National Assembly · Afternoon Sitting

Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Departmental Committee on Education on its consideration of the Petition by employees of public universities and colleges regarding funding of the 2017-2021 Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) , laid on the Table of the House on Thursday, 6th November

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (a) , I rise to give the following Statement on behalf of the House Business Committee, which met on Tuesday, 4th November 2025, to prioritise business for consideration during the week. From the outset, allow me to officially welcome Members back from the short recess. I trust that they are well rejuvenated and ready to tackle the…

Thank you, Hon. Owen. The next Statement is by Hon. Oundo, Wilberforce.

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 43, I rise to make a Statement regarding the hosting of the 11th World Scout Parliamentary Union (WSPU) General Assembly scheduled to be held from 6th to 13th November 2025, in Kenya. The World Scout Parliamentary Union (WSPU) is an international organisation that unites scout-oriented parliamentarians from around the world and brings the…

Act, Cap 412D and sections 3 and 8 of the Public Appointments (Parliamentary Approval) Act, CAP 7F, this House approves the appointment of the Hon. (Eng.) Michael Thoyah Kingi as a Member of the SRC.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Hon. Speaker, pursuant to provisions of Standing Order 43, I rise to make a General Statement on the devastating landslide that struck Elgeyo Marakwet County. On the early morning of Saturday, 1st November 2025, part of Elgeyo-Marakwet County experienced landslides following heavy and persistent rainfall. The areas affected by the calamity include Embobut, Embalot Ward, E…

Thank you, Hon. Caroline. Hon. Phylis Bartoo.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Let me also join the leadership of Elgeyo Marakwet to condole with the families who lost their loved ones. Elgeyo Marakwet and Moiben constituencies are conjoined, and we are neighbours. The majority of the settlers residing in Moiben have family members in Marakwet East. I want to take this chance to say sorry for that tragedy. We have mothers who are crying, we have sis…

Member for Keiyo North.

Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. I want to take this opportunity to pass my heartfelt condolences to the families of those people who

lost their loved ones and to wish a quick recovery to those people who were injured following the mudslide in Marakwet East. Hon. Speaker, I also lost two people in my constituency, a mother and a grandchild, and I also send my condolences to that family. The people of Marakwet, especially those in Marakwet East, have suffered greatly from the crisis of insecurity, but we thank the Government bec…

Commissioner Makau.

Hon. Speaker, allow me to join Hon. Ng’elechei and the leaders from Elgeyo Marakwet in condoling with the families of the victims of floods and landslides. This is a wake-up call that climate change is real. When Motions are brought here for the degazettement of forests, it reminds me how much we are contributing to such natural calamities. I also call upon our governors, now that even the weather…

Hon. Ng'elechei has requested that Members who feel empathy and have some coins to spare support the rehabilitation of the affected families. I have given her permission and authority to sign a check-off for those who want to contribute. Hon. Pkosing.

Hon. Speaker, as a neighbour, because my Pokot South Constituency neighbours Marakwet East, I am very devastated. I want to share my condolences with the Honourable Woman Representative of Elgeyo Marakwet. She has made a very passionate plea. As a neighbour, I would like to extend my condolences to the families of the people we have lost. We had a similar problem in Pokot South and parts of Sigor…

called lightning, which kills our people almost every day. Even during the current rainy season, I have lost several people in Pokot South. I am suggesting – I hope they are listening – that the department responsible for weather should build lightning arresters in the highland constituencies I have mentioned, specifically in my constituency. In that area, we have two problems – problems of lands…

Member for Keiyo South.

Hon. Speaker, I join my colleagues in mourning and saying pole to the people of Marakwet East, especially the people of Chesongoch, and more so the people of Keiyo North who reside in Kipendo. The landslides in Elgeyo Marakwet are not random. In 2007, we lost people. In 2012, we lost people. In 2019, our old school in Marakwet East, in Litein, was swept by floods. The entire school was washed awa…

Hon. Maungu.

Hon. Speaker, I must start by saying pole sana to the great people of Elgeyo Marakwet for the loss and the damage that happened recently. On my own behalf and that of the great people of Luanda and Vihiga County in general, I cry with them and say pole sana. What happened may not be very new because, as my colleagues have said, these are things that have happened over and over again. It is high ti…

Can we end it there? Those who want to support can talk to Hon. Ng’elechei. I acknowledge the presence of ACK Thika Greens youth from Kandara Constituency, Murang’a County. We also have students of Kathiguni Primary School from Chuka/Igambang’ombe Constituency, Tharaka-Nithi. On behalf of the House and myself, we welcome the students, their teachers, and those accompanying them to Parliament. Ho…

Hon. Speaker. Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security regarding the shortage of police officers in Kandara Constituency. Chapter 10 of the National Police Service Standing Orders mandates the Inspector General to designate police stations, police patrol bases, …

[[The Speaker (Hon. Moses Wetang’ula) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) took the Chair]]

assailant who remains at large. On the following day, 24th October 2025, Mr Jason Chege from Githuya Village was also murdered under comparable circumstances. To date, no convictions have been made in connection with those heinous acts. If the situation is not addressed urgently, it could lead to additional cases of criminal activity in the area. It is against this background that I request a Sta…

Thank you very much. Chair of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security. Vice- Chair, you have changed the place where you normally sit. I will now be looking for you from the front row.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I am trying to exit the House. I have heard our Honourable colleague. Prepare to allocate more money to the police in the next financial year. We will respond in two weeks, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Thank you. Hon. Daniel Manduku, please, proceed with your request for a statement.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I acknowledge the tremendous work that this House has put into ensuring that we have tea sector reforms. I also acknowledge the ruling by the Speaker yesterday. In the circumstances, I feel that my Request for Statement has been overtaken by events. Therefore, I wish to withdraw it.

Hon. Daniel Manduku, is it overtaken by event?

The Committee on Agriculture put in much work yesterday. The Speaker guided on this matter.

Okay. That makes sense. I can see the Chair is in. Chair, would you like to comment on that? Proceed, Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock?

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I would like to inform Hon. Manduku what happened yesterday. I made a statement to the House on the inquiry we have started into the pricing of tea. We are trying to find out why tea is better paid for in the East of the Rift Valley than in the West of the Rift Valley. In this inquiry, in his wisdom, the Hon. Speaker asked interested Members from the tea-growing areas in th…

It is possible for you, Hon. Manduku, to join. The Speaker has already given an opportunity to several Members, especially those from that region. There is no problem; you can write to the Chair and join the team if you want to do so.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Since Hon. Manduku was not in Bunge yesterday, I was chosen to represent the larger Kisii

and Nyamira area. So, even if he submits his name, it has been overtaken by events. Let him trust that Mama Donya, the woman representative for Hon. Manduku, will do an able job. I will definitely keep him updated on our progress at any time.

[(Laughter)]

Actually, Hon. Manduku did

Hon. Temporary Speaker, whilst I acknowledge the Women Representative’s sentiments, I want to confirm that she does not own a single bush of tea.

[(Laughter)]

Hon. Members, this is a House of debate. Therefore, we encourage Members to ventilate on important topical matters. However,… No, Hon. Members. We have very important business to transact, and certain Members are waiting to make their requests for Statements. The Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock has already agreed that Hon. Manduku will join the Committee as …

[(Hon. Dorice Donya spoke off the record)]

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Hon. Kagombe, is something out of order? Do you have your card today?

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I have just arrived. I am just seeking clarification on whether the extension sought by the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock involves Members from the East of the Rift. The Members who were enjoined in the ruling given yesterday were specifically from the West of the Rift. Since the dichotomy that has been presented includes both the Ea…

Hon. Members, the Speaker handled this matter yesterday. Write to the Chairperson if you would like to join the Committee.

You are free to join the Committee as a Member of Parliament, but in terms of who goes in and out, the Speaker closed that matter yesterday. Next will be Hon. Gabriel Kagombe, the Member for Gatundu South.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations regarding the compensation of ex-service officers of the Kenya Air Force. Messrs. David Gitau Njau and L.R. Ngure were commissioned officers serving in the Kenya Air Force at the time of th…

Is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations in? What about the Vice-Chairperson or a Member of that Committee? Hon. Yusuf, when can we get a response to this request?

[(Hon. Yusuf Hassan raised his hand)]

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I have two Statements and a response on behalf of the Chairperson of the Committee.

When is the Member for Gatundu likely to get a response to the Statement that he has raised?

Within the standard two-week period.

Two weeks is good enough.

Okay.

Hon. Members, the next Request for Statement is by Hon. Joyce Kamene.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock regarding the closure of Bumula Weighbridge in Nandingwa area by the Kenya Sugar Board. The abrupt closure of the Bumula Weighbridge in Nandingwa area has raised serious concerns amongst sugarcane farmers in…

Thank you very much, Hon. Wamboka. Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock, Hon. Mutunga, when are we going to get a response?

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. We cannot do it on Tuesday. We will be able to respond after two weeks.

Two weeks. Hon. Babu Owino, you may proceed with your Request for a Statement.

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request a Statement from the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations regarding the circumstances surrounding the death of Mr John Ogutu of ID No.28628412, in the United Republic of Tanzania. Reports indicate that Mr Ogutu, a Kenyan teacher working at Sky Primary School in Kinondoni, Dar…

Thank you very much, Hon. Babu Owino. Where is the Chairman? In the absence of the Chairman, the Vice-Chairman or any member of the Committee can make an undertaking. Yes, Hon. Yusuf.

Given the urgency and importance of the Request for Statement, we will try to deliver it in a week.

Thank you very much. Next are Responses to Requests for Statements. We will start with a response from the Ministry of Administration and Internal Security to a request by Hon. Mark Mwenje, whom I see in the House. Please, proceed, Hon. Vice-Chairman.

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. The Member for Embakasi West, Hon. Mark Mwenje, raised concerns about insecurity in Nairobi County. The Member particularly sought a report on investigations into the murders of Mr Matthew Kyalo Mbobu, who was shot and killed on 9th September 2025 in a drive-by attack in Karen, and Mr Joshua Kubiti, who was attacked by a criminal gang in Umoja Estate on…

aged 15 years old, had been attacked by fellow youths and was in critical condition at home. She immediately rushed to her House and thereafter took the injured son to Radiant Hospital, where he was pronounced dead on arrival. The body was transferred to Mama Lucy Kibaki Hospital Mortuary. The Post-mortem examination was conducted on 28th August 2025 by Mr Muturi, a pathologist, who opined that t…

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Hon. Peter Salasya, Member for Mumias East, what is out order? You have an intervention.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I am requesting that you hurry up so we can discuss Electronic Government Procurement (EGP) , as we have lost a lot of time.

You are out of order. Proceed, Hon. Chairman.

This is a very exciting gentleman. He has been missing for a while. Hon. Temporary Speaker, on the issue of Joshua Kubiti, preliminary investigations established that the death resulted from a fight between groups of young boys aged between 12 and 19 years, most of whom are school-going children who regroup during holidays and engage in physical confrontations. These youths had formed rival gangs…

Hon. Chairman, is it possible to summarise, because Hon. Mwenje has the complete response? You can paraphrase the remaining part.

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I will try to summarise. What is the Ministry doing to address the surge in criminal gangs in Nairobi? They have carried out targeted operations, increased police visibility, and revitalised community policing in partnership with other stakeholders, such as NGOs, religious organisations, and the county government. They have initiated rehabilitation pro…

Thank you very much, Hon. Dido. Hon. Mwenje.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I thank the Hon. Member for the response, especially the first two. I will be waiting for further feedback after the investigations are concluded. The only thing I would like the Hon. Member to take back to the Committee is that, in Nairobi, new sub-counties have not been given motor vehicles. There are police stations in Nairobi that have not been operationalis…

Generally, you are saying that you are satisfied apart from those general issues concerning the new sub-counties and the vehicles. You seem to be aware of the challenges. Let us move to the next. The next response is from the same Committee, to Hon. Catherine Omanyo, Member for Busia County. Hon. Vice-Chairman, do you have a response to Hon. Catherine Omanyo from Administration and Internal Secur…

Thank you very much.

Let us agree that since Hon. Catherine is in the House and she has read the response, you can try to summarise.

Thank you, Temporary Speaker. I am well guided. The Member for Busia County, Hon. Catherine Omanyo, requested to be apprised of the status of operationalisation of administrative units in Busia sub-county. She particularly sought to be informed of the status of operationalisation, the reasons for any delay in operationalisation, and the measures being taken to operationalise. Busia sub-county has…

Thank you very much, Hon. Chairman. Hon. Catherine.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Service delivery to any Kenyan is a right; we do not request it. I ask the Hon. Chairman and the Ministry to commit to prioritising Busia sub-county in the next Supplementary Budget. This is because we want service delivery to reach our people, just as it does for any other Kenyan. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

I would like to defend the Chairman. Hon. Chairman, I do not know whether you can put yourself in that position to identify one county and make a commitment to Hon. Catherine Omanyo. I will come to you, Professor. Hon. Chairman, please refrain from making that comment; if you wish to proceed, you may do so.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I believe that in this Chamber, each Hon. Member is awaiting a location, sub-location, or sub-county that has been gazetted for operationalisation. The bottom line is that the Ministry does not have enough funds. To be fair to everyone, once the Committee receives funds, we will ensure that the allocation is staggered so that the spread reflects the face of the c…

Hon. Catherine.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, our issue in Busia County is different because we are a border town, and the security issues are just too much. We cannot handle them. We need chiefs and assistant chiefs to be motivated or supported so that their work is easier. We are not requesting too much. We are not baggage. For us to live in our country, feel safe, and work in places where we know security supports o…

Hon. Oundo, please proceed.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I empathise with the Vice-Chair for the Statement and being a conveyor belt. I want to bring to his attention, and I hope he is listening, an idea that they can explore at the Committee's level, as well as with the responsible accounting officers and the Cabinet Secretary. For example, in Samia District Sub-County, they gazetted about three locations, a division …

Even with those 10,000 police officers….

Yes, 10,000 police officers and 24,000 teachers will be hired.

The ratio of police officers to the population is still much lower than the United Nations (UN) standards. We are unlikely to reach a point where you can rely solely on police officers for security operations. Can you consider? We want personnel.

You have made your point.

This is where to work from and how to get moving. The community, feeling the pinch of insecurity, will step in and do the job. It is as simple as that. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Hon. Members, the Chairman made a very fair Statement that this matter would be handled. Since it cuts across almost all

counties of this country, he has given a very strong Statement that it would be handled. I would like us to end it at that. It is okay to debate and showcase the need in your counties. That has already been done. Hon. Members, I would like to move to the next Statement, which is a response to Hon. Chege Njuguna, Member for Kandara. He has been waiting. The same Committee, please paraphrase as you…

Do we have the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry and Mining? We do not have him in the House? I direct that this be placed on the Order Paper at an appropriate time in the future. Next Order.

The Leader of the Majority Party is not in the House. I also direct that this business be placed on the Order Paper at an appropriate time in the future.

The direction on this is the same as the direction on Order No. 12 because the Leader of the Majority Party is not in the House. I direct this be placed also on the Order Paper at a moment in the future when it can be moved by the Leader of the Majority Party in the House. Next Order.

I have been approached by the Chairperson of the Constitutional Implementation Oversight Committee to have this business prioritised on the Order Paper next week. I direct that it be accorded priority next week. Next Order.

The Chairperson of the Special Funds Accounts Committee is not in the House. I direct that this matter be placed on the Order Paper at a future date when the Chairperson will be present to move this Motion. Next Order.

I give the same direction as in Order No. 15, because it concerns the same Chairperson of the Special Funds Accounts Committee. I direct that this matter be placed on the Order Paper at a future date when the Chairperson will be available to move the Motion.

(Motion deferred) Next Order.

Since the Leader of the Majority Party is responsible for moving this Bill, I direct that this business be placed on the Order Paper at an appropriate date in the future when he is in the House to do so. Next Order.

My presumption is that the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Labour is not in the House. Under the circumstances, I also direct that this business be placed on the Order Paper at a future date. Next Order.

This business was supposed to be moved by the Chairperson of the Special Funds Accounts Committee, who is not in the House. In the same manner as the previous ones for that Committee, I direct that it be placed on the

Order Paper at an appropriate date in the future when the Chairperson will be available to move it. (Motion deferred) Next Order.

I give a similar direction as I have under Order No. 19. Order No. 20 is supposed to be moved by the Chairperson of the Special Funds Accounts Committee, who is not in the House. I direct that this business be placed on the Order Paper at an appropriate date in the future when the Chairperson will be available to move it. Next Order.

This business was to be moved by the Leader of the Majority Party, Hon. Ichung’wah Kimani, who is not in the House today. I direct that it be placed on the Order Paper at an appropriate date in the future when he will be in a position to move it.