Senate · Afternoon Sitting

Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. Hon. Senators, let us settle down for business. It has been confirmed that we have quorum.

[(The Quorum Bell was rung)]

[(Loud consultations)]

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. On behalf of the Chairperson of the Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the Senate, today, 7th August 2025- Report of the Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations on its consideration of the County Governments Laws (Amendment) Bill, (Senate Bills No.52 of 2024) . I la…

[(Sen. Thang’wa laid the document on the Table)]

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the Senate, today, 7th August, 2025- Report of the Third Commonwealth Parliamentarians with Disability African Region Conference held in Lusaka, Zambia from 24th to 28th February 2025.

[(Sen. Mbugua laid the document on the Table)]

Very well. Proceed Chairperson, Committee on National Security, Defence and Foreign Relations.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that this House adopts---

You can table from here.

[(Sen. Dullo proceeded to the Dispatch Box)]

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the Senate, today, 7th August 2025- Report of the Standing Committee on National Security, Defence and Foreign Relations on the Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substance (Control) Amendment Bill, (Senate Bills No.1 of 2024) .

[(Sen. Dullo laid the document on the Table)]

Okay, next Order. Sen. George Mbugua, give notice of the Motion.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to give notice of the following Motion- THAT the Senate notes the report of the Third Commonwealth Parliamentarians with Disability African Region Conference held in Lusaka, Zambia from 24th to 28th February 2025 laid on the table of the Senate on 7th August 2025. Thank you.

[(Sen. Oketch Gicheru consulted loudly)]

Order, Sen. Oketch. Sen. Eddy, you know you are almost the age of my son. So, you should respect your father. Hon. Senators, I have two Communications to make before we move on to Statements. One is on visiting teachers and students from Nyali Comprehensive School in Mombasa County.

Asante Bw. Naibu Spika kwa kunipa fursa hii kujiunga nawe kuwakaribisha walimu na wanafunzi wa Nyali Comprehensive School ambayo ni moja ya shule ambazo zinang’ara katika mitihani ya Kitaifa katika Kaunti yetu ya Mombasa. Wanafunzi wake pia wananidhamu ya hali ya juu. Kwa hivyo, ni matumaini yetu kwamba katika ziara yao ya leo, watasoma na kuangalia kazi ambazo Wabunge na Maseneta wanafanya. Kwa …

Asante Seneta wa Mombasa. Nimepata ripoti ya kwamba Sen. Cyrstal Asige alisomea shule hii. Kwa hivyo, pia nampa fursa ya muda wa dakika mbili aweze kuwakaribisha wanafunzi na walimu wa Nyali Comprehensive School.

Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I appreciate the opportunity to say hello and a big warm welcome to my old school, Nyali School in Mombasa County. I welcome them to the Senate. I was with them a few weeks ago when I was at home in Nyali. I am so happy to see that they have come and made the trip all the way to Nairobi, so that they can see their Senator, as well as myself, who is a …

[(Applause)]

Very well, Sen. Crystal Asige. Hon. Senators, I also have a Message from the National Assembly on the passage of the County Allocation of Revenue Bill (Senate Bills No.9 of 2025) .

[(Loud consultations)]

Hon. Senators, I wish to report to the Senate that pursuant to Standing Order No.46 (3) and (4) of the Senate Standing Orders, I received the following Message from the Speaker of the National Assembly regarding the passage, by the National Assembly, of the County Allocation of Revenue Bill, (Senate

Bills No.9 of 2025). The Message dated Thursday, 7th August, 2025, was received in the Office of the Clerk of the Senate on the same date. Pursuant to the said Standing Order, I now report the Message. “Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order No.41(1) and No.144 of the National Assembly Standing Orders, I hereby convey the following Message from the National Assembly- WHEREAS, the County Al…

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.52 (1) to make a Statement on a matter of county-wide concern regarding the needless death of baby Nareo Lakalja and the shameful state of healthcare in Samburu County. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise with a heavy heart and deeply wounded spirit to speak on a matter that has shaken me to the core, not just as a Senator, but as a father…

proper diagnosis was made, no decisive action was taken and no sense of urgency was shown by the healthcare workers. Her condition worsened, and on the first day, doctors claimed a Computed Tomography (CT) scan was urgently needed, but shamefully, the machine was not functioning. The family had to travel to Nyahururu Pearl Hospital using their own meagre means. After they returned with the scan r…

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I take this opportunity to urge you to call for a full inquiry into the operations of Samburu County Hospital and the county's overall health budget implementation through the Senate Standing Committee on Health. Let the truth come out. Let the rot be exposed. Let the responsible be named, shamed and held accountable. This is not the time for soft language. It is time for …

Very well, Senator for Samburu County. We have other several Statements under Standing Order No.53 (1) . We will start with Sen. Karungo Thang’wa.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, thank you very much for the opportunity to request for a Statement. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Health on a matter of countywide concern on the ongoing strike by doctors employed by the County Government of Kiambu, which commenced on 27th May, 2025, following a 21-day strike notice issued on 5th May, 2025.…

Proceed, Sen. Tabitha Keroche.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Health on a matter of countywide concern on the failure of the Social Health Authority (SHA) programme to function effectively in Nakuru County. Residents of Nakuru County have expressed deep concern over the perceived failure of the SHA programme. The failure stems not from wea…

Very well. Proceed, Sen. Crystal Asige.

Thank you so much, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) , to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Labour and Social Welfare on Kenya's participation in the 25th Summer

Deaflympics this November in Tokyo, with specific concern over alleged mismanagement in its planning and execution. In the Statement, the Committee should-

Sen. William Kisang, proceed. Let us have Sen. Fatuma Dullo as you are still preparing. Sen. Kisang, are you ready now? Okay, proceed.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations on a matter of countywide concern regarding the contracting of the Institute of Human Resource Management (IHRM) to undertake a human resource audit in Elgeyo- Marakwet County. In 2023, the County Executive of Elgeyo-Marakwet contracted…

Sen. Hezena Lemaletian, proceed. Sen. Dullo, are you ready now? Sen. Lemaletian, sorry. Please, give your elder sister time to read her statement first.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Senate Standing Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights regarding investigations by the Directorate of Criminal Investigations (DCI) into forging of County Assembly documents that may be used to facilitate illegal processes, including the alleged involvement of the Clerk of the County Ass…

Fair enough. Sen. Hezena, you may now proceed.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) , to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Land, Environment and Natural Resources on a matter of national concern regarding resolution of historical land injustices in Kenya, particularly in the marginalised regions. While the National Land Commission (NLC) was mandated to investigate and recommend appropriate redres…

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations on a matter of national concern regarding the distribution of national Government projects across all counties. In the Statement, the committee should address the following-

Fair enough. Sen. Godfrey Osotsi, proceed.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations on a matter of countywide concerns regarding expenditure of Equitable Sharable Revenue and County Government Additional Allocations allocated to Vihiga County. In the Financial Year (FY) 2025/2026, Vihiga County is set to receive an add…

Fair enough. Sen. Betty Montet, proceed.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.52 (1) to make a Statement on a matter of general topical concern namely, the Cabinet ratification of the transfer of Amboseli National Park to the County Government of Kajiado, fulfilling a presidential directive following a petition by the great people of Kajiado County. On behalf of the leaders and the people of Kajiado County, I wi…

growing human-wildlife conflict, driven by population growth and increased livestock farming, which has intensified competition for land and water. Additionally, subdivision of communal land for agriculture and settlement has disrupted key wildlife migration corridors. The Region’s vulnerability to prolonged drought further escalates resource scarcity, leading to wildlife deaths and increased ten…

I felt that is much of a Statement under Standing Order No.52 (1) . I did not hear what you want either the county government or the national government to do. Sen. Wakoli, please, proceed.

Thank you Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order 53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Health on a matter of national concern regarding the delay by the defunct National Hospital Insurance Fund (NHIF) scheme and its successor, the Social Health Authority (SHA) , to settle claims under the National Youth Service (NYS) insurance scheme. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Si…

Service enhanced group life, last experience, work injury benefits and group personnel accident insurance scheme in the last four years. The National Treasury recently disbursed Kshs1,485,000,000 to SHA to facilitate part settlement of the claims. However, SHA is yet to release these funds. In the Statement, the Committee should address the following-

Last but not the least, my neighbour Sen. Gataya Mo Fire, please proceed. Sen. Gataya, what are you doing? I have given you a chance to read your Statement, yet you are just walking majestically greeting people like you are in a political rally.

[(Sen. Gataya Mo Fire and Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale consulted loudly)]

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I am getting some disruption from my good friend, Sen. Boni.

Thank you. That is the end of the Statement session. Next Order, Clerk.

Next Order.

Hon. Senators, since we have the numbers for Division, we can run through them as soon as possible, but we can first ring the Quorum Bell for three minutes. Serjeant-at-Arms, you can proceed to ring the Bell.

[(The Division Bell was rung)]

Sorry. Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Bell for three more minutes. Hon. Senators, if you learn to respect the Chair, then you will have no problem. Hon. Senators, we are now ready for the Division. So, if you confirm that we have the numbers again, I request that the doors be closed and Bars drawn. Senate Majority Leader, are we set? Serjeant-at-Arms, can you make sure that all the doors are closed…

[(The Division Bell was rung)]

[(The Bars were drawn and doors closed)]

Hon. Senators, we have several Divisions, so you must be patient. I want to put the Question on the first Division. I now put the Question, that the Senate adopts the Report of the Select Committee on Delegated Legislation on its consideration of the Environmental Management and Coordination (Strategic and Integrated Environmental Assessments and Environmental Audits) (No. 2) Regulations, 2025, L…

Sen. Godfrey Ososti and Sen. Joyce Korir, you must be assisted. Kindly approach the Dispatch Box. Hon. Senators, I want to give the results of the Division. You do not need to cross. Sen. Ososti, can you go to the Bar and now cross?

[(Sen. Osotsi and Sen. Korir proceeded to the Dispatch Box and voted)]

[(Sen. Osotsi walked across the Chamber)]

[(Sen. Osotsi walked to the Bar and bowed to the Chair)]

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[(Laughter)]

(Strategic and intergrated environmental assessments and environmental audits) (No.2) Regulations, 2025, Legal Notice No.71 of 2025 pursuant to Section 18 of the Statutory Instruments Act, the Senate resolves to annul the Environmental Management and Coordination (Strategic and intergrated Environmental Assessment and Environmental Audits) (No.2) Regulations, 2025, Legal Notice No.71 of 2025 put…

Hon. Senators, the results of the Division are as follows-

Let us move to the next Division. Hon. Senators, cast your vote. Sen. (Dr.) Oburu, Sen. Mwaruma and Sen. Joyce Korir, approach the Dispatch Box.

[(Question proposed)]

[(Voting in progress)]

[(Sen. (Dr.) Oburu, Sen. Mwaruma and Sen. Korir proceeded to the Dispatch Box and voted)]

[(Loud consultation)]

Hon. Senators, I want you to listen to the directions from the Chair. If you do not listen, you are dishonourable.

Hon. Senators, the results of the Division are as follows-

Hon. Senators, the results of the Division are as follows-

Hon. Senators, I now put the question that Clauses 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 11, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 21, 22, 23, 24, 26, 27 and Clause 2 be amended as proposed. You may now vote. We have 30 seconds.

Sen. Korir, Bomet County; Sen. (Dr.) Lelegwe Ltumbetsi, Samburu County; Sen. Maanzo, Makueni County; Sen. Mandago, Uasin Gishu County; Sen. Mariam Omar, Mandera County; Sen. Mbugua, Nyandarua County; Sen. Mungatana, MGH, Tana River County; Sen. Munyi Mundigi, Embu County; Sen. Murgor, West Pokot County; Sen. Mwaruma, Taita Taveta County; Sen. (Dr.) Oburu Oginga, Siaya County; Sen. Oketch Gicheru, …

The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Mumma): On clauses with amendments, the results are as follows-

On clauses with amendments, the results are as follows-

(Question, that Clause 2 be amended as proposed, put and the Senate proceeded to vote by County Delegations) AYES: Sen. Cherarkey, Nandi County; Sen. Cheruiyot, Kericho County; Sen. Chesang, Trans Nzoia County; Sen. Crystal Asige, Mombasa County; Sen. Dullo, Isiolo County; Sen. Githuku, Lamu County; Sen. Kathuri, Meru County; Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, Kakamega County; Sen. Kathuri, Meru County; Sen. Ki…

AYES: Sen. Cherarkey, Nandi County; Sen. Cheruiyot, Kericho County; Sen. Chesang, Trans Nzoia County; Sen. Crystal Asige, Mombasa County; Sen. Dullo, Isiolo County; Sen. Githuku, Lamu County; Sen. Joe Nyutu, Murang’a County; Sen. Kathuri, Meru County; Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, Kakamega County; Sen. Kisang, Elgeyo Marakwet County; Sen. Korir, Bomet County; Sen. (Dr.) Lelegwe Ltumbetsi, Samburu County; S…

County; Sen. Osotsi, Vihiga County; Sen. Sifuna, Nairobi City County; Sen. (Prof.) Tom Odhiambo Ojienda SC, Kisumu County and, Sen. Wafula, Bungoma County.

The Temporary Chairperson (

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move that the Committee reports to the Senate its consideration of the Early Childhood Education (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bills No.54 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments. The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Mumma) : Hon. Senators, we are now moving to reporting on the Local Content Bill (Senate Bills No.50 of 2023) .

[(Question proposed)]

[(Question put and agreed to)]

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move that the Committee reports to the Senate its consideration of the Local Content Bill (Senate Bills No.50 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments.

[(Question proposed)]

[(Question put and agreed to)]

The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Mumma): Hon. Senators, we are now moving to reporting on the Street Vendors (Protection of Livelihood) Bill (Senate Bills No.41 of 2023).

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move that the Committee reports to the Senate its consideration of the Street Vendors Bill (Senate Bills No.41 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments. The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Mumma) : Hon. Senators, I am requesting that you do not leave the Chambers. We are going into Third Reading Divisions and we will require all of you. Serjeant-at-A…

[(Protection of Livelihood)]

[(Question proposed)]

[(Question put and agreed to)]

[(The Bars were drawn)]

[(The House resumed)]

[[The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) in the Chair]]

Hon. Senators, I now call upon the Chairperson to report on The Creative Economy Support Bill (Senate Bills No. 30 of 2024) .

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move that the Committee reports to the Senate its consideration of the Early Childhood Education (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bills No.54 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) The Temporary Chairperson (

Mover.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee on the said report. I request Sen. (Dr.) Lelegwe to second.

The Temporary Chairperson (

Hon. Senators, we are now moving to reporting on the Street Vendors (Protection of Livelihood) Bill (Senate Bills No.41 of 2023).

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move that the Committee reports to the Senate its consideration of the Street Vendors (Protection of Livelihood) Bill (Senate Bills No.41 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) The Temporary Chairperson (

We will go to division later. Let us report on the next one. The Business Laws (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bills No.51 of 2024) . Proceed, Chairperson.

[[The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) in the Chair]]

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered the Business Laws (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bills No.51 of 2024) , and its approval thereof without amendments.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered The Creative Economy Support Bill (Senate Bills No.30 of 2024) , and its approval thereof, with amendments.

Mover.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee on the said report. I request Sen. (Dr.) Lelegwe to second.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I second.

[(Question proposed)]

[(Question put and agreed to)]

Mover.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I second.

[(Question proposed)]

Division will be at the end. Next is The Early Childhood Education (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bills No. 54 of 2023) Proceed, Chairperson.

We will go to division later. Let us report on the next one. The Business Laws (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bills No.51 of 2024) . Proceed, Chairperson.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered the Business Laws (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bills No.51 of 2024) , and its approval thereof without amendments.

Mover.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the report. I request the Senator for Kisumu, Prof. Ojienda, to second.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I second.

Yes, Sen. Ojienda is in order, you know, this week voices are changing, no problem.

[(Question proposed)]

[(Question put and agreed to)]

Mover.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that The Business Laws (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bills No. 51 of 2024) , be now read a Third Time. I request the Senator for Kisumu to second.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I second.

[(Question proposed)]

Division will be at the end. Next is The Early Childhood Education (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bills No. 54 of 2023) Proceed, Chairperson.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered The Local Content Bill (Senate Bills No.50 of 2023) , and its approval thereof with amendments.

Mover.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I ask Hon. Maanzo to second.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I second.

[(Question proposed)]

[(Question put and agreed to)]

I request Sen. Joyce Korir to second.

I second.

[(Question proposed)]

[(Question put and agreed to)]

Mover.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that The Early Childhood Education (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bills No.54 of 2023) , be now read a Third Time. I request Sen. Joyce Korir to second.

I second.

[(Question proposed)]

Division will be done later. The next one is The Local Content Bill (Senate Bills No.50 of 2023) . Proceed, Chairperson.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I second.

[(Question proposed)]

[(Question put and agreed to)]

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the Street Vendors Bill (Senate Bills No.41 of 2023) be now read a Third Time. I request Sen. Mariam to second.

[(Protection of Livelihood)]

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I second.

[(Question proposed)]

Division will be shortly.

Hon. Senators, proceed to vote on the Business Law (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bills No. 51 of 2024) . Proceed to vote. We are now on the Early Childhood Education (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bills No. 54 of 2023) . Proceed and vote. Hon. Senators, we are now on the Local Content Bill (Senate Bills No. 50 of 2023) . Proceed to vote. Sen. Cherarkey and Sen. Omtatah, proceed to vote. Let us kindly h…

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[(Protection of Livelihood)]

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[(Sen. (Dr.) Lelegwe Ltumbesi and Sen. Dullo approached the Chair)]

Hon. Senators, these are the results of the divisions. We will start with the Creative Economy Support Bill (Senate Bills No. 30 of 2024) .

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I second.

[(Question proposed)]

(Question, that the Creative Economy Support Bill (Senate Bills No.30 of 2024) be now read a Third Time, put and the Senate proceeded to vote by County Delegations) AYES: Sen. Cherarkey, Nandi County; Sen. Cheruiyot, Kericho County; Sen. Chesang, Trans Nzoia County; Sen. Crystal Asige, Mombasa County; Sen. Dullo, Isiolo County; Sen. Githuku, Lamu County; Sen. Kathuri, Meru County; Sen. (Dr.) Khalw…

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I request Sen. Mariam to second.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I second.

[(Question proposed)]

[(Question put and agreed to)]

Sen. (Dr.) Lelegwe Ltumbesi, Samburu County; Sen. Maanzo, Makueni County; Sen. Mandago, Uasin Gishu County; Sen. Mariam Omar, Mandera County; Sen. Mbugua, Nyandarua County; Sen. Munyi Mundigi, Embu County; Sen. Mungatana, Tana River County; Sen. Murgor, West Pokot County; Sen. Mwaruma, Taita Taveta County; Sen. (Dr.) Oburu, Siaya County; Sen. Oketch Gicheru, Migori County; Sen. Okiya Omtatah, Busi…

Division will be shortly.

Hon. Senators, proceed to vote on the Business Law (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bills No. 51 of 2024) . Proceed to vote. We are now on the Early Childhood Education (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bills No. 54 of 2023) . Proceed and vote. Hon. Senators, we are now on the Local Content Bill (Senate Bills No. 50 of 2023) . Proceed to vote. Sen. Cherarkey and Sen. Omtatah, proceed to vote. Let us kindly h…

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[(Protection of Livelihood)]

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[(Sen. (Dr.) Lelegwe Ltumbesi and Sen. Dullo approached the Chair)]

Hon. Senators, these are the results of the divisions. We will start with the Creative Economy Support Bill (Senate Bills No. 30 of 2024) .

NOES: Nil. ABSENTION: Nil

Hon. Senators, the results of the Division are as follows-

Hon. Senators, the results of the Division are as follows-

Serjeant-At-Arms, open the Doors and withdraw the Bars.

[(The Bars were drawn and doors opened)]

Hon. Senators, the results of the Division are as follows-

Hon. Senators, the results of the Division are as follows-

Appointments (Parliamentary Approval) Act, the Senate approves the appointment of Mr. Pius Ang’asa, as a member of the Board of Central Bank of Kenya. Thank you.

Serjeant-At-Arms, open the Doors and withdraw the Bars.

[(The Bars were drawn and doors opened)]

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, approach the Chair.

Madam Temporary Speaker, it has been emphasised by the Senate Majority Whip, who is an excellent and committed Member of the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget, together with other Members, certainly being led by Sen. Ali Roba. This Committee has been very vibrant in terms of doing the work and the necessary vetting to make sure that the Central Bank of Kenya gets an addition to its members…

[[The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Mumma) in the Chair]]

Thank you Madam Temporary Speaker. I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the Senate today, 7th August, 2025, being- The Report of the Joint Sitting of the National Assembly, Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning, and the Senate Standing Committee on Finance and Budget, on the approval of hearing for Mr. Pius Ang’asa, the nominee for appointment to the position of Boar…

[(Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale laid the document on the Table)]

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, please give Notice of Motion.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to give Notice of the following Motion- THAT, the Senate adopts the Joint Report of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning of the National Assembly and the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget of the Senate on the approval hearing of Mr. Pius Ang’asa, nominee for appointment to the Board of the Central Bank of Kenya, laid on the Table of the…

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I thought this was a Report of the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget. Under Article 10 of the Constitution of Kenya, 2010, we must ensure that the face of Kenya is---

Sen. Oketch, what is your point of order?

[(Interruption of debate on Motion)]

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I beg to move- THAT, the Senate adopts the Joint Report of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning of the National Assembly and the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget of the Senate on the approval hearing of Mr. Pius Ang’asa, nominee for appointment to the Board of the Central Bank of Kenya, laid on the Table of the Senate on Thursday, …

Madam Temporary Speaker, it has been emphasised by the Senate Majority Whip, who is an excellent and committed Member of the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget, together with other Members, certainly being led by Sen. Ali Roba. This Committee has been very vibrant in terms of doing the work and the necessary vetting to make sure that the Central Bank of Kenya gets an addition to its members…

Sen. Cherarkey, you have the Floor.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker----

A Member who has spoken on the Motion cannot draw the attention of Chair to that point of order.

[(Loud consultations)]

[(Loud consultations)]

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I cannot challenge the decision of the Chair. However, we are about to make a very dangerous precedent. It is on the strength of Standing Order No.1 (2) that the Senator for Migori County should never have risen on a point of order to call for lack of quorum because we are--- Madam Temporary Speaker, I just want the record to reflect that, that decision is vaca…

[(Hon. Senators spoke off record)]

Hon. Senators, I will now put the question. Next Order. Hon. Senators, pursuant to Standing Order No.45, I wish to reorganise the Order Paper. We move to Order No.24.

[(Question put and agreed to)]

Madam Temporary Speaker, of course, I certainly would not want to interfere with the Senator for Nandi County. However, I am just surprised that this House was full a few minutes ago and now--- Under Standing Order No.41, there is no quorum. This is a very serious matter that affects the Central Bank of Kenya. I wish that Members could have proceeded to talk about it. I rise under Standing Order …

Mover, proceed.

Madam Temporary Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order No.146 (1) of the Senate Standing Orders, I beg to move that The Office of the County Attorney (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bills No.47 of 2024) be now read a Second Time. The Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations has prepared amendments to the Bill, which incorporate the views of the public. In accordanc…

[(Applause)]

We are cognisant of the fact and it has been in this House that a lot of money has been channeled through county governments to pay external advocates and law firms for litigation or arbitration. This is in situations where a county could have engaged qualified in-house legal experts to offer advice, represent the county, and defend its interests. You can imagine a scenario where a new governor co…

A Member who has spoken on the Motion cannot draw the attention of Chair to that point of order.

[(Loud consultations)]

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, I am advised there is no such Standing Order, though there is a practise on what you are saying. Hon. Members, the bell is already ringing. Let us see whether we can mobilise to have 15 Members in the House. We now have quorum. Senators, please, take your seats. Hon. Senators, in view of the importance of this matter, I want to beg for a consensus that each Senator be given …

[(Several Senators walked into the Chamber)]

[(Resumption of debate on Motion)]

[(Loud consultations)]

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I cannot challenge the decision of the Chair. However, we are about to make a very dangerous precedent. It is on the strength of Standing Order No.1 (2) that the Senator for Migori County should never have risen on a point of order to call for lack of quorum because we are--- Madam Temporary Speaker, I just want the record to reflect that, that decision is vaca…

[(Hon. Senators spoke off record)]

Hon. Senators, I will now put the question. Next Order. Hon. Senators, pursuant to Standing Order No.45, I wish to reorganise the Order Paper. We move to Order No.24.

[(Question put and agreed to)]

Mover, proceed.

Madam Temporary Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order No.146 (1) of the Senate Standing Orders, I beg to move that The Office of the County Attorney (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bills No.47 of 2024) be now read a Second Time. The Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations has prepared amendments to the Bill, which incorporate the views of the public. In accordanc…

We are cognisant of the fact and it has been in this House that a lot of money has been channeled through county governments to pay external advocates and law firms for litigation or arbitration. This is in situations where a county could have engaged qualified in-house legal experts to offer advice, represent the county, and defend its interests. You can imagine a scenario where a new governor co…

Proceed, Sen. Cherarkey.

Madam Temporary Speaker, as I rise to second, I must say that I have some reservations concerning the amendments brought by my brother, Sen. Wakoli. I say this as the midwife of the Office of the County Attorney Act currently in place. It behoves all of us to consider this carefully. I agree with these amendments that have been brought. Madam Temporary Speaker, on these amendments that have been …

changed because I have to look at the report by the Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations where Sen. Wakoli, the Mover of the Motion and know the thinking of the Committee. Madam Temporary Speaker, the thinking then was that we needed to incorporate young advocates. The argument was that if you found an advocate who had practiced for more than 10 years, then they had their money…

to attend the Jukwaa la Usalama function which is not recognised by law. He did not recognise the Committee of Information, Communication and Technology. The Jukwaa la Usalama has been changed to Jukwaa la Siasa. He is using it to prop himself as the kingpin of an area that I do not know of. We need people who respect the work of Parliament. We need people who will tremble with fear when they are…

Madam Temporary Speaker, I wanted to contribute on this very important Bill, but I will only make two statements because of time and the fact that I have to move the next Motion on adjournment Whereas I support the improvement of the County Attorney's Bill, we should be careful with some of the proposed amendments. It is unfair to lock out young lawyers and start looking for experience of 10 year…

successful because of whatever limitations in capacity are the ones who will go to the counties. I would love that we review that proposal. The second proposal is tying the tenure of the county attorney to the governor. A county attorney is a professional. He is not like the cooks, drivers and bodyguards who are supposed to leave with the governor when his tenure is over. It would be nice to lea…

I do not see other requests. The Mover may therefore reply.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for this opportunity. I have heard the remarks of my colleagues with regard to the tenure of office and age bracket. There is no malice with age. The wise people say even idiots grow old and even the sage say, with time, people grow wiser. Therefore, it is good and important for us to look at how the Office of the County Attorney and Solicitor in the 47 counties…

You cannot say you do not eat meat, but you take its soup. So, it is important as we adjudicate this matter, we critically and analytically look at it and ensure that we have a Bill that fits to ensure that county governments are legally and constitutionally run so that devolution is protected and loved by Kenyans. Madam Temporary Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order No.66(3), I request us to defe…

Your request is agreed to.

[(Putting of the question on the Bill deferred)]