National Assembly · Afternoon Sitting

Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order No.41 (4) relating to Messages from the Senate, I wish to report to the House that I have received a Message from the Senate on the approval of the appointment of a member of the Board of the Central Bank of Kenya. The Message conveys that by a resolution passed on Thursday, 7th August 2025, Joint Report of the National Assembly’s Departmental Committe…

Leader of the Majority Party.

[(Hon. Kimani Ichungw’ah spoke off the record)]

Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table:

Thank you. Chairman of the Committee on Delegated Legislation.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table: The Report of the Committee on Delegated Legislation on its consideration of the Affordable Housing Regulations, 2025 . Thank you.

[(Legal Notice No. 114 of 2025)]

Thank you. Next Order; Order No. 6.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 30 (3) (b) on Hours of Meeting, this House resolves to hold a morning sitting on Thursday, 14th August 2025, commencing at 10:00 a.m.

Thank you. You will move the Motion tomorrow morning. If you were ready, I would have given you an opportunity this afternoon. Chairperson of the Committee on Delegated Legislation. Hon. Samwel Chepkonga.

[(Hon. Samwel Chepkonga consulted with Hon. Kimani Ichungw’ah)]

Sorry, Hon. Speaker. I was concentrating on the Leader of Majority who was doing some consultation.

[(Hon. Kimani Ichungw’ah spoke off the record)]

[(Laughter)]

Members on their feet, take your seats. Hon. Members, I will now put the question. Next Order.

[(Question put and agreed to)]

I will now put the question. We will now go back to Order No. 7.

[(Question put and agreed to)]

Hon. Karemba Eric, Member for Runyenjes.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 42 (2) (c) , I rise to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Social Protection regarding non-payment of 67 beneficiaries under the Older Persons Cash Transfer Programme (OPCTP) in Runyenjes Constituency. The primary objective of the OPCTP is to improve livelihoods of poor households with …

That request goes to the Departmental Committee on Social Protection. Is Hon. Alice Ng’ang’a here? The Leader of the Majority Party will inform her to bring a response within the first week after recess. Nominated Member, Hon. Abubakar Talib.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Pursuant to Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and National Security regarding the mounting of roadblocks along public roads in the country. Section 69A of Traffic Act (Cap. 403) empowers the Inspector-General of Police, by notice in the Kenya Gazette, to designate a place alon…

non-designated place only in exceptional circumstances certified by the Inspector-General or his authorised officer. Whereas roadblocks are intended to enable security agencies to regulate the flow of traffic to enable response to security issues and enforcement of traffic rules, there have been complaints that police officers across the country take inordinately long to clear vehicles at roadblo…

Chairperson, Departmental Committee on Administration and National Security. Yes, Hon. Raso.

Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. We will respond to the request within the first week after recess.

Hon. Mumina Bonaya, Member for Isiolo County.

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security regarding insecurity in Isiolo Town. Hon. Speaker, Isiolo Town is on the brink of descending into chaos and the streets are flooded with seemingly unregistered firearms, while the Central Business District (CBD) is curre…

Thank you. Hon. Raso, when can you bring a response?

Hon. Speaker, considering the gravity of this matter, we will speak to the Ministry to give us a response as soon as possible. We will then call the Hon. Member so that within two weeks, we get a response to her request.

Within the Committee?

Yes.

Okay. Hon. Mumina, in two weeks you can appear before the Committee to get your preliminary response. Hon. Sabina Chege, Nominated Member of Parliament.

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order No.44 (2) (c) , I rise to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Trade, Industry and Cooperatives regarding a proposed mode of payment for coffee farmers in the country. Hon. Speaker, in August 2023, the Government implemented the Direct Settlement System (DSS) , mandating that payments be routed dir…

Thank you, Hon. Chege. Hon. Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Trade, Industry and Cooperatives. Who is the Chairman of the Committee? Hon. Shinali. Yes, Hon. Gichimu. Are you a Member of the Committee?

Yes, I am a member of the Committee. Hon. Speaker, owing to the urgency of the matter, I will pass the message to the Hon. Chairman so that he may be able to present the Statement once we resume from the short recess.

First week upon resumption. Hon. Onesmus Ngogoyo, Member for Kajiado North Constituency.

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order No.44 (2) (c) , I rise to request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure regarding delayed compensation by Kenya Railways for landowners affected by construction of the Standard Gauge Railway (SGR) line from Nairobi to Suswa. Hon. Speaker, the extension of the Standard Gauge Railway …

Thank you. The Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure, Hon. GK. Give him the microphone.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. We will avail the response one week after the recess.

Very well. Hon. Wanjiku Muhia, Member for Kipipiri.

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order No.44 (2) (c) , I rise to request for a statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure regarding the non-completion of the Gilgil Machinery Road in Kipipiri Constituency. Hon. Speaker, while the residents of Kipipiri appreciate the long-awaited progress on the Gilgil-Machinery Road initiated i…

Hon. GK.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I will give the answer one week after the recess.

So be it. Let us now move to responses. Is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Education in the House? Hon. Melly was here; where is he? This is on a response to a request by Hon. Joseph Gitari. Is he in the House? Hon. Mary Emaase, do you have the response to Hon. Joseph Gitari’s request? Go ahead. Who is responding?

[(Loud consultations)]

[(Loud consultations)]

Yes.

So, Hon. Emaase will give a response on the promotion of curriculum support?

Yes.

Start with Hon. Oron.

We stand guided, Hon. Speaker. I am giving a response to a Statement regarding the recognition of Madrasa Education System within the Kenya National Qualifications Framework sought by Hon. Abdul Haro, Member for Mandera South. Section 95 (2) of the Basic Education Act 2013 provides for the making of regulations for the integration of the Madrasa, Duksi and Pastoral programmes of instruction into …

Thank you, Hon. Phylis Bartoo. Hon. Abdul Haro, are you satisfied with the response? Let us know so we go to the next Statement. Give him the microphone.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I am satisfied with the response.

Thank you. Next, is the response to the statement for Hon. Joseph Gitari. This will be done by Hon. Mary Emaase, the Hon. Member for Teso South.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. This is a response to request for Statement by Hon. Joseph Gitari on the promotion of curriculum support officers in the country. In 1963, the Government established the Teachers Advisory Centers (TACs) with the mandate to provide in-service courses to among others offer aid in developing curriculum and using new instructional materials. The centers were manned by TAC tut…

promoted 804 curriculum support officers in the Financial Year 2023/2024 and during the Financial Year 2024/2025 has promoted 25,252 teachers. Hon. Speaker, to ensure that that stagnation is addressed, the Commission continuously engages the National Assembly for budget allocation, for promotion to ensure full implementation of the career progression guidelines in the teaching service. The next …

Hon. Mary Emaase, how much more do you have to go?

Half a page, Hon. Speaker.

Okay.

Applicants who have higher performance appraisal scores receive higher overall scores in the promotion evaluation. This criterion aims to ensure that applicants who consistently excel, receive appropriate recognition and rewards for their efforts. Next is the level of experience. Applicants aged 55 years and above scored higher compared to those in the younger age brackets. A tiered approach is e…

Hon. Gitari.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. As per the response, the TSC is keen on career progression for Civil Society Organisations (CSOs) . Could we be informed why the TSC excluded CSOs from the Senior School Career Progression

Guidelines and CBE Literacy, and whether it has put in place any remedy on career progression?

Hon. Mary Emaase, do you have the competence to answer those questions?

Hon. Speaker, I will not answer those questions now. I will take the questions to the Committee, and then we will seek further clarifications.

Hon. Gitari, you can prosecute your supplementary questions before the Committee, so that they can give you satisfactory responses.

Well guided, Hon. Speaker.

The Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure is expected to respond to a request for a Statement by Hon. Patrick Munene. Is he in the House? He is not. Hon. GK, we will skip that response for now. Hon. John Kaguchia. Order! That kamukunji should be disbanded. Hon. GK, since Hon. Patrick Munene is not here, we will defer that response to the request for a Statement. I will give you a…

[(Several Members consulted loudly)]

Hon. Members, I was requested by Hon. Dawood of North Imenti, on behalf of the Committee, that we step down this Order as they are not ready. We can put it up for Tuesday morning. Next Order.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I beg to move: THAT, Clause 2 of the Bill be amended by: -

Hon. Temporary Chairman, even though I am fully aware that the proposed reservations by the President would carry the day by a simple majority, it is important to note the implications to the right to property under Article 40 of the Constitution and the potential abuse this could have for people who already enjoy proprietary rights, especially those with freehold titles. This would also impact th…

[(Hon. David Ochieng’)]

[(Hon. Protus Akujah spoke off the record)]

[(Question, that the words to be left out be left out, put and agreed to)]

[(Question, that the words to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to)]

[(Question, that the words to be inserted be inserted, put and agreed to)]

[(Clause 2 as further amended agreed to)]

[(Hon. David Ochieng’)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I beg to move: THAT, Clause 3 of the Bill be amended by-

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move that the Committee do report to the House its consideration--- The Temporary Chairman : Order! Hon. Baya, are you not the Mover of this Bill? Hon. Nyamoko is just the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Lands. This Bill was moved by you, was it not?

[(Hon. David Ochieng’)]

Yes, it was. The Temporary Chairman : This is your opportunity to move for reporting.

[(Hon. David Ochieng’)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I beg to move that the Committee do report to the House its consideration of the President’s reservations to the National Land Commission (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 43 of 2023) , and its approval thereof without amendments. Hon. Temporary Chairman, while we know our limitations as Parliament when dealing with presidential reservations, we resp…

[(Hon. David Ochieng’)]

Please, grant me some latitude. Okay, I beg to move that the House reports its consideration of the President’s Reservations to the National Land Commission (Amendment) Bill and its approval thereof without amendment.

[(The House resumed)]

I thank you. This is my very last point. We must also look at the constitutionality of this in respect of what you call the retrospective or retroactive application of the law. How do you pass a law today to take back the rights that have been accrued 20 to 30 years ago?

Fair enough. Hon. Caroli.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. This is not a new clause. It was there before. The reason it was there was to deal with the illegal disposition of public land that had occurred before the promulgation of the Constitution of Kenya, 2010. What we are trying to do is to give it another five years to exist. The problem is that the sunset clause was introduced so that there can be certainty of legal…

Hon. Temporary Speaker, we need to be very clear that it cannot go ad infinitum. At some point, this provision has to be exited so that there is certainty. If you have not claimed that your rights were violated for a hundred years, surely, what have you been doing? Sleeping on your rights? That is what I wanted to correct.

Fair enough. Maybe this window of correcting was not there before. It is only there now. Anyway, let us listen to the Member for Emurua Dikirr. You only enjoy a right when you get the window.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I also want to weigh in on this matter. As legislators, the law allows this House to do all the legislation. Whenever there is a memorandum sent by the President to this House, it means it was a failure on our part to ensure that we pass a law that is compatible with almost everybody. I urge the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Lands to allow us to impl…

Conclude.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, most of the issues that we have been having, like clashes and conflicts, are because of land. Let us sit as a House and clear those matters so that we are above them.

Hon. Katana.

Asante, Mhe. Spika wa Muda. Hiki Kipengele ambacho tunarekibisha kilikuwepo, lakini twataka kukipatia nguvu zaidi. Kumekuwa na dhuluma za kistoria za mashamba, hususan kaatika eneo la Pwani. Mashamba ya watu wengi yamekuwa yakichukuliwa bila wao kujua. Sasa, Tume hii ya kitaifa ya mashamba, imepatiwa nguvu tena ya miaka mitano kuchunguzu zile dhuluma za mashamba ambazo zimefanyika miaka mingi iliy…

Let us listen to Mhe. (Dr.) Nyikal. We will then have the very last one; the Member for Isiolo South.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. This is not in reference to what Hon. Oluoch said, which is also a fact. This is a double-edged sword in the hands of the NLC. Whereas it is quite acceptable, and I agree that where there were historical injustices, there should be an opportunity to review, this also presents an opportunity for abuse. Where land has been owned and the proprietary rights have been…

THAT, this House adopts the Fifth Report of the Public Investments

I understand that the Chairperson of the Public Investment Committee on Social Services, Administration and Agriculture has communicated to the Clerks-at-the Table that this matter be deferred to an appropriate date in the future, when he will be in a position to prosecute it. Next Order.

Hon. Aden Mohamed. Has it been moved? The information I have is that it has not been moved for Second Reading. The Bill has to be deferred to an appropriate date when Hon. Aden Mohammed will be in a position to move Second Reading. Hon. Members, before we go to Order No.14, I want to recognise the presence of very important guests seated in the Public Gallery. They are students of Ucweni Primary S…

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. On my behalf and that of the leadership, I welcome the students from Tharaka Nithi to the Chamber of the National Assembly, these hallowed grounds and the august House.

They are seated in the Public Gallery. Face this side.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, Tharaka Nithi reminds us of interesting things. It has given us the Deputy President of the Republic of Kenya. I encourage the children, just like our Deputy President, Prof. Kithure Kindiki, who sat in this House, to look forward to coming to this Chamber one day. Work hard in your studies, play

smart and become very successful people after high school. The beauty of Tharaka Nithi is that it always gives us the last election results, which help us win the elections and eventually form the Government. Therefore, the people of Tharaka Nithi people are special. You are most welcome to this House.

I also recognise the presence of students of Gaciongo Junior Secondary School from Tharaka Constituency, Tharaka Nithi County. Today is a day for Tharaka Nithi. Also recognised are students of Michegethiu Primary Junior Secondary School from Mbeere North Constituency, Embu County; and, Cengalo- Chereber School from Kesses Constituency, Uasin Gishu County. I am looking for a lady to give a word of…

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I take this opportunity to welcome all the students in the Speaker’s and Public Galleries to this august House. Everything is possible. Work hard. Success is very intentional. Everything you do today in school and at home is going to reflect the future of your life. As you go back to school, make sure that you always give it your best. Welcome and enjoy…

Finally, in the Speaker's Gallery - hopefully, one of the Speakers in the future will come from the students who are seated there - are students of Eldoret Achievers School from Kapseret Constituency in Uasin Gishu County. Can you applaud them? Do you know how to applaud in Parliament?

[(Applause)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. On behalf of my colleagues, I congratulate the students who are in the Speaker's and the Public Galleries from different schools in different counties. Welcome to the National Assembly. This is where laws are made, among other key functions. Welcome and feel great because you are the future, and that future is now. You can always follow these proceedings and lear…

Fair enough. We wish you a safe trip back. I congratulate you, on behalf of the House. Next Order.

Proceed, Hon. Aden Daudi. Move the Bill. You must be well-versed with your Bill. Being a learned friend, I assume you are well- prepared and knowledgeable about your Bill.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

First, apologise for coming late.

I apologise.

Proceed.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the Computer Misuse and Cybercrimes (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 41 of

Who is your seconder?

I ask Hon. Baya to second the Bill.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, it is my pleasure to second the Hon. Aden Mohammed in the Computer Misuse and Cybercrime (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 41 of 2024) . I thank Hon. Mohammed Aden for taking his time to bring a Bill to the House of Parliament. Not very many Members have done this, both in the 12th and the 13th Parliament. Most of them bring Motions. Drafting a Bill shows us the …

People die because of religious inclinations that are dangerous. This Bill as drafted by Hon. Aden seeks to prohibit the use of electronic media to promote extreme religious practices. It is very fundamental. What goes into social media can either strengthen the stability of a country or destroy it, and that is why this Bill is very important. Hon. Temporary Speaker, Clause 3 of this Bill seeks t…