National Assembly · Afternoon Sitting

Tuesday, 15 April 2025

Session Summary

The sitting featured procedural debates, including the stepping down of Order No. 17 and concerns over the correct departmental committee for the Treaty Making and Ratification (Amendment) Bill. Hon. Kuria Kimani moved a special motion to approve several Principal Secretaries, highlighting their experience and the need for transparency, efficiency, and alignment with international best practices. Members also referenced constitutional provisions and the impact of tax policies on local manufacturing and employment. Members debated an amendment to the Estate Agents Registration Act to raise penalties for unregistered agents and curb money‑laundering activities. The discussion focused on whether fines should be expressed as a maximum or minimum amount, with concerns about Kenya’s FATF grey‑list status and the need for judicial discretion. The amendment was ultimately moved forward and agreed upon. Members debated Kenya’s participation in the Inter‑Parliamentary Union, urging a permanent delegation and praising first‑term MPs’ contributions, while the Speaker welcomed visiting students and teachers. Hon. Peter Shake highlighted the Nyariyo‑Yakididi community’s land rights under the Community Land Act. The session was largely constructive with procedural interjections.

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Hon. Speaker

Hon. Members, we have a quorum to transact business. Clerk-at-the- Table, please, proceed.

[(Loud consultations)]

Bowen David Kangongo
Hon. Kangogo Bowen (Marakwet East, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. The concern we all share this afternoon is the National Government Constituency Development Fund (NG- CDF) . Last week, you communicated and informed us that the Cabinet Secretary for the National Treasury and Economic Planning would appear before us regarding the NG-CDF. We have fewer than ten days before schools re-open and pupils return to school without bursaries. Many…

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Thank you, Hon. Bowen. You are preaching to the converted. Last week, the Cabinet Secretary for the National Treasury and Economic Planning was summoned to this House to address the NG-CDF issue. The Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriations Committee, the Leader of the Majority Party, and the Leader of the Minority Party are all aware. We have just concluded a House Business Committee meeting.…

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Therefore, I encourage you not to disrupt the House business, as doing so would be a zero-sum game. Whether we sit today or not, the Cabinet Secretary will still appear tomorrow. He will do what we have instructed him to do. Let us remain better focused and, as the British say, let us not be penny-wise and pound-foolish; let us be penny-wise and pound-wise. Shall we proceed with the business?

[(Loud consultations)]

Makali Benson Mulu
Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM)Wiper Democratic Movement - Kenya

Hon. Speaker, thank you very much for your wise counsel. However, we are concerned that this particular Cabinet Secretary has communicated with this House several times through you. We are very concerned as Members of Parliament, especially since we had hoped that the situation would improve with one of our own in that position. Unfortunately, it appears to be getting worse. I have served in this…

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Yes, Hon. KJ.

John Kiarie Waweru
Hon. John Kiarie (Dagoretti South, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

Hon. Speaker, this matter concerns what I believe is the most effective decentralised Fund. We are reading news about a governor from a neighbouring county whose residence, Ksh13 million, has been discovered. Meanwhile, NG- CDF is being framed as a national concern. This House’s focus should be on the devolved funds that are allocated to the counties. We are speaking at a time when the NG-CDF is …

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Hon. Korere.

Sarah Paulata Korere

Thank you, Hon. Speaker, for your guidance and confirming that the Cabinet Secretary will appear before this House tomorrow. We speak passionately about NG-CDF because it is a textbook example of true devolution. In our counties, the impact of NG-CDF is easy to see with the naked eye, which is not the case for other funds. I want the Cabinet Secretary to take this seriously. Now that you have ass…

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Order, Hon. Members! Member for Bumula, the Cabinet Secretary is appearing tomorrow. I shall not give you the Floor. It was your point of order that led the Speaker to summon him. As a diligent young parliamentarian, the right thing to do is to wait. The Cabinet Secretary will be here, and since you initiated the matter, you will be the first to pose a question after his statement.

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There is no need to pre-emptively debate what we shall discuss tomorrow. I encourage you to have faith. Whenever the NG-CDF has been threatened, I have stood at the forefront to defend it without fear, favour, or prejudice. When disbursements have been delayed, I have personally contacted the Treasury to ensure the release of funds, and I shall continue to do so. When activists challenged the NG-C…

[(Loud consultations)]

Farah Maalim
Hon. Farah Maalim (Dadaab, WDM)Wiper Democratic Movement - Kenya

Absolutely. Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Considering what Hon. KJ has raised, NG-CDF is merely a trigger point. The deeper issue is the broader problem with devolved funds across counties in this country. We have a serious problem with the devolved funds in the counties. Billions of Kenyan shillings are going to waste in those places. Hon. Speaker, I am educating 100 medical students in key instituti…

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Hon. DK.

David Kiplagat
Hon. David Kiplagat (Soy, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. We know well that this National Assembly is under attack from all quarters. We have problems with NG-CDF and the Roads Maintenance Levy Fund (RMLF) . As we discuss now about NG-CDF, KeRRA has only released around Ksh17 million out of Ksh62 million. We have letters flying left, right, and centre on what happens to the rest. We have so many issues that we cannot continue bu…

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Yes!

David Kiplagat
Hon. David Kiplagat (Soy, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

When the two cabinet secretaries for Roads and Transport and National Treasury and Economic Planning come, they will explain what is happening to the Members of Parliament. If you look at the devolved funds, 85 per cent is used for recurrent and administrative purposes out of the total that goes to the counties. In contrast, only 5 per cent of the NG-CDF is used for administrative purposes. The ne…

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You have made your point. Yes, Hon. Keynan.

Keynan Wehliye Adan

Hon. Speaker, I want my colleagues to listen to me. The NG-CDF did not come out of the blues. It was a product of well-calculated evaluation by the Members who were there and tired of manipulation by the then Executive. You are aware

Keynan Wehliye Adan

that even Parliament was a department under the Office of the President. Our Clerk of the National Assembly and everyone else were secondees from the dreaded Special Branch and the Criminal Investigations Department (CID). What we did was to give Members of Parliament an effective, workable, people-friendly platform to deliver development to their constituents. Over the years, we have seen a gradu…

[(Applause)]

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Yes!

[(Loud consultations)]

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Order, Hon. Members. Hon. Chikati.

John Murumba Chikati
Hon. John Chikati (Tongaren, FORD-K)Forum for Restoration of Democracy - Kenya

Thank you, Hon. Speaker.

[(Loud consultations)]

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Order.

John Murumba Chikati
Hon. John Chikati (Tongaren, FORD-K)Forum for Restoration of Democracy - Kenya

From what my colleagues Hon. DK and Hon. Keynan have presented, and given the mood of the House, I kindly request you to direct the suspension of the proceedings until tomorrow. Thank you.

[(Loud consultations)]

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Order. Order, Hon. Members. Take your seats! Hon. Members, take your seats!

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Hon. Members

Put the Question.

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There is no matter before the House to put the question.

[(Laughter)]

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Hon. Members, I want to encourage you. This is your House, and you are the nerve centre of everything in this country. You appropriate, oversee, legislate, and represent. You have the power in your hands. I encourage you that it will be a very unwise decision to do what some of us are asking you to do. For the simple reason….

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No!

[(Loud consultation)]

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Order. Order, Hon. Members. I am your Speaker. You elected me. I have a duty to lead and advise you. Is that Hon. Kimilu or Hon. Mwalyo who is looking very agitated? Hon. Kimilu, unajua, kuna kitabu kiliandikwa na Mwalimu Nyerere. Fisi alikuwa anakunywa maji mtoni, na kondoo pia alikuwa anakunywa maji kwenye huo mto. Fisi alikuwa anakunywa kule maji yanatoka, ilhali kondoo alikua anakunywa kule ch…

[(Hon. Adan Keynan spoke off the record)]

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If you agree with your Speaker, we can go on with the business of the House. Those of you who are not keen to carry on with the business of the House, do not disrupt the House. Let those who want to go on with business continue. Let me now give the Leader of the Majority Party an opportunity to tell us about the issue of NG-CDF.

[(Loud consultations)]

Anthony Kimani Ichung'wah
Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. As you rightly said, this is a matter that we have discussed at the House Business Committee. As the Member for Bumula said last week in his Point of Order, NG-CDF is not money going to Members of Parliament. Members of Parliament are elected by their people to represent them in this House. Part of that representation is to advocate for resources to go, especially to vulne…

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Hon. Junet.

[(Loud consultations)]

Junet Sheikh Nuh Mohamed
Hon. Junet Mohamed (Suna East, ODM)Orange Democratic Movement

Hon. Speaker, I first appreciate the guidance you have given the House. The NG-CDF has a lot of enemies for no apparent reason. Many people are fighting it because they do not have the correct information about it. County

Junet Sheikh Nuh Mohamed
Hon. Junet Mohamed (Suna East, ODM)Orange Democratic Movement

governments and devolution have been in existence in this country for more than 10 years. It is now imperative for Kenyans to take stock of what has happened through devolution since its inception in 2013. The NG-CDF projects have the least administrative expenditure, unlike county governments, which spend all their money on recurrent expenditure. This Fund goes directly to schools, children who w…

[(Loud consultations)]

[(Loud consultations)]

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Order, Hon. Members! Members, on their feet, take your seats. Hon. DK, take your seat. If it is the message, it has been heard loud and clear that Members of this House are not happy, first with the continued assault on the National Government Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF) . Second, Members are unhappy with the delays in disbursement of NG-CDF and are demanding answers on the cause. The…

[(Hon. Charles Nguna consulted loudly)]

[(Laughter)]

[(Applause)]

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Hon. Samwel Chepkonga, protest on the streets, not in the Chamber.

Shake Mbogho Peter

Yes, Hon. Speaker.

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Go ahead.

Shake Mbogho Peter

Hon. Speaker, I, the undersigned, on behalf of Nyariyo-Yakididi Chabat Beta Culture Community in Taita Taveta Constituency, Taita Taveta County, draw the attention of the House to the following: THAT, the Nyariyo-Yakididi Chabat Beta Culture Community is a registered and recognised community group from Taita Taveta Constituency registered under the Community Land Act and the Community Land Regula…

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Thank you, Hon. Mbogho. Yes, Hon. Mwashako.

Danson Mwashako Mwakuwona
Hon. Danson Mwashako (Wundanyi, WDM)Wiper Democratic Movement - Kenya

Ahsante sana, Mheshimiwa Spika. Hili ni suala nyeti na zito. Kwa miaka mingi, shirika la KWS limeendelea kuongeza mipaka yake na kuwasukuma wananchi kule Taita Taveta. Kando na sehemu hii ambayo Mhe. Bwire ameleta hapa Bungeni, kuna sehemu nyingi ambapo kuna utata na KWS. Ombi langu kwako na kamati itakayofanya kazi hii ni kuwa walizingatie ombi hilo kwa haraka ili mipaka ya KWS

Danson Mwashako Mwakuwona
Hon. Danson Mwashako (Wundanyi, WDM)Wiper Democratic Movement - Kenya

ionekane. Kwa hivyo, wananchi ama watu wa Taita/Taveta wapewe nafasi ya kuchukua sehemu zilizokuwa zao wakati wa mababu zetu. Mheshimiwa Spika, nakushukuru sana kwa swala hili; maanake najua mambo haya ya mashamba na mipaka yanagusia mambo ya usalama. Kwa mfano, Tsavo imefika Taveta na Voi. Mipaka ya Tsavo inasumbua mpaka kule Kishushe upande wa Wudanyi. Tsavo bado inasukuma wananchi sehemu za Mw…

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Asante sana. The Petition is committed to the Public Petitions Committee. They are obligated to bring a Report within 60 days. The Member for Chuka/Igambang’ombe, Hon. Patrick Munene.

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THAT, efforts to have their matters addressed by relevant authorities have been futile; and, THAT, the matter presented in this Petition is not pending before any court of law or any constitutional or legal body. Therefore, your humble Petitioners pray that the National Assembly, through the Public Petitions Committee:

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Hon. George Murugara.

George Gitonga Murugara
Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

Thank you very much for allowing me to support this timely Petition by Hon. Patrick Munene Ntwiga of Chuka/ Igambang’ombe. As it has clearly explained, the colonialists did many injustices when they came to Kenya—one of them being lamping many communities together and naming them as one tribe—as a result of which communities almost lost their identity until they were recognised as separate and di…

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Thank you. I commit the Petition to the Public Petitions Committee to respond within 60 days. The next Order is by the Leader of the Majority Party. Hon. Karemba. What is it?

[(Hon. Muchangi Karemba spoke off the record)]

Karemba Eric Muchangi
Hon. Muchangi Karemba (Runyenjes, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

Sorry, Hon. Speaker. Hon. Murugara misled me.

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Hon. Speaker

Why would Hon. Murugara mislead you? Hon. Murugara, are you in the business of misleading your colleague?

George Gitonga Murugara
Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

Absolutely not. I have just told him that I have commented on the Petition. We have not reached the Statements, yet he wants to talk about them. I have, however, told him sorry, but he goes ahead and says I have misled him. I have not.

[(Laughter)]

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Go on, Leader of the Majority Party.

Anthony Kimani Ichung'wah
Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following papers on the Table:

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Member of Committee on Appointments, Leader of the Majority Party. You already did that? Did you start with that? Chairperson, Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure.

[(Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah spoke off the record)]

Komingoi Kibet Kirui
Hon. Kibet Komingoi (Bureti UDA)United Democratic Alliance

Hon. Speaker, on behalf of the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure, I beg to lay the following paper on the Table: Report of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure on the approval hearing of Mr Aden Abdi Millah for the appointment as Principal Secretary, State Department for Shipping and Maritime Affairs. Thank you, Hon. Speaker.

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Chairperson, Departmental Committee on Communication, Information and Innovation, Hon. Kiarie. I cannot see him. Chairperson, Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations. Major (Rtd) Abdullahi Sheikh : Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following papers on the Table: Report of the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations on the approval hear…

[(Mandera North, UDM)]

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Chairperson, Departmental Committee on Education, Hon. Melly.

Julius Kibiwot Melly
Hon. Julius Melly (Tinderet, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

Hon. Speaker. I shall be laying the paper shortly. It is not ready.

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The Chairperson, Departmental Committee on Regional Development. Hon. Lochakapong, go ahead.

Peter Lochakapong
Hon. Peter Lochakapong (Sigor, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

Hon. Speaker. I beg to lay the following paper on the Table: Report of the Departmental Committee on Regional Development on the approval hearing of Mr Michael Loikenu Lenasalon for the appointment as Principal Secretary, State Department for Devolution. Thank you, Hon. Speaker.

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Chairperson, Budget and Appropriations Committee.

Atandi Samuel Onunga
Hon. Samuel Atandi (Alego Usonga, ODM)Orange Democratic Movement

Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following paper on the Table: Report of the Budget and Appropriations Committee on its consideration of the County Governments Additional Allocations Bill (Senate Bill No.1 of 2025) .

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Go to the next Order.

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Hon. Donya, we have not yet reached the Statements. Chairperson,

Anthony Kimani Ichung'wah
Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Special Motion: THAT, taking into consideration the findings of the Committee on Appointments in its Fifth Report on the vetting of the nominees for appointment as Cabinet Secretaries laid on the table of the House on Tuesday, 15th April 2025, and pursuant to the provisions of Article 152 (2) of the Constitution and Sections 3 and 8 of the Publi…

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Chair, Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure.

Komingoi Kibet Kirui
Hon. Kibet Komingoi (Bureti UDA)United Democratic Alliance

Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Special Motion: THAT, taking into consideration the findings of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure in its Report on the approval hearing of a nominee for the appointment as Principal Secretary laid on the table of the House on Tuesday, 15th April 2025, and pursuant to the provisions of Article 155 (3) (b) of the Constitut…

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Chairperson Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations.

Sheikh Abdullahi Bashir

Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Special Motion: THAT, taking into consideration the findings of the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations in its report on the approval hearing of a nominee for appointment as Principal Secretary laid on the

Sheikh Abdullahi Bashir

Table of the House on Tuesday, 15th April 2025 and pursuant to the provisions of Article 155(3)(b) of the Constitution and Sections 3 and 8 of the Public Appointments (Parliamentary Approval) Act, Cap 7(f), this House approves the appointment of Dr Caroline Wanjiru Karugu as Principal Secretary, State Department of East African Community Affairs . Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Hon. Speaker, I have anot…

Sheikh Abdullahi Bashir

Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Special Motion: THAT, taking into consideration the findings of the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations in its Report on the approval hearing of four nominees for appointment as ambassador, permanent representative and consul general laid on the Table of the House on Tuesday, 15th April 2025 and pursuant to the …

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Chairperson, Departmental Committee on Education. First, go back to Order 5 and lay the document on the Table.

Julius Kibiwot Melly
Hon. Julius Melly (Tinderet, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following paper on the Table: Report of the Departmental Committee on Education on the approval hearing of Prof Abdulrazak Shaukat for appointment as Principal Secretary, State Department for Science, Research and Innovation.

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Thank you. Under Order 6, you can now give your notice of Motion. Hon. Melly.

Julius Kibiwot Melly
Hon. Julius Melly (Tinderet, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Special Motion:

Julius Kibiwot Melly
Hon. Julius Melly (Tinderet, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

THAT, taking into consideration the findings of the Departmental

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Thank you. The Chairperson, Departmental Committee on Regional Development.

Peter Lochakapong
Hon. Peter Lochakapong (Sigor, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, taking into consideration the findings of the Departmental

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Thank you. Hon. Members, before returning to Order 7 on Questions and Statements, let us dispose of Orders 8, 9 and 10. We will put Questions while we enjoy this phenomenal Quorum in the House. Go ahead, Clerk. Call out Order 8

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Order! Hon. Members, on their feet, take your seats. Mover, the Leader of the Majority Party

[(Question put and agreed to)]

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Third Reading

Anthony Kimani Ichung'wah
Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I beg to move that the Excise Duty (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 7 of 2025) be now read a Third Time. I want to request Hon. Betty Maina Erick to Second.

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Hon. Betty Maina Erick.

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Hon. Betty Maina (Murang’a County, UDA)

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I beg to Second the Motion and agree that I have adopted the name Erick. This Bill will lower the cost of electricity, and the people of Murang’a County, for example, Gatanga Constituency, will now be able to access power. I second.

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Hon. Speaker

I order all those excess materials to be deleted from the Hansard.

[(Laughter)]

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Hon. Members

Put the Question!

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Hon. Speaker

Hon. Members, I can confirm that we have a Quorum, and I now put the Question.

[(Question put and agreed to)]

[(The Bill was accordingly read a Third Time and passed)]

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Hon. Members, on their feet, take your seats. Commissioner Faith, take your seat. Hon. Members, I now put the Question to Order 9.

Caleb Amisi Luyai
Hon. Caleb Amisi (Saboti, ODM)Orange Democratic Movement

Hon. Speaker, I rise to request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security regarding the non-payment of dues to the National Police Reservists in Trans Nzoia County. Section 110 (3) of the National Police Service Act, CAP 84, provides that the National Police Service Reserve officers may be deployed within the country to aid in enforcing…

Caleb Amisi Luyai
Hon. Caleb Amisi (Saboti, ODM)Orange Democratic Movement

Currently, the Government owes the National Police Reservists who served in Trans Nzoia County approximately Ksh92,200,000, and there has been no official communication on the status of these payments. It is against this background that I request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security on the following:

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Thank you, Hon, Caleb. Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs? Hon. Raso, I am not seeing your Chairman. Can you bring a response in two weeks?

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That is in order.

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In two weeks, we will probably be gone for recess.

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Immediately after recess, Hon. Speaker.

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First Sitting after recess.

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Thank you, Hon. Speaker.

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Hon. Julius Taitumu, Member for Igembe North.

Taitamu Julius Manaiba

Hon. Speaker, I rise to request a statement from the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education regarding the promotion of teachers by the TSC. TSC advertised various promotion vacancies in the Financial Year 2024/2025. Subsequently, the Commission conducted interviews in January and February 2025, leading to the promotion of 25,252 teachers. While the TSC released a report on the outcom…

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Thank you. Chairman, Departmental Committee on Education. How much time do you need to respond to him?

Julius Kibiwot Melly
Hon. Julius Melly (Tinderet, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

We will want to expedite this because it is an important statement.

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In two weeks, we will be on recess.

Julius Kibiwot Melly
Hon. Julius Melly (Tinderet, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

I can have it in a week, but I wanted to get enough information. Hon. Speaker, just allow us two weeks because we want to desegregate it.

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Bring it on the first day of the Sitting after recess.

Julius Kibiwot Melly
Hon. Julius Melly (Tinderet, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

After the recess. Thank you.

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Hon. Joseph Lekuton, Member of Parliament for Laisamis Constituency.

Lekuton Joseph
Hon. Joseph Lekuton (Laisamis, UDM)United Democratic Movement

Hon. Speaker, Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request a statement from the Chairman of the Departmental

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Thank you, Hon. Lekuton. Hon. Joshua Kimilu?

Joshua Kivinda Kimilu
Hon. Joshua Kimilu (Kaiti, WDM)Wiper Democratic Movement - Kenya

Hon. Speaker, I wish to request for a statement from the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Social Protection, regarding a vacancy in the Office of Uwezo Fund in Kaiti Constituency. The position of Uwezo Fund Manager in Kaiti became vacant in 2019 following the demise of the then-fund manager. The Uwezo Fund Oversight Board has yet to fill the vacancy, leading to a backlog in disbursing fun…

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Thank you. Chair, Departmental Committee on Social Protection. Hon. Alice, how long do you need to bring a response?

Abdi Ali
Hon. Alice Ng’ang’a (Thika Town, UDA)National Agenda Party of Kenya

Hon. Speaker, after we are back from recess.

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Bring the response on the second day after recess. I did not give direction on the request by Hon. Joseph Lekuton. Hon. Aramat, can you bring a response by Thursday next week?

Lemanken Aramat
Hon. Lemanken Aramat (Narok East, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

Hon. Speaker, please give us two weeks after recess to bring a substantive report. The request is quite extensive, and it requires time to interrogate properly.

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You are going on recess for one month. Do you want to bring the statement two weeks after one month?

Lemanken Aramat
Hon. Lemanken Aramat (Narok East, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

No, immediately after recess.

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Okay. Yes, Hon. Lekuton.

Lekuton Joseph
Hon. Joseph Lekuton (Laisamis, UDM)United Democratic Movement

Hon. Speaker, I disagree with my good friend. The request is very clear. There are no shortcuts. KenGen knows what they are doing. It is only a matter of fact-checking. One week should be enough. Projects can start any time from now, and we want to be responsible so that community rights are respected.

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Hon. Aramat, bring a response on Thursday next week.

Lemanken Aramat
Hon. Lemanken Aramat (Narok East, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

Most obliged, Hon. Speaker.

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Hon. Karemba.

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Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, taking into consideration the findings of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs in its Report on the vetting of a nominee for appointment as Principal Secretary, State Department for National Government Coordination, laid on the Table of the House on Thursday, 10th April 2025, and pursuant to the provisi…

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari)

Thank you. Hon. Weytan, proceed.

Abdirahman Hussein Weytan Mohamed
Hon. Hussein Weytan (Mandera East, ODM)Orange Democratic Movement

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I can confirm that the nominee, Hon. Ahmed Abdisalan, demonstrated high professionalism, integrity, and skills for the job for which he has been nominated as Principal Secretary, State Department for National Government Coordination. He demonstrated the skills required for the position. Hon. Ahmed, the immediate former Member of Parliament for Wajir North and al…

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Hon. Members

Put the Question.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari)

Before I put the Question, it is only fair to give a chance to his Member of Parliament, Member for Wajir North.

Ibrahim Abdi Saney
Hon. Ibrahim Saney (Wajir North, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

Hon. Temporary Speaker, there is no better afternoon to be in this Parliament than today. There is no better Parliament to be than the 13th Parliament. Why am I saying this? The words of the Mover of this Motion, Hon. Raso, still echo that this is the first person from the Ajuran community to be appointed as a Principal Secretary, the first from Wajir North Constituency. That is history in the mak…

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Hon. Atandi.

Atandi Samuel Onunga
Hon. Samuel Atandi (Alego Usonga, ODM)Orange Democratic Movement

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I support this Motion. Hon. Abdisalan was with us in the last Parliament. He is a solid Member of Parliament.

[(Applause)]

Atandi Samuel Onunga
Hon. Samuel Atandi (Alego Usonga, ODM)Orange Democratic Movement

I take credit for being one of the first Members of Parliament to prod the President to consider embracing a broad-based approach to running the country's affairs. The President has done well, and we assure him that these appointments are not in vain. Members of the ODM Party in this country are taking note of these appointments. Wherever we are, we know that we are in the Government. We are parti…

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari)

Hon. Atandi, be careful because the Governor is not here.

Atandi Samuel Onunga
Hon. Samuel Atandi (Alego Usonga, ODM)Orange Democratic Movement

Hon. Temporary Speaker, in conclusion, I plead with our Members to realise that we have an opportunity to transform the country. President Ruto's appointment of ODM Members, especially the former Organising Secretary of the ODM Party, Hon. Abdisalan, who has been appointed Principal Secretary, will help the country solidify, stabilise, and prosper. It will be good for all citizens if our country p…

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Member for Moiben.

Bartoo Phyllis Jepkemoi
Hon. Phylis Bartoo (Moiben, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for also giving me the opportunity to add my voice to the appointment of the three nominees who have been presented by various committees. I thank President (Dr) William Samoei Ruto for seeing it fit to bring the country together and to open up the Government through a broad-based approach. That is why we are currently experiencing a first of firsts. My colleagu…

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari)

That Motion is already gone. We are now on the internal security.

Bartoo Phyllis Jepkemoi
Hon. Phylis Bartoo (Moiben, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

Thank you for the guidance.

Bartoo Phyllis Jepkemoi
Hon. Phylis Bartoo (Moiben, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

I was just tempted to talk about the National Government Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF) because somebody mentioned it this morning. I was sitting back, imagining how a whole former Speaker and Cabinet Secretary (CS) can talk about Members of Parliament embedding funds in the Constitution yet there is nowhere in that docket where a Member of Parliament signs. We do not play any role. We o…

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Hon. Members

Put the Question.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari)

Hon. Members, you have the final say. I will, therefore, put the Question that the Mover be called to reply. Mover.

[(Question, that the Mover, be now called upon to reply, put and agreed to)]

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Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. It was really the thing when Hon. Saney talked very passionately about the Ajuran and the people of the North. Inclusivity is the solution to Kenya's problems. We will marginalise others when we live in exclusivity. I must thank His Excellency the President and His Excellency the former Prime Minister because, for the first time, I think people have gon…

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari)

Next Order.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari)

The Chairperson, Departmental Committee on Social Protection, Hon. Ng’ang’a.

Abdi Ali
Hon. Alice Ng’ang’a (Thika Town, UDA)National Agenda Party of Kenya

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I beg to move the following Special Motion: THAT, taking into consideration the findings of the Departmental

Abdi Ali
Hon. Alice Ng’ang’a (Thika Town, UDA)National Agenda Party of Kenya

Higher Education Loans Board, and the Office of the Registrar of Political Parties – having obtained a clearance certificate to that effect. The nominee stated that she has a longstanding passion in matters concerning children and noted that children need protection, love, and care. If approved, she undertook to ensure that the rights of Kenyan children, as provided for in the Constitution, are p…

George Peter Opondo Kaluma
Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM)Orange Democratic Movement

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari)

Hon. Alice, there is a point of order. Hon. Kaluma, what is your point of order? Give Hon. Kaluma the right microphone. Use the next one. It has now disappeared.

George Peter Opondo Kaluma
Hon. Peter Kaluma (Homa Bay Town, ODM)Orange Democratic Movement

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I think, together with all the other Members, we have looked at a very detailed Report from the Departmental Committee on Social Protection, which discusses what they did during the vetting of these nominees. Would I be in order to propose for your direction that, looking at the time and the other business that we have to transact, and considering that we already have the …

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari)

Thank you, Hon. Kaluma. Hon. Alice, I think you are doing well, but could you hasten your presentation on Mr Fikirini?

Abdi Ali
Hon. Alice Ng’ang’a (Thika Town, UDA)National Agenda Party of Kenya

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Let me finish these important points, Hon. Kaluma. On drugs and substance abuse, the nominee acknowledged that the drugs abuse among the youths was a menace that was contributing to unproductivity among the youth. He proposed that if approved, he would implement a two-way approach combining preventive and rehabilitative measures. On rehabilitation, Mr Fikirini …

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari)

Hon. Alice, just for the record, it is the Children Welfare Services, not the Children Welfare Society.

Abdi Ali
Hon. Alice Ng’ang’a (Thika Town, UDA)National Agenda Party of Kenya

Children Welfare Services. Thank you.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari)

Thank you. Let us have Hon. Zamzam.

Mohamed Zamzam Chimba

Asante sana, Mhe. Spika wa Muda. Ningependa kumuunga mkono kwa haraka Mwenyekiti wangu, Hon. Alice Ng’ang’a. Siku ya Ijumaa tuliweza kuwahoji hawa wawili walioteuliwa, CPA Carren Achieng Ageng’o, ambaye ameteuliwa kusimamia Idara ya Ustawi wa Watoto; na Fikirini Jacobs, aliyependekezwa kama Katibu Mkuu katika Idara ya Masuala ya Vijana na Ustawi wa Uchumi Bunifu. Carren alionyesha weledi wa kuwez…

Mohamed Zamzam Chimba

masuala tofauti kama uchumi samawati. Hata hivyo, hawajapata mwanya wa kupata ajira wala mtu wa kuwaelekeza. Huyu kijana amefanya mabadiliko makubwa sana ndani ya Kaunti ya Kilifi. Wale vijana wa bodaboda, ambao siku zote wanachukuliwa kama watu wabaya, amewachukua na kuwaweka kwenye Savings and Credit Cooperative Organisation (SACCO). Akawaletea investors waliokuja na kuwapa mbinu za kuwekeza. K…

Mohamed Zamzam Chimba

Mhe. Spika wa Muda, nimekuwa na furaha sana, hata nikashindwa kumalizia. Nikimalizia, nataka niseme naunga mkono uteuzi wa wote wawili kutokana na Kamati ambayo mimi ni Member. Asante sana, Mhe. Spika wa Muda.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari)

Hon. Members, please take your time to look at the Standing Orders and get the proper Swahili statement for seconding. It is not “kuunga mkono” bali ni “kuafiki.” The first chance will go to Hon. Mayaka.

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Hon. Irene Mayaka (Nominated, ODM)

Shukrani sana Mhe. Spika wa Muda, kwa kunipa nafasi hii ili niweze kuchangia Hoja hii Maalum ya kuwaunga mkono walioteuliwa kama Principal Secretary, Bi. CPA Carren na Bw Fikirini. Nimeangalia ripoti ambayo tumepewa kutoka kwa Kamati hii kikamilifu, na nafurahi sana. Hata wakati ambapo walikuwa wanahojiwa, niliweza kuwatazama kwa runinga, na vijana hawa wawili waliweza kujieleza vizuri kabisa. Bi…

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Hon. Irene Mayaka (Nominated, ODM)

kuwa kijana yeyote anaweza kupata kazi kubwa kama hii. Bw. Fikirini ametoka huko Kilifi, na hakuna mtu ambaye angedhani yakuwa aliweza kuhitimu vile, lakini yeye mwenyewe alijieleza kinaga ubaga. Wenzangu na Wakenya wote tumeona kweli kabisa kuwa Serikali ya msingi mpana inaunga mkono sana watu ambao wamehitimu kufanya kazi. Mhe. Spika wa Muda, namshukuru sana Baba Raila Amolo Odinga kwa kutupa w…

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari)

Asante sana, Mhe. Mayaka.

Gertrude Mbeyu Mwanyanje

Asante, Mhe. Spika wa Muda. Nachukua fursa hii nikushukuru kwa kunipa nafasi hii. Pia, nashukuru Kamati ambayo imeongoza kukaguliwa kwa hawa wawili chini ya uongozi wa Mwenyekiti, Mhe. Alice Ng’ang’a. Namshukuru zaidi kwa sababu ya kuweza kunakili kwa utaratibu na uzoefu, na kueleza vizuri kuhusu hawa wateule wawili. Kutoka Kilifi, nataka kuzungumzia kuhusu kijana Fikirini Jacobs Katoi Kahindi, a…

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari)

Member for Kilifi County, please take your seat for a minute. Your time is still there. I will hold it. We will interrupt you because of our Standing Orders and give Hon. Waqo one minute to move a Procedural Motion.

Naomi Jillo Waqo
Hon. Naomi Waqo (Marsabit County, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move the following Procedural Motion: THAT, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 30 (3) (a) , this House orders that should the time appointed for adjournment of the House be reached before conclusion of

Naomi Jillo Waqo
Hon. Naomi Waqo (Marsabit County, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

business appearing as Order 15 in today’s Order Paper, the sitting of the House shall stand extended until the conclusion of the said business. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari)

Who is the seconder?

Naomi Jillo Waqo
Hon. Naomi Waqo (Marsabit County, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

I request Hon. Mutuse to second.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari)

Hon. Mutuse, proceed.

Eckomas Mwengi Mutuse

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I rise to second the Motion as moved by Hon. Naomi Waqo. As you notice in the Order Paper, there are very important issues that this House needs to consider this evening. Therefore, we are justified in extending the sitting time. Therefore, I second the Motion.

[(Question put and agreed to)]

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari)

Continue, Hon. Mbeyu. Give her the microphone.

Gertrude Mbeyu Mwanyanje

Ahsante, Mhe. Spika wa Muda. Nilikuwa nazungumzia kuhusu kijana Fikirini Jacobs Katoi Kahindi kutoka Ganze, Kilifi. Namshukuru Mhe. Rais William Samoei Ruto kwa kumteua katika Wizara ya Maswala ya Vijana na Uchumi Bunifu. Katika nguvu zake na umri wake wa miaka thelathini, kijana huyu ni kielelezo kizuri sana kwa vijana wenzake wanaotafuta kazi. Kwa hivyo, namshukuru Rais kwa kumteua kijana kutoka…

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari)

Hon. Members, I do not see much interest from Members in contributing to this Motion. Can I call the Mover to reply? Hon. Members, you have the final say. Mover.

[(Question, that the Mover be now called upon to reply, put and agreed to)]

Abdi Ali
Hon. Alice Ng’ang’a (Thika Town, UDA)National Agenda Party of Kenya

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I take this opportunity to thank His Excellency the President for giving us these very important people to serve in this Government, namely, CPA Carren as well as Mr Fikirini Jacobs.

Abdi Ali
Hon. Alice Ng’ang’a (Thika Town, UDA)National Agenda Party of Kenya

I also want to thank this House. If approved, we will have two very dedicated principal secretaries who will serve this country very well. I can assure this House that the two nominees are very dedicated. CPA Carren is very dedicated to serving the children of this nation. At the same time, Mr Fikirini is very dedicated to serving the youth of this nation. I know they will do a very good job. We w…

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari)

Thank you. We shall defer the putting of the question. Before we go to the next Order, allow me to indulge Hon. KJ, who has a Paper to lay and immediately give notice of Motion. Give the microphone to Hon. KJ.

[(Putting of the question deferred)]

John Kiarie Waweru
Hon. John Kiarie (Dagoretti South, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

Hon. Temporary Speaker, beg to lay the following Paper on the Table: Report of the Departmental Committee on Communication, Information and Innovation on the approval hearing of Mr Stephen Motari Isaboke for appointment as Principal Secretary in the State Department of Broadcasting and Telecommunication.

John Kiarie Waweru
Hon. John Kiarie (Dagoretti South, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, taking into consideration the findings of the Departmental Committee on Communication, Information and Innovation in its Report on the approval hearing of a nominee for appointment as Principal Secretary, State Department for Broadcasting and Telecommunications, laid on the Table of the House on Tuesday, 15th April 2025; …

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari)

Very well. Next Order.

George Gitonga Murugara
Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

Is that Clause 2? The Temporary Chairlady : It is Section 2.

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

George Gitonga Murugara
Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

Which one is Section 2? I have Clause 2. Let us get it right. Is it Clause 1? The Temporary Chairlady : No. It is Section 2. Hon. Shakeel, I hear you. Hon. Members, I know that we have to follow the procedure. If I am not wrong, Clause 1 will come at the end. We will start with the Schedule. Mover, proceed.

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

[(Hon. Shakeel Shabbir spoke off the record)]

George Gitonga Murugara
Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I beg to move: THAT, the Schedule to the Bill be amended—

Ahmed Shakeel Ahmed Shabbir

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. The proposed Section 2 is doing a very good thing because it has extended the regulatory scope of this very important Act. As we understand, mining operations have been the bane of illicit financial flows and have also greatly affected the economy of this country. Mining operations have put us back on the grey list of the financial market. Therefore, I …

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

[(Question, that the words to be left out be left out, put and agreed to)]

[(Question, that the words to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to)]

[(Schedule as amended agreed to)]

[(Sections 11, 12(6)]

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The Temporary Speaker

There is an amendment to Section 55A. Proceed and move it, Chair of Departmental Committee.

George Gitonga Murugara
Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

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Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move

THAT, the Schedule to the Bill be amended—

Ahmed Shakeel Ahmed Shabbir

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I support the amendment. This was causing a very big problem when we were dealing with the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) . Initially, this was called the Stolen Asset Recovery (StAR) initiative. I recall working in it in Panama over 12 years ago. This has now strengthened this particular thing and sorted out our problem. I recommend. The Temporary Chairlady : Thank…

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

[(Question, that the words to be left out be left out, put and agreed to)]

[(Question, that the words to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to)]

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

George Gitonga Murugara
Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

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Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move

THAT, the Schedule to the Bill be amended –

George Gitonga Murugara
Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the new amendment be read a Second Time. The justification is that we have to align the term limit of the Director-General of the Financial Reporting Centre with the term limit of heads of counterpart agencies such as the Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission, whose Secretary and Chief Executive Officer has a one six-year non-renewable term. The amendm…

[(Hon. Martha Wangari)]

[(Question, that the new section be read a Second Time, put and agreed to)]

[(New section read a Second time)]

[(Question, that new section be added to the Bill, proposed)]

[(Question, that the new section be added to the Bill, put and agreed to)]

George Gitonga Murugara
Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

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Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move

THAT, the Schedule to the Bill be amended –

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma)

The Chairperson to report to the House.

Martha Wangari Wanjira
Hon. Martha Wangari (Gilgil, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

Hon. Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole House has considered the Anti-Money Laundering and Combating of Terrorism Financing Laws (Amendment) Bill, (National Assembly Bill No. 5 of 2025) , and approved the same with amendments.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma)

The mover to move agreement with the Report.

Anthony Kimani Ichung'wah
Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)United Democratic Alliance

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I also request Hon. Rindikiri, the Member for Buuri, to second the Motion for agreement with the Report of the Committee of the whole House.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma)

Hon. Rindikiri, proceed.

Mugambi Murwithania Rindikiri

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I second this Motion. Before I sit down, this is a very important Bill. It is not only going to combat money laundering and terrorism, but also corruption. We have seen many governors putting up very big buildings, mansions, buying aircraft, and driving top-of-the-range vehicles. In the recent event, a governor was arrested with Ksh12 million in cash and some dol…

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma)

Is Hon. Makali Mulu in the House? Hon. Eckomas Mutuse, do you have something to say? I can see your request. Hon. Nabii Nabwera and Hon. Gertrude Mbeyu have stepped out on other state duties. Hon. Members, there being no more interest, the putting of the Question for the adoption of the Bill shall be done the next time this particular matter is shared.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma)

Hon. Members, let us be upstanding. The time being 7.34 p.m., the House stands adjourned until tomorrow, 16th April 2025 at