Senate · Afternoon Sitting

Clerk, do we have quorum? Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. Order, hon. Senators, we now have quorum. Senator for Kisumu, kindly take your seat. Clerk, you may call the first Order.

[(The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Speaker)]

[(The Quorum Bell was rung)]

[(Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda, SC walked into the Chamber)]

[(Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda, SC sat in his place)]

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table o the Senate, today, Thursday, 2nd October, 2025-

Annual report of the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC) for Financial Year ending 30th June, 2025.

Proceed, Chairperson, Standing Committee on Health. I thought I saw Sen. Mandago in the House. Any Member of the Committee on Health? Sen. Onyonka, you may proceed. Hon. Senators, you want to toss a coin or what?

[(Sen. Onyonka and Sen. Wafula approached the Dispatch Box)]

[(Loud consultations)]

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. On behalf of the Chairperson, Standing Committee on Health, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table o the Senate, today, 2nd October, 2025- Report of the Standing Committee on Health on the County Oversight and Networking Engagements to Mandera, Wajir and Marsabit Counties.

[(Sen. Wafula laid the document on the Table)]

Next Order.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to give notice of the following Motion- THAT the Senate adopts the report of the Standing Committee on Health regarding the county oversight and networking engagements to Mandera, Wajir and Marsabit Counties laid on the Table of the Senate on Thursday 2nd October, 2025.

Next Order.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a statement from the Standing Committee on Land, Environment and Natural Resources on a county-wide matter concerning the humanitarian and environmental crisis affecting the residents of Kehoto Informal Settlement, Naivasha Sub-County, Nakuru County, as a result of the rising waters of Lake Naivasha. Mr. Speaker, Sir, over 3,00…

The Senator from Nyandarua County, Hon. John Methu.

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Sir. /I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a statement from the Standing Committee on National Security, Defence and Foreign Relations on a matter of national concern regarding the death of Mr. Simon Warui, aged 26, while in police custody in Central Police Station in Mombasa. Mr. Speaker, Sir, Mr. Warui was reported missing on Sunday, 14th Septemb…

The Senator for Kiambu County, Hon. Karungo Thang’wa. That statement is dropped.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I have four statements, and I request to read all of them together. Si mnaenda Busia au?

initial construction and has shown no progress for years. Despite its prominence, recent development plans under CIDP 2018 to 2022 and 2023 to 2027 reflect no meaningful allocations or updates. In the Statement, the Committee should address the following-

Sen. Madzayo, proceed.

Statement pursuant to Standing Order No.57 (1) , the Senate Majority Leader, proceed.

Apologies, Mr. Speaker, Sir. This is a Statement pursuant to Standing Order No.57 (1) to present the business of the House for the week that commences Tuesday, 7th October, 2025, when the House will be sitting in Busia County. I hope Sen. Andrew has prepared the chicken that he promised us last week. Colleagues, as you are aware, in line with the resolution that this House passed on the 29th July…

Mr. Speaker, Sir, you will recall that in the previous Senate Mashinani programmes, with the exception of Turkana, for obvious reasons, we always invited the county assemblies from the nearby counties as well, to come and participate in our programmes. When we were in Kitui, for example - that is why I was confusing it with Makueni - we had interactions with Members of the County Assembly (MCAs) f…

(Dr.) Murango, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, Sen. (Prof.) Tom Odhiambo Ojienda, Sen. Maanzo, Sen. Sifuna, Sen. Shakila, Sen. Mumma and a whole host of Senators. The afternoon sitting on 8th October, 2025 will include whatever business that we will not have concluded at that time, including various Bills, some that are extremely important such as-

Let us now go to Statements pursuant to Standing Order No.56 (1) (b) . The first one is the Statement by the Chairperson of the Select Committee on County Public Investments and Special Funds. If he is not here, we can have any Member of that committee. Proceed, Sen. Kisang.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.56 (1) (b) to make a Statement on the activities of the County Public Investments and Special Funds Committee for the period commencing 1st May, 2025, to 30th August, 2025. During the period under review, the Committee held a total of 31 sittings within and outside the precincts of Parliament to consider matters within its mandate. The meetin…

During interactions with the counties, the Committee observed numerous crosscutting issues impacting negatively on the operations of various entities-

Chairperson, Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, you may proceed. Sen. Maanzo, you may proceed as a member.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I will do this on behalf of the Chairman of the Committee of Delegated Legislation, the Hon. Sen. Gataya Mo Fire. Mr. Speaker, Sir, during the period under review, the Committee on Delegated Legislation held a total of 23 sittings, conducted post-publication scrutiny of eight statutory instruments, held one county visit and one parliamentary diplomacy engagement. On …

Now, before I allow comments on the statements that have been sought, allow me to make this Communication.

[(Interruption of Statements)]

1st May, 2025 to 1st August, 2025 to the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget for consideration. I thank you. (The Report was committed to the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget)

Hon. Speaker, Sir, allow me with great sadness to contribute to the statement that has been sought by Sen. Methu regarding the death, once again, of a young Kenyan in police custody, that of Mr. Simon Warui. People say all sorts of things when I bring up these matters. A few months ago, after the incident that involved the late Mr. Albert Ojwang which was in June, I expressed great frustration th…

when we are on the ground. Instead of asking those questions, he allows us to walk across the cassava processing plant and see for ourselves or walk into the stadium. As I have said, Senate Mashinani is one of the most innovative programmes by this House. It is unfortunate that last year we were unable to do it. However, I am proud and happy that we are able to do it this year in order to sit with…

Senator for Nandi County.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I wish to express my profound and deepest condolences to the family of Mr. Simon Warui. When I saw his spouse speaking to the media, it was heartbreaking. It must be noted that these are not mere statistics, they are human lives. I join my colleagues in condemning this heinous murder against innocent young Kenyans. I have been a regular guest of the cells in various l…

This issue is becoming a cancer in our country. We must confront it. We need a bipartisan approach. No one is safe anymore. I agree with Sen. Sifuna. When they came for the Jews, I did not speak. When they came for the communists, I did not speak. When they come for me, no one will speak for me. That is where we are headed. We must confront this monster. Mr. Speaker, Sir, we need to install CCTV …

Sen. Maanzo.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise to support the statement by Sen. Methu. Just a few days after the incident at Central Police Station, we witnessed a similar case in Mombasa. I am certain that there are many other unreported incidents from different parts of the country. We had a recent case in Makueni. Just a week ago, we buried a young man. Three weeks earlier, he had gone to watch football …

family searched through city morgues, hospitals and police stations. Eventually, he was found at the City Mortuary. The report stated that he had died in a motor accident. However, he had called his brother and said he had been arrested. This raises serious questions. Mr. Speaker, Sir, kidnappings and disappearances are still happening. This is despite the Government’s current efforts to compensa…

Sen. Veronica Maina.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity. I want to comment on the statements that have been brought to the House by our colleagues, specifically the statement on Mr. Warui. It is my hope that this case will be resolved, investigated and facts made aware to the public. Hon. Speaker, right now we have too many deaths and I want to single out deaths that are happening to many women across t…

Hon. Speaker, allow me in one minute, to comment about the Busia events, Senate Mashinani in Busia. We want to tell the people of Busia County, Senate is coming to Busia and it will be a robust programme. We are involving the community, not just the chamber or the county government. We are coming in, we will speak to your girls, boys, community leaders and this will involve the male and female Sen…

Mheshimiwa Spika ningependa kuongeza kauli yangu juu ya maombi ya taarifa ya Sen. Methu kuhusiana na mauaji ya kikatili katika police station zetu. Kwanza, najiunga na Maseneta wenzangu ambao wamechangia maombi haya na vile pia kusema kwamba katika muhula uliopita wa Seneti, katika Kamati ya Haki na Sheria, tulizunguka karibu kaunti sita kuchunguza masuala ya mauaji ya kiholela ya polisi.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I also wish to support the statement by Sen. Methu on the demise of Warui in a police cell. This is not a new phenomenon. For the past few months, we were very emotional here when we were discussing the issue of the late Albert Ojwang. Now we have Warui and two days ago we had a young man also who died under police custody in Isebania. I feel like the youth are under …

the moment emotions are high. They issue very quick statements to cool off temperatures and then it goes silent. We cannot watch when young people, who are the future of this country, continue to be murdered and killed whereas these are the people we are looking up to, to raise families, be leaders and fend for themselves. Unfortunately, they are dying while we watch and say nothing. So, I am rea…

Next Order.

Deputy County Governors, laid on the Table of the Senate on Thursday, 25th September, 2025. (Sen. Abass on 1.10.2025 - Afternoon Sitting) (Resumption of debate interrupted on 1.10.2025 - Afternoon Sitting)

The Mover is Sen. Abbas. Is he present? Yes, Sen. Kisang, what is your intervention?

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. You remember yesterday, I seconded this particular Motion and Sen. Abass---

Yes, but you are not the Mover of this Motion, so you cannot reply. Okay, kindly take your seat.

Okay, I thought I spoke to you.

So, we shall move to putting of the question. Clerk, kindly confirm that we have the requisite number of Senators in the House. We shall defer putting of the Question. Next Order. Orders No.10, 11, 12, 13 and 14 are up for Division. We do not have the requisite delegations. Therefore, we shall defer those Orders.

[(Putting of the Question on the Motion deferred)]

We will now move to Order No.15. Clerk, kindly proceed to call that Order.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered the Cooperatives Bill (National Assembly Bills No.7 of 2024) and seeks leave to sit again tomorrow.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee on the said report.

Who is seconding?

I second.

[(Question proposed)]

[(Question put and agreed to)]

Sen. Veronica Maina, please, approach the Chair.

[(Sen. Veronica Maina consulted the Temporary Speaker (Sen. Mumma)]

Hon. Senators, Order No.16 and 17 had earlier been called and after consultations, it has been agreed that they be deferred to the next sitting.

I see Sen. Mwaruma is not present, so, the Order is deferred.

Next Order

Sen. Lenku Seki is not present, so, the Order is deferred.

I see Sen. Kathuri Murungi is not present and so, that Order is deferred.

I see Sen. Karungo Thang’wa is not present. So, the Order is deferred.

I see Sen. Fatuma Dullo is not present. So, the Order is deferred.

living in major cities like Nairobi, Mombasa and Kisumu where the cost of living is too high; NOW THEREFORE the Senate resolves that the Cabinet Secretary for Public Service and Human Capital Development in consultation with the Public Service Commission reviews the Guidelines to the Public Service Internship Programme of October, 2019 with a view to: -

I see that Sen. Cherarkey is not present. So, this Order is deferred.

Is the Chairperson of the Senate Liaison Committee, present. I do not see the Senator; so, the Order is deferred.

National Police Service officers in order to enable the Service discharge its mandate efficiently and effectively; COGNIZANT THAT the Bill of Rights provides for protection of human rights, prevention of abuse and upholding of the rule of law within detention facilities and police stations; CONCERNED THAT there has been increasing reports of human rights violations, abuse, unexplained injuries, …

I note that Sen. Nyamu is not present and so, the Order is deferred.

rights and welfare of all citizens, particularly women, girls and other marginalized groups; CONCERNED THAT the integration of gender considerations remain inconsistent across the two levels of government and that legislative processes have often resulted to policies that do not adequately address gender-specific needs and realities; NOW THEREFORE, the Senate: a) urges Parliament, County Assembl…

On consultation with the mover of this Motion, it has been requested that it be deferred.

Africa-centric, development-focused approach to AI, promoting ethical, responsible, and equitable practices; COGNIZANT THAT the Continental AI Strategy calls for unified national approaches among AU Member States to navigate the opportunities of AI-driven change, aiming to strengthen regional and global cooperation and position Africa as a leader in inclusive and responsible AI development; APP…

I do not see Sen. Thang’wa. He is not present, so, the Order is deferred.