Senate · Afternoon Sitting

Clerk, do we have quorum? Clerk, now that we have quorum, proceed to call the first Order.

[(The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Chair)]

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I take this opportunity on behalf of the Senate of the Republic of Kenya to welcome the visiting delegation from the Parliament of Malawi who are here on a study tour. This is a continued tradition of great relations between the nations of Kenya and Malawi, which is growing deeper. We are integrating on many aspects; not only in our democratic practices, but even in o…

Sen. Madzayo. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I enjoin myself with you to welcome the delegation from Malawi, being led by my brother Kondwani. He is the Leader of the Opposition there. I have had a word with him and we had lunch together. They are here for purposes of learning and knowing how Kenyans do their parliamentary duties. I am glad that he has co…

Next order, Clerk. The Hon. Sen. Andrew Omtatah.

Next order, Clerk. The Hon. Sen. Andrew Omtatah.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to give notice of the following Motion- THAT, pursuant to Standing Order No.37, the Senate do now adjourn to discuss a definite matter of urgent national importance, namely-

Hon. Senators, I am satisfied that the threshold as demanded by Standing Order No.35 has been met. I, therefore, nominate 5.30 p.m. as the time when this Motion shall be moved. Next Order. I had called the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Trade, Industrialization and Tourism or any other Member of the Committee to lay the Paper. Sen. (Dr.) Lelegwe, are you a Member of that Committee?

Yes, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Proceed.

Proceed.

Next Order, Clerk. Statements pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) . Hon. Agnes Kavindu.

Next Order, Clerk. Statements pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) . Hon. Agnes Kavindu.

Proceed, Sen. Tabitha Keroche.

Proceed, Sen. Tabitha Keroche.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, thank you for giving me this opportunity.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No. 53 (1) to seek a statement from the Standing Order Committee on Labour and Social Welfare regarding claims of improper handling of human resource operations of the Kisii County by the Kisii County Public Service Board (PSB) . In this statement -

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have a second statement on the alleged alteration of the county executive budget by the Kisii County Government. I rise in pursuant to Standing Order No. 53 (1) to seek a statement from the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget regarding claims of the illegal alteration by the Kisii County Government of the budget for the county executive. Mr. Speaker, Sir, as I speak, Kis…

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant of Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Health regarding the management and operations of the Kisii Teaching and Referral Hospital (KTRH) . The operations of KTRH seem to be having a problem. In the statement -

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I stand here pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Labour and Social Welfare regarding labour matters flagged out in the 2023 audit of the management of human resource of Kisii County.

Sen. (Prof) Ojienda? Is any Senator holding brief for the good professor?

Senate Majority Leader, I know you are doing a very good job, but please do not interrupt the flow of work in the Senate. Proceed, Sen. Tabitha.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No. 53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget concerning stalled projects and the allocation of development funds in the 2023/2024 budget for Nakuru County. In the statement, the committee should-

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No. 53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget concerning stalled projects and the allocation of development funds in the 2023/2024 budget for Nakuru County. In the statement, the committee should-

Sen. Lelegwe?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No. 53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Land, Environment and Natural Resources concerning the impending compulsory acquisition of part of the land under LR No. Samburu/East Waso/1, which is owned by the Losesia Community group ranch in Samburu County for use by the Ministry of Interior and National Administration as per the…

Hon. Senators, I will rearrange the sequence of today’s Order Paper. Instead of proceeding with Order No.7 (b) , we will go to Order No.8, and maybe thereafter, we will have restricted comments on the Statements that have been made before we allow the normal flow of today’s Order Paper. Clerk, just call the Orders that are due for Division.

[(The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Speaker)]

Hon. Senators, I will rearrange the sequence of today’s Order Paper. Instead of proceeding with Order No.7 (b) , we will go to Order No.8, and maybe thereafter, we will have restricted comments on the Statements that have been made before we allow the normal flow of today’s Order Paper. Clerk, just call the Orders that are due for Division.

[(The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Speaker)]

Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly, ring the Division Bell for a further five minutes.

(Division) (Question put) Hon. Senators, you may now proceed to vote by way of Roll Call. Clerk, kindly proceed.

Hon. Senators, the results for this Division are as follows-

Hon. Members, the results for this Division are as follows-

(The Bill was read a Second Time and Committed to a Committee of the Whole tomorrow)

Hon. Members, the results for this Division are as follows-

(Question, that the Gambling Control Bill (National Assembly Bills No.70 of 2023), put and the Senate proceeded to vote by County Delegations) AYES: Sen. Abass, Wajir County; Sen. Abdul Haji, Garissa County; Sen. Cheptumo, Baringo County; Sen. Cheruiyot, Kericho County; Sen. Chesang, Trans Nzoia County; Sen. Chute, Marsabit County; Sen. Dullo, Isiolo County; Sen. Faki, Mombasa County; Sen. Joe Nyu…

Hon. Members, the results for this Division are as follows-

County; Sen. Joe Nyutu, Murang’a County; Sen. Kavindu Muthama, Machakos County; Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, Kakamega County; Sen. Kisang, Elgeyo Marakwet County; Sen. Kinyua, Laikipia County; Sen. (Dr.) Lelegwe Ltumbesi, Samburu County; Sen. Lomenen, Turkana County; Sen. Maanzo, Makueni County; Sen. Madzayo, Kilifi County; Sen. Methu, Nyandarua County; Sen. Mungatana, Tana River County; Sen. (Dr.) Murang…

Hon. Members, the results for this Division are as follows-

Hon. Senators, that brings us to the end of the Division on those five Bills. Serjeant-at-Arms, you may now proceed to open the door and withdraw the bar. Hon. Senators, we will move to Statements pursuant to Standing Order No.56 (1)

[(The Bars were drawn and the Doors opened)]

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I am being harassed by the Senate Majority Leader. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.56 (1) (b) of the Senate Standing Orders to make a Statement relating to the activities of the Standing Committee on Land, Environment and Natural Resources during the period between 1st January to 16th April,

Next is the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on National Cohesion, Equal Opportunity and Regional Integration.

Next is the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on National Cohesion, Equal Opportunity and Regional Integration.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.56 (1) (b) to make a statement on the activities of the Standing Committee on National Cohesion, Equal Opportunity and Regional Integration for the period commencing January to March, 2024. The Standing Committee on National Cohesion, Equal Opportunity and Regional Integration is established under Standing Order No.228 (1) of the Senate Stand…

The Chairperson, Standing Committee on National Security, Defense and Foreign Relations, you may have the Floor.

The Chairperson, Standing Committee on National Security, Defense and Foreign Relations, you may have the Floor.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise on behalf of the Chairperson, pursuant to Standing Order No.56 (1) (b) to make a statement on the activities of the Standing Committee on National Security, Defence and Foreign Relations for the period commencing 1st January to 19th April, 2024. Mr. Speaker Sir, during the period under review, the committee held a total of 10 sittings, considered one legislative proposal,…

Sen. (Prof) Tom Ojienda, having explained yourself, you may now proceed to read your statements.

Hon. Senators, there is a Communication from the Chair. In the Public Gallery, we have 30 Pathfinders from the Seventh Day Adventist Church in Syokimau East, Machakos County, who are undertaking a one-day study tour in the Senate. Hon. Senators, in our usual tradition of receiving and welcoming visitors to Parliament, I extend a warm welcome to them. On behalf of the Senate and my own behalf, I …

Thank you, Senator. Next Order. Sen. Gloria, I do not have any information about comments. Approach the Chair. Very well Senators. We are going to take comments on the Statements. I will only allow two comments. We will start with, Sen. Gloria.

[(Sen. Orwoba consulted with the Chair and the Clerks-at-the-Table)]

[(Resumption of debate on Statements)]

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I would like to comment on Sen. Onyonka’s Statements. He had three statements that touched on the Kisii County and its operations. In one of the statements, Sen. Onyonka highlighted issues on the Human Resource (HR) of Kisii County. In his statement, he gave a list of about 40 plus employees, most of them being chief officers from the previous governments th…

One moment, Sen. Gloria.

One moment, Sen. Gloria.

Gloria, I hope you are guided.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I am well guided. However, I am also guided by the same Standing Orders that we have on this Floor; that I can contribute and add my voice to a statement that has been read. I come from Kisii County and I am sure that Sen. Faki does not come from Kisii County. As I comment and contribute, if Sen. Faki is in that committee, these are some of the things he should take to…

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I am well guided. However, I am also guided by the same Standing Orders that we have on this Floor; that I can contribute and add my voice to a statement that has been read. I come from Kisii County and I am sure that Sen. Faki does not come from Kisii County. As I comment and contribute, if Sen. Faki is in that committee, these are some of the things he should take to…

Sen. (Dr.) Oburu Oginga of Siaya.

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I will comment briefly on the statement sought by the Senator for Machakos County, Madam Agnes

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I will comment briefly on the statement sought by the Senator for Machakos County, Madam Agnes

Thank you, Senator.

Thank you, Senator.

Hon. Senators, for the convenience of the House, we will reorganise the Order Paper. We move to the Motion by Sen. Mwinyihaji, Order No.21. Next Order.

Bw. Spika wa Muda, nilikuwa nimeandika taarifa ndogo iweze kunisaidia kuchangia kwa Hoja hii, lakini kuna mambo utaniruhusu kuongea kwa lugha ya Kiingereza ndio iweze kueleweka. Mtanieleza inafaa kuwa nini kwa lugha ya Kiswahili. Wakati wowote tunapotenga pesa za Wakenya, public funds, ni lazima tuzingatie vitu viwili. Wazungu wanaviita, cost benefit analysis na long-term sustainability. Hilo ndi…

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Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale), endelea.

Asante, Bw. Spika wa Muda. Naomba kuchangia Hoja hii. Kabla sijatoa maoni yangu, namshukuru ndugu yangu, Sen. Faki na aliyemuunga mkono, Sen. Madzayo. Haya maneno ya Mombasa Stadium sio ya kufanyia mchezo. Ujenzi wa uwanja huo ulianza kabla tupate Uhuru katika nchi yetu ya Kenya. Ni jambo la kusikitisha sana kuwa successive governments zimekataa kufadhili ili kuboresha uwanja huu wa kitaifa. Bw.…

wa chama cha Azimio la Umoja-One Kenya Coalition ambaye alikuwa Gavana wa Mombasa akiwa amebeba kitita cha shilingi milioni mia tano.

Alisema hundi.

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Sen. Wambua, hoja yako ya nidhamu ni ipi?

Bw. Spika wa Muda, nashukuru kwa kunipa nafasi kusimama kwenye hoja la nidhamu. Nimemsikia Seneta wa Kakamega akidai kuwa alimuona kinara

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, subiri kidogo kwa sababu kuna hoja nyingine ya nidhamu.

Nyingine tena? Mnataka kunimaliza!

Maseneta wenzangu, mruhusu aseme hoja yake ya nidhamu.

Maseneta, nadhani Sen. (Dr.)

Bw. Spika wa Muda, naomba wenzangu wanisikize. Endapo mtu ana maoni tofauti, anisahihishe katika mchango wake. Kulingana na sheria za Bunge hili, kuna uhuru wa kuzungumza. Ikiwa tutaua uhuru wa kuzungumza, basi tutaogopa kusema ni nani anayeiba mbolea wakati huu. Wacha niwaambie, mkiua uhuru wa kuzungumza katika Bunge hili---

Kuniradhi, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale.

Bw. Spika wa Muda, nimekusikiza ulipokuwa ukitoa mwelekeo wako. Kabla Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale aseme ikiwa atakuja kueleza au la, nafikiri ni vyema mimi pamoja na Naibu Mwenyekiti wa Kamati ya Uhasibu wa Pesa za Umma, almaarufu, County Public Accounts Committee (CPAC) , tueleze jinsi Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale alivyosema.

Maseneta, nadhani Sen. (Dr.)

Bw. Spika wa Muda, naomba wenzangu wanisikize. Endapo mtu ana maoni tofauti, anisahihishe katika mchango wake. Kulingana na sheria za Bunge hili, kuna uhuru wa kuzungumza. Ikiwa tutaua uhuru wa kuzungumza, basi tutaogopa kusema ni nani anayeiba mbolea wakati huu. Wacha niwaambie, mkiua uhuru wa kuzungumza katika Bunge hili---

Kuniradhi, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale.

Bw. Spika wa Muda, nimekusikiza ulipokuwa ukitoa mwelekeo wako. Kabla Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale aseme ikiwa atakuja kueleza au la, nafikiri ni vyema mimi pamoja na Naibu Mwenyekiti wa Kamati ya Uhasibu wa Pesa za Umma, almaarufu, County Public Accounts Committee (CPAC) , tueleze jinsi Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale alivyosema.

Nimekubali

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Niko kwenye hoja ya nidhamu. Niruhusu niendelee ili ubaini ikiwa ni maelezo au hoja ya nidhamu.

Ni hoja ya nidhamu. Kiongozi wa Wachache, Jaji mstaafu, Sen. Madzayo, aliyatumia maneno haya haya kwamba ni sawa maneno haya yathibitishwe. Hicho ndicho nilitaka kueleza kwenye hoja yangu ya nidhamu. Basi ningependa kumfahamisha, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale.

Nimekubali

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Nataka kumueleza----

Seneta, tutaendelea na Hoja hii baadaye. Kuna maelekezo ya kwamba, ikifika saa kumi na moja unusu, Sen. Kavindu ana Hoja ya kusoma katika hii Seneti. Sen. Kavindu, nafasi ni yako sasa.

Sen. Cherarkey, hoja yako ya nidhamu ni gani?

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Lately, we have experienced extremely heavy downpours of rains in various parts of our country. This rainfall ---

Senator, you need to move the Motion exactly as it appears on your paper. You have 10 minutes to move your Motion.

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I beg to move the following Motion- THAT pursuant to Standing Order No. 37, the Senate do now adjourn to discuss a definite matter of urgent national importance namely - the delay of the release of the disaster management funds to flood victims arising from the prevailing heavy rains and subsequent flooding in many parts of the country. Thank you. Now, I mov…

Just hold on. Proceed, Sen. Kavindu.

[(The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Chair)]