very well. Th…

[(Gross Current Estimates)]

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

[(Question of the amendment proposed)]

[(Programme 0106000 as amended agreed to)]

[(Programmes 0102000 and 0105000 agreed to)]

[(Vote 1094 as amended agreed to)]

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

I wanted to contribute to Vote 1094 and on roads. Maybe the computer is not reading the interventions.

The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari): Let us make progress.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, the First Schedule to the Order Paper be amended in Vote 1104 by deleting the figure of Ksh16,133,590,000 appearing in Column 10 under the Programme 1014000 – Irrigation and Land Reclamation, and substituting therefor the figure Ksh16,373,590,000. These resources will cater for the last mile water reach from the dams to the wananchi. It is an increa…

[(Gross Capital Estimates)]

[(Question of the amendment proposed)]

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I just want to support this amendment brought by the Mover because we need a lot of these projects in our constituencies, especially the last mile connectivity with water. The Temporary Chairlady : Kitayama.

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support the amendment, but reduction and water should not be found in the same sentence. Maybe we will do better next time, so that we have more money to serve our people well by making sure that the last mile water connections, development of dams and harvesting of water are well done.

[(Programme 1014000 as amended agreed to)]

[(Vote 1104 as amended agreed to)]

June 2025 in respect of Vote 1109 (State Department for Water and Sanitation) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Ksh20,047,070,620. Programme 1017000 – Water and Sewerage Infrastructure Development The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari): There is a proposed amendment. Mover.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, the First Schedule to the Order Paper be amended in Vote 1109 by deleting the figure Ksh18,730,307,366 in Column 10 under the Programme 1017000 – Water and Sewerage Infrastructure Development, and substituting therefor the figure Ksh19,090,361,126. The money will cover the pending bills by the State corporations under the State Department for Water …

[(Gross Capital Estimates)]

[(Question of the amendment proposed)]

[(Programme 1017000 as amended agreed to)]

[(Programmes 1001000 and 1004000 agreed to)]

[(Vote 1109 as amended agreed to)]

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I am a Member of the Departmental Committee on Sports and Culture and I support this amendment because most of the activities which were affected were pensions. It is very important that we pay our pensions and gratuity in time to the staff who have exited service. I support the amendment. The Temporary Chairlady : Before the next Vote, allow me to welcome students fro…

[(Programme 0901000 agreed to)]

[(Vote 1132 agreed to)]

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

[(Applause)]

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, the First Schedule to the Order Paper be amended in Vote 1135 by deleting the figure Ksh386,922,250 appearing in Column 9 under Programme 0711000 – Youth Empowerment Services, and substituting therefore the figure with Ksh387,122,250. This is an increase of Ksh200 million to cater for interventions under youth unemployment.

[(Gross Current Estimates)]

[(Question of the amendment proposed)]

[(Programme 0711000 as amended agreed to)]

[(Programmes 0221000, 0748000 and 0749000 agreed to)]

[(Vote 1135 as amended agreed to)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I beg to move: THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1152 by deleting the figure Ksh25,892,921,654 in Column 10 under the Programme 0213000 - Power Transmission and Distribution, and substituting therefor the figure Ksh26,042,921,954.

[(Gross Capital Estimates)]

This is an increase of Ksh150 million for the last mile connectivity and purchase of transformers.

[(Loud consultations)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support the reduction and also note the increase of Ksh350 million for the electrification of public facilities and the other increase of Ksh150 million for the installation of transformers in constituencies. This item is long overdue. I hope that once we pass this Supplementary Estimates, they will move with speed to provide connectivity to schools, which ar…

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support the amendment, but even as I appreciate the increment, as we move towards the main budget, we will need to increase allocation for rural electrification and for extension of power connectivity to rural areas in Kenya. I believe that every home in this country should be connected to electricity in this age. Electricity connectivity spurs economic growt…

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

Thank you. As I support this increment, I would like to ask the Ministry to ensure that electricity connectivity is countrywide. As we speak, there are areas in Mandera Town, the county headquarters, that have been in darkness for the past month due to a lack of generators. This situation is concerning, especially since we have allocated funds for the last-mile connectivity. The Temporary Chairla…

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I also wish to add my voice to this. We have a major electricity problem where I come from. Most of the areas are not connected. I support this. It says that it will be reduced by a sum not exceeding Ksh6 million. The Temporary Chairlady : Let us have Hon. Muchangi.

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The issue of electricity connectivity is very contentious in this country, especially for those who do not have access. As we increase funding for this Programme, we must ensure that there is fair distribution of this resource so that all households across the country feel accommodated. The Temporary Chairlady : Hon. Rindikiri.

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. This is a very important Vote. We even need more resources allocated to this Vote. My constituency Buuri requires affirmative action just like many other constituencies. Therefore, as we move forward, we need to be sector-specific. Some Votes are general, but we need to be sector- specific.

(Hon. Owen Baya consulted with the clerks-at-the-Table)

[(Loud consultations)]

[(Loud consultations)]

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, if we add the figure that has been increased, the gross figure still remains that there is a decrease in the allocation to the State Department of Energy. This is a fact. My worry is: Why are we reducing an allocation to energy when we have issues in terms of energy in the country? These are the fundamental questions that we need to ask instead of just supporting. The Te…

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I just want to correct Hon. Owen. He says that we have an electrification problem. That is true, but throwing money into the energy sector does not necessarily ensure the electrification of the entire country. That is why we have moved the money to increase the programme on last-mile electrification. At the end of the day, we want electricity connectivity to reach the mos…

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

[(Programme 0213000 as amended agreed to)]

(Programmes 0214000, 0212000 and 0211000 agreed to)

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. There is a new board, the Livestock Marketing and Products Board. It initially required almost Ksh500 million to operationalise. However, I can see in the programme that it has been allocated Ksh50 million. We had a discussion with the Mover on the same and concluded that we need to increase this amount by at least Ksh500 million in the next coming budget to st…

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

[(Programme 0112000 agreed to)]

[(Vote 1162 agreed to)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I sit in this Committee and there is a big problem when it comes to fish landing sites where there are pending bills. Some are complete, but cannot be operationalised. I hope this increase will go a long way in clearing the pending bills and operationalising fish landing sites in Kwale, Kilifi, and Lamu. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady.

[(Programmes 0111000, 0117000 and 0118000 agreed to)]

[(Vote 1162 agreed to)]

THAT, further to the Supplementary Appropriation (No.2) Act, 2024, the sum allocated to meet the expenditure (Recurrent and Development) for the year ending 30th June 2025 in respect of Vote 1169 (State Department for Agriculture) be increased by a sum not exceeding Ksh3,203,824,076. Programme 0108000 – Crop Development and Management The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari): Mover, propose …

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1169 by deleting the figure Ksh25,205,606,972 appearing in Column 10 under Programme 0108000 under Crop Development and Management, and substituting therefor the figure Ksh25,605,606,972. This is to cater for an increase of Ksh400 million under sugar reforms. Even though sugar companies are going to be privatised, th…

[(State Department for Agriculture)]

[(Gross Capital Estimates)]

[(Question of the amendment proposed)]

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

Thank you so much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support this amendment because agriculture is a very vital sector in our economy. Going forward we need to put more money in this department. I support the amendment because sugarcane farmers, specifically in the Nzoia Sugar Belt, have suffered together with employees. Moving forward, I urge that we put more resources. The Temporary Chairlady : Memb…

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support this amendment, particularly looking at agriculture as the lifeline of the economy of this country. We want more subsidised inputs, especially seeds. The Temporary Chairlady : Member for Nandi.

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I am in total support of the allocation or provision of money to sugarcane growing areas. We need to support production, processing and marketing. The Temporary Chairlady : Asante.

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

[(Programme 0108000 as amended agreed to)]

[(Programmes 0107000, 0109000 and 0120000 agreed to)]

[(Vote 1169 as amended agreed to)]

Programme 0304000 – Cooperative Development and Management The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari): I am told there is a proposed amendment. Mover.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1173 by deleting the figure Ksh4,830,408,765 in Column 9 under Programme 0304000 and substituting therefor the figure Ksh4,830,908,765. This is an increase by Ksh500 million. It will go to the New Kenya Planters Cooperative Union. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Temporary Chairlady : Very well. Before I …

[(State Department for Cooperatives)]

[(Gross Current Estimates)]

[(Cooperative Development and Management)]

[(Question of the amendment proposed)]

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

I support this amendment. It is very important because we are dealing with the coffee sector, which has been on its deathbed. Allocating more money to re-operationalise the New Kenya Planters Cooperative Union will benefit our farmers, particularly in areas like Meru where I come from. The Temporary Chairlady : Thank you very much.

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

[(Programme 0304000 as amended agreed to)]

[(Vote 1173 as amended agreed to)]

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT the schedule be amended in Vote 1174 that the Schedule be amended by deleting the figure Ksh3,480,037,327 in column 9 under Programme 0309000 and substituting therefor the figure Ksh3,479,837,327. This is a reduction by Ksh200 million to rationalise the budget within the Ministries Departments and Agencies (MDAs) .

[(State Department for Trade)]

[(Gross Current Estimates)]

[(Domestic Trade and Enterprise Development)]

[(Question of the amendment proposed)]

The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari): Hon. Farah.

I support the amendment by the Mover to increase that amount. Our trade representatives travel outside the country for trade missions yet they are not facilitated. They cannot move around looking for markets. Trading with the rest of the world is the most important thing. So, our trade representatives will not bring orders and business opportunities for our country unless we facilitate them well.

[(Programme 0309000 as amended agreed to)]

[(Programmes 0310000, 0311000 and 0312000 agreed to)]

[(Vote 1174 as amended agreed to)]

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1175 by deleting the figure Ksh2,000,000,000 in column 10 under Programme 0320000 and substituting therefor the figure Ksh3,000,000,000. This is to add an extra Ksh1 billion for the County Aggregation and Industrial Parks (CAIPs) projects happening in counties. Thank you. The Temporary Chairlady : Hon. Members, …

[(State Department for Industry)]

[(Gross Capital Estimates)]

[(Industrial Promotion and Development)]

[(Question of the amendment proposed)]

[(Programme 0320000 as amended agreed to)]

[(Programmes 0301000 and 0321000 agreed to)]

[(Vote 1175 as amended agreed to)]

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

June 2025 in respect of Vote 1071 (The National Treasury) be reduced by a sum not exceeding Ksh1,832,030,541. Programme 0717000 - General Administration Planning and Support Services The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari): Mover.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1071 by deleting the figure Ksh12,527,740,146 in Column 9 under Programme 0717000 - General Administration Planning and Support Services and substituting therefor the figure Ksh12,185,740,146. This is to enable paying pending bills under the State Department of Water and Sanitation which amounts to Ksh342 million. T…

[(The National Treasury)]

[(Gross Current Estimates)]

[(Question of the amendment proposed)]

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

I support this amendment because we urgently need to deal with the white elephant in the House called pending bills. The Temporary Chairlady : Hon. Ntwiga. Hon. Patrick Ntwiga (Chuka/Igambang’ombe, UDA) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support this amendment. As we know, pending bills have been killing our business people. Therefore, this is a good amendment. The Temporary Chairlady …

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

[(Programme 0717000 as amended agreed to)]

[(Programmes 0718000, 0719000 and 0720000 agreed to)]

[(Vote 1071 as amended agreed to)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I beg to move: THAT, the schedule be amended under Vote 1072, by deleting Ksh25,208,684 in Column 9 under the programme 0709000 under General Administration, Planning and Support Services and substituting therefor the figure with a new figure of Ksh73,208,684.

[(Gross Current Estimates)]

Thank you. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari): Thank you very much. (Question of the amendment proposed)

Yes. Hon. Temporary Chairlady, this is a very important Vote. Yesterday I had the privilege of visiting one of the prisons in the company of the Cabinet Secretary and we saw there is a lot of need to increase infrastructure and other services within our correctional areas. The population is increasing. By approving this, we are in order. We would have asked for more, but this is quite in order. T…

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. With this increase, the State Department should streamline its operations. We have situations where very elderly people visit the offices for registration and most of the time officers in charge are not there. I support this increment but let them also streamline their services to the elderly people.

[(Programmes 0908000, 0909000 and 0914000 agreed to)]

[(Vote 1185 agreed to)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support this very important Vote. We are yet to harness many minerals in the country. Therefore, increasing this money will go a long way in ensuring that we harness the minerals in the country, including in Taita Taveta County, where we have many minerals such as gemstones and iron ore.

[(Programmes 1007000, 1009000 and 1021000 agreed to)]

[(Vote 1192 agreed to)]

THAT, further to the Supplementary Appropriation (No.2) Act, 2024, the sum allocated to meet the expenditure (Recurrent and Development) for the year ending 30th June 2025 in respect of Vote 1193 (State Department for Petroleum) be increased by a sum not exceeding Ksh19,349,090.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, the First Schedule to the Order Paper be amended –

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady for giving me this opportunity to contribute. It is very unfortunate that while we increase the budgets of all other State departments, we are reducing the allocation to County Woman Representatives of the National Assembly. We are already working with a very meagre amount of Ksh9 million compared to constituency Members of Parliament who get over Ksh150 millio…

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I also agree with the sentiments by the County Woman Representative for Kirinyaga. This is one of those accidents that Hon. Donya was talking about yesterday. It cannot be that we reduce the budget when it comes to gender related issues. The County Woman Representatives do extremely important things to help the girl child and to promote affirmative action in th…

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I also want to echo my colleagues’ sentiments. It is unfortunate because these are funds meant for affirmative action. Why are we further marginalising the marginalised by reducing the funds set aside for them? All the Votes are being increased, but it is unfortunate that funds that support affirmative action are being reduced. We do not support this amendment.…

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support the argument by our County Woman Representatives. This reduction is not being done

in good faith. The problem is that every time we talk about gender, we talk about the girl child or women, whereas by definition, gender is not only confined to ladies. It also applies to boys. We are having a very serious challenge with the boy child. If we reduce this amount, it means we are condemning our boy child. We need money to go and rescue the boy child. We should not approve this as it …

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I also want to echo that certainly we would want to increase that amount, but when a Member says that single constituency Members of Parliament have money to do all what they want, the Member should remember that when it comes to bursaries, we give them to both boys and girls. We do not leave the girls out for the county Members of Parliament. The Temporary Ch…

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. Of course, the Deputy Speaker who has moved the amendment has tried her level best to explain. My attention is drawn to the global figure which is reduced. That means it is actually affecting every other Vote Head that is in this department. Therefore, we do not support this amendment because we want the global figure to remain as it is or as was, as opposed to…

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

[(Loud consultations)]

Hon. Temporary Chairperson, it is actually correct that there is a reduction, but unfortunately, I have been explaining to the Members that they will not be able to move an amendment here because we are under Article 114 (2) of the Constitution under money Bills. It says that: “If, in the opinion of the Speaker of the National Assembly, a motion makes provision for a matter listed in the definiti…

[(in this case, it is the Liaison Committee)]

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

[(Loud consultations)]

Hon. Members, I would like to make a clarification. Of course, I will not support a reduction, but there is one thing which is very fundamental. The money for the National Government Affirmative Action Fund (NGAAF) is not reduced by even a cent. It will just remain the same. The reduction will be on the basis of the general operation expenses within the Ministry. We are coming to the end of the fi…

[(Loud consultations)]

Hon. Muge, let me draw your attention to this issue. What we are looking at is a Supplementary Budget; it is not the main budget. We have less than three months to the end of the financial year. In the Supplementary Budget, we look for money that is not going to be spent before the end of the financial year, so that it can be re-appropriated elsewhere. We also check if there are other people who …

Yes.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, the First Schedule be amended in Vote 1213 by deleting the figure Kshs643,945,784 in Column 10 , under the Programme 0710000 Public Service Transformation, and substituting therefor with the figure Kshs663,945,784. This is an increase of Ksh20 million for the completion of the pending Huduma Centres under construction. The Temporary Chairlady : H…

[(State Department for Public Service)]

[(Gross Capital Estimates)]

[(Question of the amendment proposed)]

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

[(Hon. Njeri Maina spoke off record)]

[(Programme 0710000 as amended agreed to)]

[(Programmes 0709000 and 0747000 agreed to)]

[(Vote 1213 as amended agreed to)]

June 2025 in respect of Vote 1252 (The State Law Office) be increased by a sum not exceeding Ksh165,952,960.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, the First Schedule be amended in Vote 1252 be amended by deleting the figure Ksh815,959,137 in Column 9 under the Programme 0609000, General Administration Planning and Support Services, and substituting therefor the figure Ksh890,959,137. That is an increase of Ksh75 million to cover pending operations and maintenance at the State Law Office. Thes…

[(State Law Office)]

[(Gross Current Estimates)]

[(Question of the amendment proposed)]

[(Programme 0609000 as amended agreed to)]

[(Vote 1252 as amended agreed to)]

June 2025 in respect of Vote 1291 (Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions) be increased by a sum not exceeding Ksh235,400,000.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, it is okay to remove this money from the Office of the Registrar of Political Parties (ORPP) . The Office has a lot of work during and immediately after elections, but after that, there is not much work. Because of that, this money can find some use somewhere else. We can put this money in education and other places. Again, with only three months remaining in the financ…

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

[(Programme 0614000 agreed to)]

[(Vote 1311 agreed to)]

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the Committee of Supply do report to the House its consideration of the Second Supplementary Estimates for the Financial Year 2024/2025 up to Vote 1311 and its approval thereof with amendments and seeks leave to sit again.

[(Question proposed)]

[(Question put and agreed to)]

[(The House resumed)]

The Chairlady, you may report

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to report to the House that the Committee of Supply has considered the Second Supplementary Estimates for the Financial Year 2024/2025 up to Vote 1311 and approved the same with amendments and now seeks leave to sit again.

Mover, Hon. Baya.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I also request Hon. Naomi Waqo to second the Motion for agreement with the

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I second.

[(Question proposed)]

[(Question put and agreed to)]