National Assembly · Morning Sitting

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT the House adopts the third Report of the Select Committee on National Cohesion and Equal Opportunity on employment diversity audit in public institutions laid on the table of the House on Wednesday, 30th April 2025. Thank you.

Thank you. Next Order.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move the following Procedural Motion: THAT this House resolves to exempt the business appearing as Orders No. 9,11,13, and 14 in today's Order Paper from the provisions of Standing Order

40(3), being a Wednesday morning, a day allocated for business not sponsored by the majority or minority party or business sponsored by a committee. Hon. Deputy Speaker, it is clear from the Order Paper that businesses at Orders No. 9, 11, 13 and 14 do not fall under provisions of Standing Order 40(3). Today being a Wednesday morning, business is reserved for Private Members’ Motions and Bills. Th…

Hon. Muge.

: Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to second.

[(Nandi County, UDA)]

Thank you.

[(Question proposed)]

Put the Question!

Okay, it is the mood of the House that I should put the Question.

[(Question put and agreed to)]

Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I beg to move that the Social Protection Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 12 of 2025) be now read a Third Time. I also ask the Hon. Member of Kwanza to second.

Give Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi the microphone.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I second.

[(Question proposed)]

May I proceed?

Yes.

I will give you a chance, Hon. Nyikal.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I really appreciate that we at long last have the Social Protection Bill in place. We must decide on which Ministry or authority to implement it. This is not the first time we are having a Bill on social protection. The late governor of Bomet County put forth one that passed. Nothing ever worked. We have many uncoordinated social protection programmes going on. I …

Hon. Members, may I now put the Question?

Yes. Hon. Millie Odhiambo, I was expecting you to say something. No. The ‘ayes’ have it. I will just give her a chance because I know she has been very passionate about this.

[(Question put and agreed to)]

[(The Bill was accordingly read a Third Time and passed)]

[(A Member spoke off record)]

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker, for indulging me on this issue. Indeed, I did not speak because I had spoken to it at Second Reading. I know we very passionately worked on this Bill with the late Hon. Joyce Laboso. I even agree with Hon. (Dr) Nyikal that it is a good thing that this Bill has passed. We hope that the Government will implement it this time, at least in honour of the late Hon. Joyce…

Thank you, Hon. Millie Odhiambo. It would not have been proper for the Bill to pass without you saying something because I know you have been the one who has done the heavy lifting on this Bill. Next Order.

(National Assembly Bill No. 50 of 2024).

Thank you, Hon. Members.

We can now go back to Order No. 7 that is Questions and Statements. Let us go to Statements. Members who have Requests of Statements include the Member of Lungalunga, Hon. Mangale. Are you present? Okay, the Member is not present. We shall proceed to the next one. Member of Subukia, Hon. Gachobe?

[(Request for Statement deferred)]

Pursuant to Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security regarding the murder of Ms Wanjiru Ng’ang’a Mutonga alias Shiru and the increasing insecurity in Subukia Constituency. On 18th April 2025, Ms Wanjiru Nganga Mutonga alias Shiru, a young mechanical engineering student aged 20 years was…

Hon. Tongoyo of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security is not here. Is there any Member of the Committee to give a commitment on behalf of the Committee? Yes, Hon. DK Kiplagat. We need a commitment. Let the Whip of the Majority Party give the commitment then I will get to yours.

[(Hon. David Kiplagat stood in his place)]

[(Hon. David Kiplagat spoke off the record)]

Much obliged, Hon. Deputy Speaker. You are all aware that we are proceeding on recess for a month. I can only commit two weeks after the recess.

Thank you. The next request for a Statement is from Hon. David Kiplagat, the Member for Soy Constituency.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I am sorry for that confusion. The Whip was causing a lot of confusion. I thought I was to read my Statement.

[(Laughter)]

The Chairperson of Departmental Committee on Education, Hon. Melly. Member for Tinderet, would you like to say something? Okay, let me give Hon. Muge a chance.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I would like to make a comment. Of course, I thank Hon. DK for his very good request for a Statement from the Chairperson of Departmental Committee on Education. I have noted with concern that the TSC sub-county offices do not have the data that Hon. DK is asking for. We cannot be in a country where we have trained teachers registered by the TSC and when we ask for…

Thank you. The response from the Chairperson. Hon. Kamuren, do you want to say something? I will give one more person before I let you respond as the Chairperson. Hon. Cherorot.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. The good thing is that Hon. Kamuren comes from Baringo and I come from Kericho. Our fathers certainly were confined to those areas. I want to support what Hon. DK has raised. This matter should not be confined only to Uasin Gishu or Soy. It is a national issue affecting all teachers, especially those who are above 45 years old. TSC must make sure that teachers who …

Hon. DK, do you want to have a second go? I will just exercise my discretion and allow him to contribute. Hon. DK.

[(An Hon. Member spoke off record)]

Hon. Charles Kamuren (Baringo South, UDA): Hon. Deputy Speaker, Mheshimiwa Cherorot has mentioned something in passing. This Statement is for the whole country. It is not only for Uasin Gishu. I was giving emphasis on what I was saying because I come from Uasin Gishu, so that in case other data are not available, we are considered as Uasin Gishu. That said, this is a national issue that needs to b…

Thank you. That is the clarification I wanted you to give. Hon. Melly, Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Education.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I want to thank the Hon. Member for raising this issue. The Departmental Committee on Education has been seized of this matter several times. A number of teachers, because of the 45 years rule, have failed to be employed. Three years ago, the Committee met and discussed the issue and we made it clear that a teacher needs to be employed even if he has two years befor…

Thank you. We can move to the next request for a Statement by the Hon. Tom Mboya, the Member for Nyatike. Is he present? Okay, give him the microphone.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (C) , I wish to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Energy regarding the state of the infrastructure of Kenya Power within Nyatike Constituency and its impact on power supply in the area. The electricity transmission and distribution infrastructure in Nyatike is currently …

Thank you. Can we have an undertaking from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Energy or a representative of the Committee? Is the Leader of Majority Party available to undertake on behalf of the Committee? Who is available? Yes, Hon. Gikaria, you are here. Proceed. We need your undertaking on this request.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Due to the sensitivity of the matter, we request for two weeks after recess. Thank you.

Hon. Members, we shall go back to Request for Statement No.1 that was supposed to be given by Hon. Mangale, Member for Lunga. He is now in the House. Could you proceed?

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Pursuant to Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request for a statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security regarding the status of construction of Lungalunga Sub-county Headquarters. The establishment of Lungalunga Sub-county was initiated in 2012, with the construction of its headquarters commencing in Lunga…

[[The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Gladys Boss) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) took the Chair]]

Hon. Temporary Speaker, it is against this background that I request for a statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security

Is that also to be committed on by the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Energy? It is the Chairperson of Administration and Internal Security Committee. Can we have any Member of the Committee making an undertaking? Yes, address the matter on behalf of the Committee.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Since we are proceeding for recess, the response will be available two weeks after we come back. Thank you.

Two weeks, unless the Member has something else to say. Hon. Chiforomodo, two weeks?

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Since the response needs a lot of research to get to know where the project has reached, the contract period and all that, two weeks after recess is fine. Thank you.

Two weeks it shall be. Request for Statement No.5 on the Order Paper by Hon. Amina Mnyazi is deferred until the Member comes to the House or in the future.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me an opportunity to make a request for statement. Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I request for a statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Housing, Urban Planning and Public Works regarding the stalled construction of Olenguruone Stadium. The construction of Olenguruone Stadium commenced in 2012.

Hon. Tunoi, you are not audible.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, the construction of Olenguruone Stadium commenced in 2012 under the national government through the Ministry of Public Works, Housing and Urban Development. However, more than a decade later, the project remains incomplete. This prolonged delay in the construction has not only denied residents access to vital public sporting facilities but also exposed the site to degradati…

This continued inaction undermines the principles of good governance, especially accountability and transparency, as enshrined in Article 10(2)(c) and Article 232(1)(e) of the Constitution, which require public officials to act in a manner that promotes efficient service delivery. Moreover, with the reported transfer of the project to the County Government of Nakuru, it is imperative to clarify wh…

Is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Housing, Urban Planning and Public Works present? The Vice-Chairman, Hon. Rindikiri, please; commit.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I have listened to the request for the Statement by Hon. Tonui. Since we are proceeding on the one- month recess, I promise that within two weeks of resumption, we shall deliver the report.

Hon. Tonui.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I am satisfied with the two weeks.

Thank you. Two weeks it is. Let us have the request for Statement by Hon. Cynthia Muge.

Next is Hon. Victor Koech, Member for Chepalungu. Proceed and put the request for your statement.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request for a statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Tourism and Wildlife regarding the serious human-wildlife conflicts currently being experienced in parts of Chepalungu Constituency. On 18th March 2025, the late Kelvin Kipkemoi Ng’etich who is the son of Mr Paul Ruto tragically …

frequently attacking and killing people and livestock such as goats and sheep, and destroying crops. These losses have devastated livelihoods, undermined community security, and severely affected the socio-economic well-being of residents. Further, residents around Chemeng’wa, Kinyang’a, Lugumek, Kobolwo, Kosia, Nogirwet, Kapkulumben, Chebelion, Kaboson, Kamosiro, Kamongil, Kaptumo, and their env…

We have another Request of

Yes. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Tourism and Wildlife regarding an incident of human-wildlife conflict in Chepkilot Village in Aldai Constituency. There has been an increase in incidents of human-wildlife conflict in the Aldai Constituency. Notably, …

There is not much interest here. It is a very straightforward Request of Statement. Yes, Kitur, do you have something to add?

Yes, Hon. Temporary Speaker. It is just to enrich the questions asked. Especially by the Member of Parliament of Chepalungu, Hon. Victor Koech. First, condolences on the loss of that young man. I feel that we need to know if there is any service level agreement and a turnaround time. The station in the region is barely two kilometres away yet they were unable to respond. Why do we have a station …

You have already made your point. We just want to listen to the Chairperson of the Committee giving an undertaking. The Deputy Majority Whip, Hon. Naomi Waqo, will give an undertaking on both Requests of Statements if the Chairperson is not in. The matters by the Member for Chepalungu and Hon. Keitany should be responded to because they are very similar.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I will make sure that I pass the message to the Chairperson of the Committee. Members will get responses two weeks after recess. Thank you.

Thank you. Yes, Member for Chepalungu. I am hesitating to call you by your nickname. Did you say you are called Mandazi?

Yes, Mandazi is my name. I was not happy that we were eating groundnuts here. So, I wished we were eating mandazi.

Do you want me to address you as mandazi? Proceed.

Yes, thank you. I am making a request. I will write to the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Tourism and Wildlife to appear as a friend to the Committee when the Committee calls the Director-General, together with the Principal Secretary or any personnel from KWS, to respond to this request for Statement. I would wish for your direction that I be allowed to attend as a friend.

Hon. Deputy Chief Whip of the Majority Party, do you think you can take that responsibility to create a rendezvous between the Hon. Member seeking the Statement, the Principal Secretary and people involved?

Yes. Let me liaise with the Chairperson and then we will revert.

Thank you. There is a Statement by the Chairperson of the Committee on Parliamentary Broadcasting and Library. We will defer it to the afternoon.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. The Committee has a Statement which was sent by the Principal Secretary for Energy. I know Hon. Oundo is around.

The first question was on the regulatory framework under which KUDURA Power East Africa Limited is operating, generating and supplying power in Western Kenya. The response is as follows: KUDURA Power East Africa Limited is duly incorporated in the Republic of Kenya as a wholly owned subsidiary of RVE.SOL, a Portuguese company. KUDURA is a social enterprise focused on providing decentralised rene…

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I am responding to a request for statement by Hon. Amb. Sigei. Before I go to the specifics, new KCC has been modernising its old milk processing facilities under the Government of Kenya financing from the year 2015 to date. The facilities had old obsolete machinery replaced with modern and efficient machinery. The following factories have had a number of their …

THAT, taking into consideration the findings of the Joint Committee of the National Assembly Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning and the Senate Standing Committee on Finance and Budget on the

approval hearing of nominees for appointment as members of the Board of Central Bank of Kenya, laid on the Table of the House on Tuesday, 29th April 2025, and pursuant to Section 11(2) of the Central Bank of Kenya Act, Cap 491, this House approves the appointment of the following nominees as members of the Board of Central Bank of Kenya –

CPA Ruto.

Thank you so much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. As I rise to second, I also want to confirm, as one of the Members of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning that joined with the Standing Committee of Finance and Budgeting of the Senate, that indeed, we established that the candidates who were nominated for this particular position had the requisite experience and knowledge of what …

I will not put the Question, Hon. Kaluma.

I will give a chance to Hon. Rahim Dawood, the Member for North Imenti. Hon. Members, you can make brief comments.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I will just need a minute. I support the list by the Committee on Finance. I want to advise the incoming directors on the threshold on banks which has been removed so that new banks can be done. We need to put all the banks together so that we do not get too many banks consolidating and we need to reduce the amount from Ksh10 billion to figure less than that. Wit…

The Member for Chuka/Igambang'ombe, Hon. Patrick Ntwiga. Hon. Patrick Ntwiga (Chuka/Igambang'ombe, UDA) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Mine will be brief. As we approve these names, I wish that Members would take their rightful position. Kenya has turned into a country that literally hawks loans. Kenyans have been vanquished by people peddling loans with logbooks and title deeds as collater…

On a point of order.

What is out of order, Hon. Kaluma?

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I rise under the relevant provisions of the Standing Orders to ask whether it would be right for the Mover to be called upon to reply. The Mover gave very detailed information and the Report of the Committee is conclusive. I have been listening to Members and we are repeating the same points. Nothing new is coming up. For the sake of pending business, could the Mover be cal…

Hon. Members, I would like to find out from you whether it is the mood of the House that we call upon the Mover to reply. Mover. With all due respect, Hon. Shabbir--- Unfortunately, Hon. Kuria Kimani, you cannot donate your time. It is the same rule as applying emergency brakes. Please proceed, Mover.

[(Question, that the Mover be now called upon to reply, put and agreed to)]

[(Hon. Shakeel Shabbir spoke off record)]

Hon. Temporary Speaker, all the board directors who have been following this debate have heard the concerns raised by Members. Therefore, it is up to them to do their best to ensure that the CBK is respected, authoritative, innovative, technology-driven, and has an interest in all the issues raised in this House. With those few remarks, I beg to reply.

Hon. Members, I will not put the Question. The putting of the Question will be done at a time when the business is next scheduled for consideration by the House Business Committee. Next Order. Let us have Hon. Kaluma before we make a decision on the Committee of the whole House.

[(Putting of the Question deferred)]

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.131 to request that the matter under Order No.12 be stepped down for future consideration. I have consulted with the Mover of the Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill (National Assembly Bill No.61 of 2022) , Hon. Millie Odhiambo, who is also the Chief Whip of the Minority Party, together with the Chairperson of the Department…

Hon. Millie Odhiambo is also in the House. I will give her one minute to contribute. I will also give one minute to the Chairperson of the Committee. Let us start with the Chairperson of the Committee and then the Chief Whip of the Minority Party.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. We have indeed consulted on this matter. This is an extremely complex Bill, which has undergone a winnowing process. However, many clauses still need further agreement on so that consideration of the Bill will be easier when we come back. We will be referring to almost three different documents. If the Mover and proposer of the Bill is of the same opinion and has…

Chief Whip of the Minority Party, Hon. Millie Odhiambo, proceed. I know you are not only speaking as the Whip, but you have a lot of interest in this subject. Hon. Millie Odhiambo–Mabona : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I am actually the Mover of the Bill. We have discussed and made progress outside the Floor. We have agreed that during the period of recess, we harmonise the process that we …

[(Suba North, ODM)]

Thank you very much, Hon. Members. Having listened to the Chairman of the Committee and also Hon. Kaluma and the Mover of the Bill, Hon. Millie Odhiambo, I now step-down Order No. 12.

[(Committee of the whole House deferred)]